Parliament is on lockdown after gunshots were heard outside the Palace of Westminster.
Thomas__ wrote: » The London incident from yesterday has more in common with the Berlin attack from December last year. Just that the London attacker was running towards the MPs entrance to the Houses of Parliament. Killing as many innocent people first and than seek to make way into the political heart of the UK. That´s definitely ISIS like and not like the deed of an murdering American teenager.
Richard Hillman wrote: » My ****ing god. This is our fight. This fight has no borders or flags. It is a fight against an ideology that wants to wipe us out. An NO, we are no neutral. Where on earth did you get that from? We are not neutral from terror groups, we don't even pretend to be.
Depp wrote: » seachto7 wrote: » and for some reason people want to avoid saying this... Maajid Nawaz is one who does. Ayaan Hirsi Ali has also spoken out, and what do the left do? put them on a watchllist of ''top anti-islam extremists'' then worship at the feet of pro-sharia linda sarsour and her ilk
seachto7 wrote: » and for some reason people want to avoid saying this... Maajid Nawaz is one who does.
Depp wrote: » important watch for anyone who denies we have a problem with islam. again not saying ''ban all muslims'' im just say we have to stop hiding under the ''theyre all racist'' blanket and come out and actually have a fucking honest conversation.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I am talking about the motivation not the act. It was a violent act, like other violent acts. Disaffected people will attach themselves to causes, any cause. It is part of the condition. It gives them a reason for living, a point to it all, even if they die. Other disaffected people will take out the lives of others just for sake of it. Others still will end it all with a huge surge of adrenalin by jumping off a bridge or cliff.
Thomas__ wrote: » The thread is taking the direction I have anticipated to take by the like of posts like those two above. The least I can say to that is, that if there is to be any honest and frank debate about the threat from Islamism, at least the Muslims themselves should take part in it. Talk with them, not just about them.
Depp wrote: » definitely think this is true...bombing will only surpress radical islam and the only real way for it to be defeated completely is if it were to come from inside islam. That doesnt mean we can't be honest and come out and say there is a problem also if islam refuses to reform, surpressing isis is prefereable to doing nothing and allowing them to fester
seachto7 wrote: » On the other hand, Katie Hopkins was on Fox News, and on Niall Boylan yesterday. That sums up the sh*t the Americans have to lap up when it comes to international news.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Let's start with people's places of origin. Have the US, Britain and France been bombing the sh1t out of Israel, Poland, Ireland and India?
Depp wrote: » Thomas__ wrote: » The thread is taking the direction I have anticipated to take by the like of posts like those two above. The least I can say to that is, that if there is to be any honest and frank debate about the threat from Islamism, at least the Muslims themselves should take part in it. Talk with them, not just about them. Depp wrote: » definitely think this is true...bombing will only surpress radical islam and the only real way for it to be defeated completely is if it were to come from inside islam. That doesnt mean we can't be honest and come out and say there is a problem also if islam refuses to reform, surpressing isis is prefereable to doing nothing and allowing them to fester if you read the post that started that conversation you would see that I agree with this? but by virtue of being a non muslim does that take away my right to have a frank and honest conversation about islam?
donkeykong5 wrote: » Heard her on niall boylan show. She was execellent.
biko wrote: » Why do Syrians, Iraqis etc flee toward the bombing nations? Isn't that counterproductive? And Lee Rigby were killed by Nigerians Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale Britain haven't bombed Nigeria ever. And The bulk of the child rapists in Rotherham were Pakistani. The victims all white. Britain haven't bombed Pakstani ever. As long as apologists keep apologising and let hate preachers keep preaching we will only see more and more attacks on British soil. And once Irish lefties have orchestrated enough immigrants onto Irish soil attacks will happen here too. It's not an "if", but a "when"..
CoolHandBandit wrote: » Very honest woman who doesn't give a hoot about PC. We need more of her ilk.
Thomas__ wrote: » No. It is just that I have come across the same way of leading the argument as you did and it was always used by those who sooner or later turned out to be of far-right or right-wing mindset and the more they came up with their statements, the more it came to the fore which creed they are following themselves.
Depp wrote: » Thomas__ wrote: » No. It is just that I have come across the same way of leading the argument as you did and it was always used by those who sooner or later turned out to be of far-right or right-wing mindset and the more they came up with their statements, the more it came to the fore which creed they are following themselves. so because I have a right wing mindset I'm not allowed talk on the subject then?
biko wrote: » Why do Syrians, Iraqis etc flee toward the bombing nations? Isn't that counterproductive? And Lee Rigby were killed by Nigerians Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale Britain haven't bombed Nigeria ever. And The bulk of the child rapists in Rotherham were Pakistani. The victims all white. Britain haven't bombed Pakstani ever.
Thomas__ wrote: » That is not what I said, but as you´re admitting your right-wing mindset, one can easily assume what aspects for your way of argumentation you´ll bring up along the discussion. I have read and heard enough of that sort of arguments and they don´t have the best solution at all, cos they are as one-sided like their counterparts.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » And Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale were born in Britain. And The Rotherham "Pakistanis" were born in Britain.
Depp wrote: » so because I have a right wing mindset I'm not allowed talk on the subject then?
wes wrote: » Well, seeing as the right, have a terror problem of there own, with the likes of the attack in Canada, Norway, Germany ( which was ignored for years) (also more recent attacks on refugees as well) and the Brexit terrorist in the UK last year, multiple fire bombings of Mosques in the US, white supremacist attacks on Sikhs and African Americans in the US and that is just the stuff off the top of my head. Then, the complete denial in regards to it. I remember the thread on the Iranian white supremacist attacker, that suddenly died, once it was revealed he wasn't an Islamic extermist, but rather a Brevik fan boy. They don't really have a leg to stand on morally imho.
Depp wrote: » theres a big difference between being right wing politically and being a white supremacist though isnt there? same as theres a big difference between moderate muslims and extremist muslims. but yeah go make sweeping generalisations. Im right wing I must be a fuming hate filled racist right?
The Fake Sheikh wrote: » The hypocrisy is incredible.
Noddyholder wrote: » Don't think we would cope very well in any sort of attack... It is understood the man pulled the emergency brake causing the tram to stop suddenly, There were long delays for a time on the Red Line as a result of the incident, with many commuters posting their frustration on social media. From Rte link. Also imo an attack in Dublin be more from loyalists than isis at the present moment.
Depp wrote: » love how isis don't represent islam (which I agree with) but anders brevik etc. somehow represent the right wing! liberal logic :rolleyes:
wes wrote: » I never said you were, just that the right has a terror problem of there own, and imho aren't really morally in a position to judge the Muslim community or the left in regards to there response to terror, considering how poor the right has been in regards to terror, coming from within there own ranks. Basically, I don't see the right practice what they preach, when they lecture the left of Muslims on how they should handle terror.
seachto7 wrote: » But you are in a position to judge the muslim community?
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