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Attack outside UK Houses Of Parliament — No speculation — Read 1st post

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  • #1022
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Depp wrote: »
    my bad, Ireland has a catholic past. let the islamic terror continue!

    Who is condoning the terror???


  • #1023
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    snowflaker wrote: »
    What about NATO, or the UN?

    The CIA are at the root of everything.

    You ignored my Guardian link showing 25% of the Muslims in the UK want Sharia law and half of them think homosexuality should be illegal. Or the majority of Europeans being against Muslim immigration from terror regions. Second time you've brushed over such polls, but oh well.


  • #1024
    OttoPilot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 540 ✭✭✭OttoPilot


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Last night in Sweden was horrendous for many young woman and many young girls who will be mentally and physically scarred for life because of last night and tonight and tomorrow Night

    You know Sweden doesn't have anymore rape than other western countries. The difference is the report it and collect stats much more thoroughly than other countries.


  • #1025
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Ronaldinho wrote: »
    What changes do you suggest that the West makes to its foreign policy then?

    Well, that's not an easy question. A start would be to re-examine the principles underpinning the policies. For instance, how much should national self-interest take primacy over the rights of other nations to self-determination?


  • #1026
    John_D80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,539 ✭✭✭John_D80


    A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »
    You are aware the quoran and Bible(old testament) are pretty much the same. I have read about 15% of both and of what i've read it's the exact same pretty much.

    They are not the same at all. Even at a fundamental level they are hugely different.


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  • #1027
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Depp wrote: »
    we condemn them with the same fervour that we condomn islamic terrorists...this is the very definition of a strawman never once did I argue ''lets make them be christians instead'':confused::confused::confused:

    Since it isn't obvious, I'm just highlighting the absolute silliness of jumping on a Muslim hating bandwagon when we have zero idea who the attacker was.

    Still no confirmation by the BBC, however, the unarmed policeman that was killed has been named as Keith Palmer. News story here.

    See, this is what it looks like when you practice responsible posting online instead of spreading "fake news", especially when you spread the identity of an actor who not only wasn't involved, but is in jail.


  • #1028
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    snowflaker wrote: »
    Who is condoning the terror???

    any muslim that doesnt speak out condemning it.
    anyone denying islam has flaws.


  • #1029
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    The CIA are at the root of everything.

    You ignored my Guardian link showing 25% of the Muslims in the UK want Sharia law and half of them think homosexuality should be illegal. Second time you've brushed over such polls, but oh well.

    What do you want me to do with them? 38% of people in Ireland voted against marriage equality... but its the law! And we are protected by the UN Convention on Human rights. Opinion polls are just that- snapshots of opinions on any given time, and as Trump, and Brexit and other votes have shown, not terribly accurate


  • #1030
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Since it isn't obvious, I'm just highlighting the absolute silliness of jumping on a Muslim hating bandwagon when we have zero idea who the attacker was.

    Still no confirmation by the BBC, however, the unarmed policeman that was killed has been named as Keith Palmer. News story here.

    See, this is what it looks like when you practice responsible posting online instead of spreading "fake news", especially when you spread the identity of an actor who not only wasn't involved, but is in jail.

    The Guardian is fake news now eh.

    Throw the other one.


  • #1031
    Notavirus.exe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Notavirus.exe


    snowflaker wrote: »
    But you know it so well, so you an quote me the verses.

    I can tell you the anti gay bits in the bible...

    IKR? Look at all the dirty homos in Europe who are being put to death because the Bible says to!

    Wait, that's not HAPPENING here. That's happening in Muslims countries. Why are you attacking the teachings of Christianity, a religion that doesn't control Europe and why are you NOT attacking Islam for teaching more horrific punishments for homosexuals and Muslims for ACTUALLY KILLING HOMOSEXUALS.

    Christianity is not causing us any problems, Islam is.


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  • #1032
    SILVAMAN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭SILVAMAN


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    25% of the Muslims in the UK want Sharia law and half of them think homosexuality should be illegal.

    talk about being in denial- go to any Muslim country and the men doing their utmost to get off with you:confused:


  • #1033
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Depp wrote: »
    any muslim that doesnt speak out condemning it.
    anyone denying islam has flaws.

    So by that logic, a few posters here tonight, who are Irish and didn't speak out against the IRA are condoning terrorism as well.


  • #1034
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    snowflaker wrote: »
    People are entitled to practice their religion

    Never said otherwise, my own opinion on religion is that it's cancerous and frankly ridiculous. But that's just my opinion, which I'm entitled to. My point is you keep quoting the Bible anytime any one references a passage from the Koran. Why like?! It doesn't make the backwards sh*t in one fictional book anymore tolerable because another fictional book has something backwards in it too!


  • #1035
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    snowflaker wrote: »
    What do you want me to do with them? 38% of people in Ireland voted against marriage equality... but its the law! And we are protected by the UN Convention on Human rights. Opinion polls are just that- snapshots of opinions on any given time, and as Trump, and Brexit and other votes have shown, not terribly accurate

    Marriage equality is entirely different to wanting people prosecuted for being gay. It's caveman crap. The law passed in Ireland also. That 50% is compared to 5% of the general population wanting the same thing from the same poll.


  • #1036
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Since it isn't obvious, I'm just highlighting the absolute silliness of jumping on a Muslim hating bandwagon when we have zero idea who the attacker was.

    Still no confirmation by the BBC, however, the unarmed policeman that was killed has been named as Keith Palmer. News story here.

    See, this is what it looks like when you practice responsible posting online instead of spreading "fake news", especially when you spread the identity of an actor who not only wasn't involved, but is in jail.

    look you can bury your head all you like and cling to this ''the bbc havent confirmed it its not true'' fantasy all you like...im not here to trash all muslims like you seem to think i am, Im saying there are problematic and dangerous verses/teachings contained in the quran and to deny there are is completely dishonest and ignorant of facts


  • #1037
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Depp wrote: »
    any muslim that doesnt speak out condemning it.
    anyone denying islam has flaws.

    Who aren't condemning it?

    Perfection is impossible, everything has flaws


  • #1038
    Notavirus.exe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Notavirus.exe


    OttoPilot wrote: »
    You know Sweden doesn't have anymore rape than other western countries. The difference is the report it and collect stats much more thoroughly than other countries.

    That might be true, but the rapes in Sweden have increased by over 1200% ever since Islam moved in.


  • #1039
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Marriage equality is entirely different to wanting people prosecuted for being gay. It's caveman crap. The law passed in Ireland also. That 50% is compared to 5% of the general population wanting the same thing from the same poll.

    The irish government fought Norris the whole way to the ECHR to decriminalise homosexuality


  • #1040
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    The Guardian is fake news now eh.

    Throw the other one.

    Given that the BBC is one of the few outlets that didn't name the supposed attacker incorrectly, I think I'll stick with them for my source of information.

    And you seem to not think that spreading the news of an incorrect attacker is "fake news"? Which is what I was referring directly to. Can you not read?


  • #1041
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So by that logic, a few posters here tonight, who are Irish and didn't speak out against the IRA are condoning terrorism as well.

    again with the ira strawman? the intelectual dishonesty here is comedic at this stage...


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  • #1042
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    The CIA are at the root of everything.

    You ignored my Guardian link showing 25% of the Muslims in the UK want Sharia law and half of them think homosexuality should be illegal. Or the majority of Europeans being against Muslim immigration from terror regions. Second time you've brushed over such polls, but oh well.


    While I disagree vehimently with those who want Sharia law and those that want homosexuality illegal what do you propose to do about it? Deport all people who feel that there should laws based on religion, deport everyone who feels that homosexuality should be illegal?

    There might be some question over where to send the Irish citizens amongst them but you know what I feel like I could get behind that:p.


    Unfortunately we may be left with a higher percentage of those with the liberalism disorder as you called it.


  • #1043
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    That might be true, but the rapes in Sweden have increased by over 1200% ever since Islam moved in.

    evidence? Swedish crime records pref


  • #1044
    coco0981
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭coco0981


    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    Everyone here who has spoken out against Islam has clearly stated that Islam is the problem, not Muslims. Stop with the strawmans.
    See you are just contradicting yourself now
    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    Thanks for clarifying that we need to be cautious of all Muslims.
    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    YES, BUT NOT ALL IRISH PEOPLE ARE IN THE IRA.

    All Muslims follow a violent ideology     - Islam


    Fanatical Islam is the problem, not Islam itself and most certainly not Muslims


  • #1045
    Beyondgone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    I'm thinking of the Police officer who went into work, like any other day and didn't get to go home to his no doubt devastated family. Or the Officer who had to discharge his firearm, probably for the first time at work, and took a life. I'm thinking he's probably in a hoop. Or the poor people who got hit by a car and don't care a damn what ideology was behind it but just feel the pain of their injuries. I hope they get well soon. People do terrible things to each other in the name of silly ideas.


  • #1046
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    That might be true, but the rapes in Sweden have increased by over 1200% ever since Islam moved in.

    I can't tell if that's a rip-the-p*ss sarcastic statement from someone defending immigrants or an absolutely shockingly high statistic we've just been hit with.


  • #1047
    Ronaldinho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Ronaldinho


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Disband the CIA

    I would say keep a tighter leash on them alright.

    But then you look at how Boko Haram came along in Nigeria - similar militants in other parts of Africa now too. Not sure that Western bombing and CIA interference can be blamed there.

    In one sense you can see the rationale for just retrenching and letting North Africa / ME try to govern itself but I can't see that working out too well either. A lot of it is simply lawless.

    Left to its own devices there would just be more of these stories: https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/03/22/iraq-isis-dumped-hundreds-mass-grave

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/03/22/libya-war-crimes-benghazi-residents-flee

    But now I'm getting way off topic


  • #1048
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    That might be true, but the rapes in Sweden have increased by over 1200% ever since Islam moved in.

    Fake news, I'm afraid. Do a little research for yourself.


  • #1049
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    snowflaker wrote: »
    Who aren't condemning it?

    Perfection is impossible, everything has flaws

    so you admit islam has its flaws then? good, thats that settled we're in agreement


  • #1050
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Depp wrote: »
    look you can bury your head all you like and cling to this ''the bbc havent confirmed it its not true'' fantasy all you like...im not here to trash all muslims like you seem to think i am, Im saying there are problematic and dangerous verses/teachings contained in the quran and to deny there are is completely dishonest and ignorant of facts

    It's a fantasy to want to wait for a news source that is known for their responsible journalism, who have a department dedicated to identifying and highlight "fake news", and who, especially tonight, didn't leap on the identifying a wrong attacker bandwagon.

    I am not saying you are doing anything. I am merely saying to wait. Is it really that crazy to try and be responsible?

    As humanji pointed out, remember in Quebec when that attack happened and we had the exact same sh1t happening in a thread about that, the exact same conversation, and yet that person turned out to be a Trump supporter.

    So instead of jumping on everything, why not wait until all the facts are known?


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  • #1051
    Notavirus.exe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Notavirus.exe


    coco0981 wrote: »
    See you are just contradicting yourself now






    Fanatical Islam is the problem, not Islam itself and most certainly not Muslims

    Why don't you quote my other post where I said some Muslims are good people but Islam needs to be banned? I never contradicted myself. Being cautious doesn't mean labelling every Muslim as a terrorist.


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