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Banning laptops on planes....

  • 22-03-2017 02:26AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭


    I didn't see another thread on this.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/21/uk-set-to-ban-laptops-on-flights-from-middle-east-countries
    The UK government has announced a sweeping cabin ban on laptops and tablets on inbound flights from six countries, following a similar move by the US on Monday.

    The UK ban on any electronic item larger than a normal smartphone applies to all direct passenger flights from Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Tunisia and Saudi Arabia.

    Six UK airlines – British Airways, EasyJet, Jet2, Monarch, Thomas Cook and Thomson – and eight foreign carriers are affected.

    Though the restrictions, effective immediately, will not apply to flights where UK travellers change planes in European airports, it is likely other European countries are considering similar restrictions.

    That follows on from the US doing something similar. Authorities have said they have no information about an immediate threat but it's about the changing nature of terrorism.

    Honestly, it seems weird. If they thought the laptops might be bombs then they're just as dangerous in the luggage bays. If it's about signals and stuff then phones are just as bad. Plus it applies to duty free.

    Personally, I hate flying. I always have a tablet and laptop with me, both fully charged and both chock full of media to watch. That would put me off travelling to the countries affected and on the airlines affected.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Jack the Stripper


    What is a laptop is it in the same league as a scart lead?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,267 ✭✭✭joeysoap


    It's a bit weird. What's to stop someone from say Turkey travelling by train to Sofia ( approx €32 ) and getting on a plane to London from there?

    http://www.seat61.com/international-trains/trains-from-Istanbul.htm



    What's to stop the same person getting on a plane from Istanbul to Dublin and getting on a plane from here to London?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,782 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    There was an incident in Somalia where a laptop bomb blew a hole into the side of the plane, but the pilot managed to land the plane.
    Al Shabaab were blamed for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Does it mean using one or just carrying one?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    fear theatre


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    They are racist obviously for targeting these countries. No terrorism threat from these particular nations of course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭Knasher


    It's very odd that the US included Abu Dhabi in their ban, seeing they operate preclearance from there. If they don't think their own screening is good enough to catch this, then why wouldn't this apply to every flight?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,045 ✭✭✭✭gramar


    There must be a committee of halfwits somewhere coming up with ideas to make air travel an even bigger pain in the hole.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,597 ✭✭✭Witchie


    It said any electronic devices larger than a mobile phone, does that include Kindles? I would be lost without mine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,045 ✭✭✭✭gramar


    Witchie wrote: »
    It said any electronic devices larger than a mobile phone, does that include Kindles? I would be lost without mine.

    Does it have GPS?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38,989 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Gyalist


    It's simply protectionism cloaked as terrorism prevention.
    JUST BEFORE U.S. airline industry CEOs met at the White House with Donald Trump on Thursday, the big three carriers — Delta, United and American — released a video featuring some of Trump’s populist rhetoric about “trade cheats” and directing viewers to a website for a lobbying campaign to “protect American jobs.”

    But the campaign, called the Partnership for Open & Fair Skies, is in reality a cutthroat bid to block certain Arab airlines from U.S. airports — a decision analysts say would limit the choices for consumers while increasing market consolidation for the big three.

    This comes after a similar request for protection during the Obama administration — which sought to prevent foreign competitors from offering lower prices — was largely rebuffed.

    But now that there’s a president who has promised to crack down on foreigners, the airlines are at it again, hoping to harness “America First” rhetoric for profiteering protectionism.

    LINK

    Notice that the ban does not affect US-registered carriers. It's the US government protecting US airlines from competition from state-backed Middle East airlines (Etihad, Emirates and Qatar Airways).
    The choice is now between a direct flight from the ME to the US without any personal entertainment equipment or a flight with an additional stop on a (code-sharing) U.S. carrier.

    It is the use of security as an excuse for differential regional pricing whereby the price of goods is dependant on 'how much the market will bear in each region' rather than a straightforward global price for all consumers.

    The British ban is to achieve the same aim even though it targets different airports and airlines than the US does. That is likely a reflection of British Airways' competitive situation on those routes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    I'll be weirdly impressed if anyone manages to make a bomb out of a kindle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭Firefox11


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Or you could bring an actual paper book!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,045 ✭✭✭✭gramar


    Firefox11 wrote: »
    Or you could bring an actual paper book!!

    You'd better explain what that is for the benefit of the younger members of the audience!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,401 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Gyalist wrote: »
    The British ban is to achieve the same aim even though it targets different airports and airlines than the US does. That is likely a reflection of British Airways' competitive situation on those routes.
    The British ban isn't airline-specific, as I understand it. All airlines flying the routes concerned are equally affected.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,899 ✭✭✭✭BBDBB


    Can I interest anyone in buying a totally safe entertainment device for their flights?
    Made from largely organic material, its an engaging and entertaining device, simple to operate once in the upright position. Does require some manual dexterity to operate effectively. Available around the world in a variety of formats with genres to suit many and varied tastes. The back catalogue of user material is massively varied and can date back hundreds of years right the way through to today. It can educate, inform, bewilder, challenge and entertain and is suitable for a broad age range.

    A marvel of the modern age, its known simply as a book. You may have heard of them


    ;-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭DivingDuck


    Asking people to put their laptops in the luggage hold —considering the way those bags are treated, and the importance and value of the information on them for most people— is tantamount to cancelling those flights for anyone who needs to bring a computer with them for travel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,899 ✭✭✭✭BBDBB


    So next to the Car rental places at airports, they will now start offering laptop hire for the duration of your stay


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Does it mean using one or just carrying one?

    Carrying one on board.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    While I don't really agree with the ban i'm also highly amused by the massive over reactions of people about this, some dude on TV last night calling it "an infringment of his personal liberties"..... hilarious


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Decisions as abrupt as this are not taken lightly. There have been very strong intelligence of an imminent event.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,045 ✭✭✭✭gramar


    VinLieger wrote: »
    While I don't really agree with the ban i'm also highly amused by the massive over reactions of people about this, some dude on TV last night calling it "an infringment of his personal liberties"..... hilarious

    Well it is a little. A tablet/kindle/laptop are normal things to be bringing on a plane. Barring the exploding galaxy note I don't recall any of these devices being used to blow up any airplanes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,024 ✭✭✭✭irishgeo


    They caught someone trying to board a plane with a laptop bomb who had hand been handed the laptop after the security checkpoint.

    So perhaps it's the fact the airside security isn't as tight in these airports that's also an issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    My biggest concern about laptops is that Customs and Border Protection or Immigration and Customs Enforcement will copy my laptop's data and keep it or share it with third party.
    Or just seize my laptop because my company have encrypted it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,377 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    The pain in the hole about this is its more likely than not that rather than this being a temporary measure from just these airports it's be expanded to other countries and other airports becoming the normal thing. Now no one should use a laptop unless they have a spacious business class flight anyway but tablets and especially kindles are brilliant for a plane.

    And BTW the reason take a kindle rather than a book should be obvious to the few who suggested it. The ability to take several thousand books on holidays for a fraction of the space and size of a single book is the reason.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Gyalist


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Decisions as abrupt as this are not taken lightly. There have been very strong intelligence of an imminent event.

    So why doesn't the ban apply to US-registered carriers but only to their major competitors (Etihad, Emirates, Qatar, and Turkish Airlines)?


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Jayop wrote: »
    The pain in the hole about this is its more likely than not that rather than this being a temporary measure from just these airports it's be expanded to other countries and other airports becoming the normal thing. Now no one should use a laptop unless they have a spacious business class flight anyway but tablets and especially kindles are brilliant for a plane.

    And BTW the reason take a kindle rather than a book should be obvious to the few who suggested it. The ability to take several thousand books on holidays for a fraction of the space and size of a single book is the reason.

    How long and boring are your holidays?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭DivingDuck


    How long and boring are your holidays?

    Some people value choice.

    Some people also enjoy reading a lot on their holidays. They don't find it boring; it's what they enjoy.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭i71jskz5xu42pb


    50% US airline protectionism
    50% Muslim ban by stealth


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