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Attack outside UK Houses Of Parliament — No speculation — Read 1st post

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  • #842
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    The liberals want to prevent a Muslim from getting their feelings hurt more than they want to prevent a Muslim hurting/killing someone because Islam said to.

    I'm sorry, but the lives of the people of Europe are more important in my heart than the feelings of someone who subscribes themselves to a backwards, mediaeval ideology. Political correctness has killed innocent Europeans, liberalism is killing us.

    bollox. You're making **** up. That's all in your head.


  • #843
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Can't recall the last time off hand that people were slaughtered en masse in the name of Jesus Christ apart from maybe Brevik? Was he in the name of JC or against Islam? I'm sure you could link me to one or two instances probably but I'm sure your everyday blue collar guy/gal could list a slew of Islamic attacks from memory.
    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    In recent times, some examples would be Lebanon, Central African Republic, Uganda, India. There's more if you're interested in researching the subject.


    Sorry Prof, I should have stated that I meant in the West, which is why I mentioned Anders Brevik. I know atrocities go on in the developing world all the time, I meant ones that your every day guy or girl would've heard about i.e. on our shores, in our sphere. Your point is taken though.


  • #844
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Ronaldinho wrote: »
    To your first point, the "Christian West". I see those two words as co-incidental. The West subjugating North Africa was about imperialism, greed, power projection. Had nothing to do with religion in my view. And yes foreign policy regarding the Middle East has been a cluster muck for the past century or more. We can't change any of that now though.

    On your second point. In that hypothetical situation, no doubt - there would be insurgency. Would it be carried out strictly in the name of Christianity? I'm not so sure. I'd have said freedom more so. Certainly in 2017 I think more Europeans identify with the ideas of democracy and freedom than they do to any particular religion.

    What do you think the West should do to try to curb the frequency of these terrorist attacks?

    Well, there were lots of Christian missionaries sent to the conquered lands.

    My point is that if the situation were reversed, Christianity would be the rallying point for Europeans much as Islam crosses borders today. For instance, Catholicism and Irish nationalism were essentially synonymous. In many ways, Islam is a flag of convenience for people who want to lash out at the 'Christian' enemy. Brainwashing is very easy these days; simplistic messages, fake news....


  • #845
    Mutant z
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Mutant z


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Who has done this?

    The media and the likes of Angela Merkel who has opened up Europe to vast waves of muslims many of whom have extremist views.


  • #846
    TallGlass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,908 ✭✭✭TallGlass


    40 Injured. Islam Related. Police know identify of attacker. Live on TV there. Just to update everyone. Also mentioned terror treat level not raise apparently either.


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  • #847
    Panrich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭Panrich


    Deny the cnut a muslim burial. That is the best approach for these extremists.


  • #848
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,929 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    The liberals want to prevent a Muslim from getting their feelings hurt more than they want to prevent a Muslim hurting/killing someone because Islam said to.

    I'm sorry, but the lives of the people of Europe are more important in my heart than the feelings of someone who subscribes themselves to a backwards, mediaeval ideology. Political correctness has killed innocent Europeans, liberalism is killing us.

    In practical terms, assuming you have power, what is your solution?


  • #849
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    Grayson wrote: »
    Has anyone at all ever done that? Or is it possible you're just delusional.

    the amount of people who seem to pass this off as "unavoidable" or "its the wests fault" or "how dare you blame them" is actually quite scary.

    this shouldnt be accepted and its completely avoidable but the world is too PC now to protect against it.


  • #850
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,763 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Grayson wrote: »
    I'm asking what these western values are. In the multiculturalism thread most people think that this has always been around. It hasn't. Even earlier in this thread people were arguing when it was said that we have it good right now. We are extremely lucky to live in a society like we do and it's only recently that this existed.
    If anything our liberal ideology that we have now (and that so many right wingers hate) isn't western. It just happens to exist in the west right now. There's no reason to suppose that it was always going to work out this way. People seem to think that there's a teleological aspect to it. It's almost like the US and their idea of manifest destiny.

    Still, even if you look at the world over the last 20 years, you'll see that western countries are responsible for far more deaths than the east is. We live in a relatively peaceful oasis but thanks to our actions there's wars and deaths around the world.

    The vast majority of people dont want war
    The majority want peace
    The majority want equality
    The majority want everyone to live together in unity once we can all live in safe enviorment.

    Making excuses for these people for something that happened centuries ago(if we believe what these books day) is just leading us back to dark ages and we will never move forward.

    Most of these terrorists live in cosy surrondings and have hate and hate only in their soul.

    To give them a platform or a excuse is not a path that should be just accepted because some book back in the stone age says so.

    The brutal wars that USA and UK have been responsible for are barbaric, but that does not give anyone a right to kill innocent people who most would be against any such wars in first place

    EVENFLOW



  • #851
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    TallGlass wrote: »
    40 Injured. Islam Related. Police know identify of attacker. Live on TV there. Just to update everyone. Also mentioned terror treat level not raise apparently either.


    The identity should never be released. They want the glory and we should deny him that


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  • #852
    Notavirus.exe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Notavirus.exe


    coco0981 wrote: »
    You really need to get yourself a history book and an old testament bible

    The burden of proof is on the accuser. Don't make a claim and send me on a wild goose chase. If you know that Christianity is violent, you should be able to tell me how.


  • #853
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    the amount of people who seem to pass this off as "unavoidable" or "its the wests fault" or "how dare you blame them" is actually quite scary.

    this shouldnt be accepted and its completely avoidable but the world is too PC now to protect against it.

    Luckily a certain someone won an election, but they're sure trying their best to get him out.


  • #854
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 19,178 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    Christians loving their enemies and turning the other cheek is just as violent as ISIS? Are you serious?

    Please explain. And don't refer to anything the Catholic church has done, because Catholicism is not Christianity.

    Are you actually for real?

    BTW, Catholics are Christians


  • #855
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Panrich wrote: »
    Deny the cnut a muslim burial. That is the best approach for these extremists.

    He won't mind if he's a Hindu.


  • #856
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    He won't mind if he's a Hindu.

    hes not a hindu though is he?


  • #857
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Depp wrote: »
    hes not a hindu though is he?

    Dunno. Do you know?


  • #858
    RobbingBandit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,392 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    There are radical Christian pastors in america that insight hatred towards many different avenues, I have met two Imams one here in Dublin through my brother as he has a business near the mosque where the imam preaches and one in Turkey about 10 years ago through a family friend while in Kusadasi both were very gentle men not in any way imposing not in any way intimidating like the hook hand cleric to use one Muslim radical. Thinking every Muslim is a terrorist is like thinking every Irish person is a drunk, it is a stupid stereotypical way of thinking which can quickly lead to situations where people using rubber gloves are locked up in prison accused of being IRA bombers, racial profiles do not work in any situation.


  • #859
    jimmy blevins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭jimmy blevins


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Well, let's go down that road. If the Christian West wasn't bombing Muslim countries, if the Christian West hadn't colonised much of North Africa, if the Ottomans hadn't invaded much of Europe, if the crusades...

    Ask yourself this: If Syrian, Egyptian, Pakistani, and Saudi forces had been invading and bombing various countries across Europe for decades, and levelling various churches and cathedrals, do you think that a few atrocities might be carried out in those countries in the name of Christianity? Huh?

    Well eastern Europe was occupied by communism for six decades. I can't recall any Christian attacks on Moscow.


  • #860
    Mutant z
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Mutant z


    We need more people in the pc media to speak out against islamic atrocities and stop, making pathetic escuses and bs like islam is a relegion of peace, because its not, its a barbaric entity which belongs in the stone age.


  • #861
    Notavirus.exe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Notavirus.exe


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    In practical terms, assuming you have power, what is your solution?

    Leave Islam for the desert until it gets a reform. Just like the Catholic church. Until then, **** Islam.


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  • #862
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    jimmy blevins wrote: »
    Well eastern Europe was occupied by communism for six decades. I can't recall any Christian attacks on Moscow.

    Sorry, I don't understand your point.


  • #863
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,929 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    Leave Islam for the desert until it gets a reform. Just like the Catholic church. Until then, **** Islam.

    Practically, how would you achieve that?


  • #864
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Widdershins wrote: »
    Questiong Islam is not judging muslims nor is it xenophobia and previous bigotry has nothing to do with it. The Irish-British situation was very different to the situation with Isil.

    Its not quite "questioning" Islam, though, is it?


  • #865
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    jimmy blevins wrote: »
    Well eastern Europe was occupied by communism for six decades. I can't recall any Christian attacks on Moscow.

    You're right. There were no terror attacks then, so we should all become communists.


  • #866
    PARlance
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,073 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    jimmy blevins wrote: »
    Well eastern Europe was occupied by communism for six decades. I can't recall any Christian attacks on Moscow.

    No Kiwi Muslims have been involved in acts of terror either.


  • #867
    alchemist33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    Mutant z wrote: »
    We need more people in the pc media to speak out against islamic atrocities and stop, making pathetic escuses and bs like islam is a relegion of peace, because its not, its a barbaric entity which belongs in the stone age.

    Just as a matter of interest, has anyone seen or heard somebody describe Islam as a "religion of peace" in the last few years? (outside of boards, of course, where nobody means it)


  • #868
    Notavirus.exe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Notavirus.exe


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Practically, how would you achieve that?

    Ban Islam. Think I'm hateful? Carry a cross into their country, see what happens. Their religion doesn't tolerate us, I don't tolerate their religion. I understand there are good Muslims, but Islam brings terrorism.


  • #869
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    The burden of proof is on the accuser. Don't make a claim and send me on a wild goose chase. If you know that Christianity is violent, you should be able to tell me how.

    The Crusades


  • #870
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    Ban Islam. Think I'm hateful? Carry a cross into their country, see what happens. Their religion doesn't tolerate us, I don't tolerate their religion. I understand there are good Muslims, but Islam brings terrorism.

    We are not a country of a religion, we are an independent republic.


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  • #871
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Mutant z wrote: »
    We need more people in the pc media to speak out against islamic atrocities and stop, making pathetic escuses and bs like islam is a relegion of peace, because its not, its a barbaric entity which belongs in the stone age.
    Thankfully the media does always speak out against it. What it (usually) doesn't do is scapegoat all Muslims as evil monsters out to eat your children.


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