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Banning laptops on planes....

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  • #32
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,377 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    pickarooney wrote: »
    How long and boring are your holidays?

    The flights are long and boring for one thing. I also have kids with me so after they go to bed at night there's nothing better than sitting on the balcony having a glass of wine and reading a book. Relaxation heaven.


  • #33
    Knasher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭Knasher


    Jayop wrote: »
    The pain in the hole about this is its more likely than not that rather than this being a temporary measure from just these airports it's be expanded to other countries and other airports becoming the normal thing.
    God I hope not. I have to fly through the Middle East a couple times a year for work, and I really don't like the idea of trusting the baggage handlers with my laptop. My brother has had new clothes nicked out of his bag, my laptop is easier to steal and more expensive than those.

    My only hope is to start flying though Amsterdam instead of the UK from now on.


  • #34
    Jayop
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    Knasher wrote: »
    God I hope not. I have to fly through the Middle East a couple times a year for work, and I really don't like the idea of trusting the baggage handlers with my laptop. My brother has had new clothes nicked out of his bag, my laptop is easier to steal and more expensive than those.

    My only hope is to start flying though Amsterdam instead of the UK from now on.

    Tis only an uneducated (very negative) guess from me, but given that the post 911 restrictions were never lifted despite being pretty pointless I don't think I'm wrong.


  • #35
    jmayo
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    gramar wrote: »
    There must be a committee of halfwits somewhere coming up with ideas to make air travel an even bigger pain in the hole.

    You see the thing is a bunch of backward gobdaws found that it was easy enough to bring down a plane full of people with some fairly innocuous everyday items.
    These gobdaws weren't interested in just hijacking, but actually turning said plane into a flaming ball and then security has to be ramped up to try counteract them.
    It isn't just some grand plan to make air travel uncomfortable or a pain in the hole for you.
    Samaris wrote: »
    I'll be weirdly impressed if anyone manages to make a bomb out of a kindle.

    Ever heard of a little item called a letter bomb.

    The PIRA were actually world leaders in them way back as far as the 70s.
    Now they might only blow the hand or face off you on the ground, but in the air that could put a hole through an aircraft body and a little hole can become a very big hole quiet quickly at 30,000 plus feet.

    And the Israelis were quiet adept at turning old mobile phones in the 90s into bombs.

    So not quiet as far fetched as you believe.
    VinLieger wrote: »
    While I don't really agree with the ban i'm also highly amused by the massive over reactions of people about this, some dude on TV last night calling it "an infringment of his personal liberties"..... hilarious

    I think some eejit called it racist and discriminatory.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #36
    Permabear
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  • #37
    wes
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    If the ban was about security, it would be for all flights, and it is arguably putting passengers in more danger, as a battery fire in the hold, may go unnoticed for a while.

    So basically a really stupid policy that will probably be more dangerous for passengers.


  • #38
    Buffman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭Buffman


    Gyalist wrote: »
    So why doesn't the ban apply to US-registered carriers but only to their major competitors (Etihad, Emirates, Qatar, and Turkish Airlines)?

    Because they only picked/banned airports that US carriers don't serve anymore.

    The below is a general 'signature' and not part of any post:

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    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.

    Public transport user? If you're sick of phantom ghost services on the 'official' RTI sources, check bustimes.org for actual 'real' RTI, if it's on their map it actually exists.



  • #39
    BlinkingLights
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    Hopefully this doesn't get extended to become a general rule like the way the water bottle thing did.

    I could see this just putting a lot of people off flying long haul.

    Tbh, I would be loathed to put my laptop (work in graphics and video) into checked luggage in case it was damaged or stolen. I have had too many bad experiences with luggage coming back that had been very badly handled and I've had items stolen out of luggage a couple of times (not in Ireland) and bags go missing for weeks.

    Not a hope I would put the one device I need for my livelihood and a really important and expensive tool into checked luggage.

    I would honestly trust DHL or FedEx first.

    The reason I bring cameras and laptops in cabin baggage is simply that I know they're not going to be driven over by a luggage truck or squashed.


  • #40
    HeidiHeidi
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    BlinkingLights wrote: »
    Hopefully this doesn't get extended to become a general rule like the way the water bottle thing did.

    I could see this just putting a lot of people off flying long haul.

    Tbh, I would be loathed to put my laptop (work in graphics and video) into checked luggage in case it was damaged or stolen. I have had too many bad experiences with luggage coming back that had been very badly handled and I've had items stolen out of luggage a couple of times (not in Ireland) and bags go missing for weeks.

    Not a hope I would put the one device I need for my livelihood and a really important and expensive tool into checked luggage.

    I would honestly trust DHL or FedEx first.

    The reason I bring cameras and laptops in cabin baggage is simply that I know they're not going to be driven over by a luggage truck or squashed.
    FedEx and DHL freight goes by plane, and is presumably loaded by baggage-handlers as well. Not sure I'd assume they'd be treating it all with kid gloves either.


  • #41
    xabi
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    Dont get this, if they manage to make a bomb from a laptop wont it still cause damage in the hold?


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  • #42
    Little CuChulainn
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    gramar wrote: »
    There must be a committee of halfwits somewhere coming up with ideas to make air travel an even bigger pain in the hole.

    If they wanted to make air travel safer they should just give all passengers stun guns to stun anyone they suspect of being terrorists.


  • #43
    conorhal
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    Well this will certainly be a boon for light fingered baggage handlers, all those expensive electronic items in 'lost luggage'.
    On the other hand there is the positive side effect of not being stuck next to some kid gaming or watching endless cartoons on a device to 'keep them entertained' while I go slowly insane because headphones are a foreign concept to their parents.


  • #44
    osarusan
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    Ah f**k that, I won't be able to do my favourite mid-flight prank anymore.


  • #45
    VinLieger
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    xabi wrote: »
    Dont get this, if they manage to make a bomb from a laptop wont it still cause damage in the hold?

    It goes through different security measures to get to the hold than the cabin, as suggested above its possible the worry is the laptops may be getting smuggled through by airport staff not going through passenger security then being handed to passengers after security to take into the cabin.

    Not saying that's definitely the reason but its one of the possible scenarios this is being enacted to prevent


  • #46
    Skylinehead
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    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    If they wanted to make air travel safer they should just give all passengers stun guns to stun anyone they suspect of being terrorists.

    Anyone that kicks the back of my seat is a terrorist and will face the consequences


  • #47
    Little CuChulainn
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    Skylinehead wrote: »
    Anyone that kicks the back of my seat is a terrorist and will face the consequences

    Seems fair.


  • #48
    jimmy blevins
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    gramar wrote: »
    Well it is a little. A tablet/kindle/laptop are normal things to be bringing on a plane. Barring the exploding galaxy note I don't recall any of these devices being used to blow up any airplanes.

    A laptop was used to blow a hole in an Ethiopian jet, luckily it was at a low attitude at the time.


  • #49
    LeeroyJ.
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    No Nintendo Switch gaming for Muslim countries.


  • #50
    joeysoap
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    There was certainly a rumour that the Sinai bomb on the Russian a321 was put on the aircraft by ground staff. I am slightly puzzled by this, after security a ground staff person gives a laptop to a passenger, who then checks what the passenger has before boarding? This person could do the transfer in the guise of duty free, is there going to be another check before boarding? The only way this ban can be effectively enforced is by transferring security check to immediately before boarding. Another scenario: two passengers go through security, one travelling to London, one to Dublin. What's to stop them 'exchanging' carry on luggage after security?


  • #51
    Gyalist
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    February 9. 2017: CEOs of Delta, United and American Hope Trump Will Block Arab Competition

    March 20, 2017: US bans larger electronic devices on some flights from Middle East

    Coincidence? I don't think so!

    Note the massive lobbying effort on behalf ot the Big 3 US carrirers.


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  • #52
    Boom_Bap
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    They'll be banning smoking on planes next.


  • #53
    HeidiHeidi
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    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    They'll be banning smoking on planes next.

    :eek: Jaysus, remember those days!

    And at least air on planes got well recycled - it was the smoking on buses that was properly mind-boggling in hindsight!


  • #54
    Peregrinus
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    VinLieger wrote: »
    It goes through different security measures to get to the hold than the cabin, as suggested above its possible the worry is the laptops may be getting smuggled through by airport staff not going through passenger security then being handed to passengers after security to take into the cabin.

    Not saying that's definitely the reason but its one of the possible scenarios this is being enacted to prevent
    It goes through lesser security measures when it's checked baggage. Cabin baggage is routinely x-rayed and often sniffed for explosives; this happens much less for checked baggage.

    Plus, I struggle to see why this is a problem on some airlines, but not on other airlines flying the same route. Can't the terrorists just buy a ticket on an airline unaffected by the rule?


  • #55
    irishgeo
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    do the us airlines on these routes have a second passenger screening like in dublin. maybe thats why they dont have the rules for US airways.


  • #56
    [Deleted User]
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    Jayop wrote: »
    Now no one should use a laptop unless they have a spacious business class flight anyway but tablets and especially kindles are brilliant for a plane.

    Why shouldn't people use laptops in economy? Not everyone is travelling for holidays an awful lot of people are travelling for work and time in the air can be valuable in getting some work done. Even normal short flight are around 1.5 hours enough to get some meaningful work done never mind a 8 or 9 hour transatlantic flight. People going on holidays rarely bring laptops anyway (I know I don't) so if someone has a laptop they usually need it.


  • #57
    Christy42
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    Seems like a weird one. Why not all flights?
    It does not seem connected to Trump or the Muslim ban. Partially as Trump would be all over and second of all the list of airports seems to be entirely uncorrelated with the list of countries involved in the ban. If anything it throws doubt over the Muslim ban because of this.

    I imagine the hold is safer due to different screening processes and the fact that you can't touch the item in question after it has been screened like you can with carry on. So I can see some sense in it. My only confusion is to why only these airports, surely the prospective terrorist can not blow up their plane and then attack their return flight or a later flight now they are in a different country. Guess it increases risk they get elsewhere but still.


  • #58
    bodhrandude
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    So what about checked in bags, surely you can have your laptop in a checked in bag which is done prior to going through the security check.

    Edit: My question was answered when I actually read the link, so ban doesn't apply to checked in baggage.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #59
    Grayson
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    conorhal wrote: »
    Well this will certainly be a boon for light fingered baggage handlers, all those expensive electronic items in 'lost luggage'.
    On the other hand there is the positive side effect of not being stuck next to some kid gaming or watching endless cartoons on a device to 'keep them entertained' while I go slowly insane because headphones are a foreign concept to their parents.

    Imagine sitting next to a bored child on a long haul flight when they don't have any tablet to entertain them.


  • #60
    Peregrinus
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    Well, the tablet was only invented in 2008. We don't have to imagine that; most of us can remember it.


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  • #61
    Jayop
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    Kai Petite Speedway wrote: »
    Why shouldn't people use laptops in economy? Not everyone is travelling for holidays an awful lot of people are travelling for work and time in the air can be valuable in getting some work done. Even normal short flight are around 1.5 hours enough to get some meaningful work done never mind a 8 or 9 hour transatlantic flight. People going on holidays rarely bring laptops anyway (I know I don't) so if someone has a laptop they usually need it.

    Because there's not enough room in the cheap seats to avoid inconvenience for others unless it's a tiny notebook but they r aren't used for business.

    Simple logistics and manners.


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