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Going to a wedding to see a band (See Mod Warning in 1st post)

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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 26,357 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    I'd have no problem if anyone popped along to my wedding to listen to the band.

    They'd be welcome to stay for a drink, we're not having a free bar so it won't be costing me anything and if it's one less stress saved for a couple at the start of their wedding planning stages then I'd be only too happy to help.

    To be honest I'd be too busy catching up with friends, family and my beautiful bride to worry about a couple of strangers popping into see the band.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭Romantic Rose


    Loughc wrote: »
    I'd have no problem if anyone popped along to my wedding to listen to the band.

    They'd be welcome to stay for a drink, we're not having a free bar so it won't be costing me anything and if it's one less stress saved for a couple at the start of their wedding planning stages then I'd be only too happy to help.

    To be honest I'd be too busy catching up with friends, family and my beautiful bride to worry about a couple of strangers popping into see the band.

    What a nice, kind attitude to have. We need more of this positivity :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    We did this for a couple of bands, never went into the room so much as we always got a good listen from the lobby.

    Band we went with in the end had some stuff online which made it easier.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    In my experience of playing in a wedding band, couples often ask us can they come and see us at an upcoming wedding. However we would always check in advance with the bride and groom rather than assuming. Unlike the attitudes on this thread though, 99% of the time the B + G never have an issue with it and give the green light. In most cases you will barely notice the couple there, they just hang at the back or in the lobby for 20-30 minutes and no one bats an eye lid. We've yet to encounter any issues with it and so far no couples crashed the wedding, wrapped ties around there heads and start air-guitaring to Thunderstruck! :)

    Mostly however couples are encouraged to come and check the band out at a showcase if at all possible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭exaisle


    lazygal wrote: »
    Of course you're going to defend this practice if it's how you drum up business.
    I didn't stick my head in the door at another wedding to see how the food was, we had a tasting. I didn't shadow my photographer to see how she was on a wedding day, I looked at sample albums.
    I've seem the same band at two weddings, one was far better IMO. If you're telling couples that the only way to judge you is to sneak into a wedding someone else has paid you to play at that doesn't sit well with me. We paid our band for a service, not so they could use our wedding as a sample for other couples.

    With all due respect, I think you're missing the point. A main course will probably taste the same whether it's in the hotel's restaurant or in the function room...and a wedding album from a photographer is an excellent way of making a judgment about their work. However, you won't try fish and chips at a tasting if you're going to have beef or salmon for your main course, and you won't be happy if the photographer presents you with a fantastic album of first communion pics as an example of their work if you want to book them for a wedding.
    The point I'm making is that a wedding reception, from the band's point of view, is a unique kind of gig. We don't play the same music at other gigs, we dress differently and to be honest, we don't play anywhere near as loud at a wedding as we would at, say, a pub gig. But if you're happy to judge a hotel meal for a wedding on the basis of fish and chips, the photographer on the basis of an album of first communion pics, and indeed, the band on the basis of a website, or a gig in a pub, then I'd be completely happy for you to come and see us in a pub. But....I'd be far happier for you to see us play a wedding instead.
    There is no sense of us using you for marketing in wishing for you to see us at at somebody else's wedding. There is a certain amount of reciprocation involved. If somebody has seen us at a wedding and booked us, it's always mentioned to them that one or two couples (but certainly no more than that) might come along to see us at that wedding and that we will contact them beforehand to confirm that it's ok. (Similar to pconn062 above, we've never had a problem in that regard.) The only case in which we wouldn't do that is if it's a black tie wedding.
    I think perhaps, that you might be the exception that proves the rule but saying that, if you had booked us and didn't want anybody coming along to see us play at your wedding, then that would be fine too. Happily, we play enough weddings to be able to offer potential client's a few alternatives.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭SarahMollie


    exaisle wrote: »
    With all due respect, I think you're missing the point. A main course will probably taste the same whether it's in the hotel's restaurant or in the function room...and a wedding album from a photographer is an excellent way of making a judgment about their work. However, you won't try fish and chips at a tasting if you're going to have beef or salmon for your main course, and you won't be happy if the photographer presents you with a fantastic album of first communion pics as an example of their work if you want to book them for a wedding.

    Sorry but this logic wouldnt wash with me. Bands do specific wedding showcases where surely they play a set which is typical of what couples can expect at weddings.

    Should wedding tastings then therefore be done under the exact conditions also - where the kitchen has to produce mains for 200 at the same time in order for it to be an accurate reflection of how the kitchen will operate on the day of a real wedding? In cooking, scale can have a massive impact on quality, yet couples don't ask to sneak into other peoples weddings to taste the dinner under real wedding conditions.

    Again, if couples agree to allowing others in ahead of time then fine, thats up to them, but no band should presume that every B&G would be ok with this or that its acceptable to invite prospective customers without the B&G's express prior consent. I for one, would say no, and wouldn't expect to be judged for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    exaisle wrote: »
    With all due respect, I think you're missing the point. A main course will probably taste the same whether it's in the hotel's restaurant or in the function room...and a wedding album from a photographer is an excellent way of making a judgment about their work. However, you won't try fish and chips at a tasting if you're going to have beef or salmon for your main course, and you won't be happy if the photographer presents you with a fantastic album of first communion pics as an example of their work if you want to book them for a wedding.
    The point I'm making is that a wedding reception, from the band's point of view, is a unique kind of gig. We don't play the same music at other gigs, we dress differently and to be honest, we don't play anywhere near as loud at a wedding as we would at, say, a pub gig. But if you're happy to judge a hotel meal for a wedding on the basis of fish and chips, the photographer on the basis of an album of first communion pics, and indeed, the band on the basis of a website, or a gig in a pub, then I'd be completely happy for you to come and see us in a pub. But....I'd be far happier for you to see us play a wedding instead.
    There is no sense of us using you for marketing in wishing for you to see us at at somebody else's wedding. There is a certain amount of reciprocation involved. If somebody has seen us at a wedding and booked us, it's always mentioned to them that one or two couples (but certainly no more than that) might come along to see us at that wedding and that we will contact them beforehand to confirm that it's ok. (Similar to pconn062 above, we've never had a problem in that regard.) The only case in which we wouldn't do that is if it's a black tie wedding.
    I think perhaps, that you might be the exception that proves the rule but saying that, if you had booked us and didn't want anybody coming along to see us play at your wedding, then that would be fine too. Happily, we play enough weddings to be able to offer potential client's a few alternatives.
    No, you're missing the point.
    We hired a band that didn't engage in this practice to get business. We attended their showcase and trusted that they were professionals who would do a good job in return for the fee we were paying them. And they did. They even learned our first dance song and sang it live-we trusted as professionals they would deliver.
    I don't see what is so different about the service provided by a band that a couple can only judge it based on sneaking into a performance someone else had paid for. My hair and makeup was extremely important to me, but I didn't ask if I could pop along to see how the women doing it would cope on a busy wedding morning so I knew how they'd work on the day. When we did our tasting, we were in the restaurant with a handful of other customers, but we tasted the food and expected that a professional kitchen and service staff would deliver to the 90 guests we expected on the day of our wedding.

    That this has become standard practice for bands to the point that they feel they can defend in the manner in which you have is bizarre. Sneaking into a private function to gauge a service provider should strike most people as a bit weird.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭skallywag


    pconn062 wrote: »
    ... However we would always check in advance with the bride and groom rather than assuming. Unlike the attitudes on this thread though, 99% of the time the B + G never have an issue with it and give the green light..

    Agree completely with the above.

    I genuinely cannot see how any reasonable person would be against having another couple watch their band for a handful of songs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    skallywag wrote: »
    Agree completely with the above.

    I genuinely cannot see how any reasonable person would be against having another couple watch their band for a handful of songs.
    We had 90 people at our wedding. We didn't even ask all our relatives to it. Why would we let complete strangers into the band's performance for a nose when we didn't even ask all our aunts and uncles and cousins to the day? Not to mention that there are no guarantees that the complete strangers might turn out to be people you know and don't want to see on your wedding day. Ireland's small that way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭SarahMollie


    skallywag wrote: »

    I genuinely cannot see how any reasonable person would be against having another couple watch their band for a handful of songs.

    Well I genuinely cannot see why you have such an issue with paying customers having a day that meets their wishes. I know mine doesn't include strangers hanging around at the back of my reception. Your post comes across as incredibly judgmental.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,510 ✭✭✭baby and crumble


    We're not having a band but tbh if I see anyone I don't know in the venue on my wedding day they will be asked to leave. I don't care if they're friends of friends, I don't care if they're there to see the set up, I don't care. There are some things that I just think are plain rude, and that includes coming to an event where you did not receive an explicit invitation from the hosts. Whether that's an invitation into my house to see a tiling job, or a wedding. My brother, on the other hand, had no issue with a few folks who gatecrashed his wedding a few years back, he thought it was great craic. Everyone's different.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭kidneyfan


    Very rude to gatecrash a wedding uninvited to see a band and if anyone did this at our reception they'd be told to PFO pronto.
    People gatecrash weddings all the time.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭kidneyfan


    We're not having a band but tbh if I see anyone I don't know in the venue on my wedding day they will be asked to leave. I don't care if they're friends of friends, I don't care if they're there to see the set up, I don't care. There are some things that I just think are plain rude, and that includes coming to an event where you did not receive an explicit invitation from the hosts. Whether that's an invitation into my house to see a tiling job, or a wedding. My brother, on the other hand, had no issue with a few folks who gatecrashed his wedding a few years back, he thought it was great craic. Everyone's different.
    What if your husband knows them and you don't?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭AoifeCork


    Just my two cents on this-We never ever allow couples to view us at a wedding for two main reasons
    1) It is not our function or our event. We wouldn't invite random people to a party we were attending. Especially people we have never met before. I don't think I could sleep the night before knowing there were non-guests attending someones wedding day on the back of us being cheeky enough to ask them. I actually cringe at the thought of it.
    2) Sunday showcases or pub gigs aren't different to our wedding show. Possibly the absence of a slow set in a pub but that'd be it. If you dance in a pub and other people have a good time at the same show, then you'll definitely dance and have a good time at your wedding day. If you absolutely HAVE to see the band at a wedding it's probably because you're unsure of their ability to entertain. In which case-move on and do some more research.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭SarahMollie


    kidneyfan wrote: »
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    That post says so much more about you.


  • Posts: 24,774 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    lazygal wrote: »
    That this has become standard practice for bands to the point that they feel they can defend in the manner in which you have is bizarre. Sneaking into a private function to gauge a service provider should strike most people as a bit weird.

    Its been the norm for decades, I can remember my aunts/uncles etc doing this over 20 years ago when they were getting married and its no different nowadays.

    The fact is that its the norm for 95% of people which can be seen from the wedding bands mentioning it also. I just can't get my head around why its an issue for some people.
    kidneyfan wrote: »
    What if your husband knows them and you don't?

    Was going to post the same, imagine asking someone who was invited to leave!!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,662 Mod ✭✭✭✭Faith


    Mod Note: kidneyfan infracted, his post has been deleted and he has been told not to post on this thread again. There is ZERO tolerance on this forum for being uncivil towards others.

    If anyone needs a reminder, here's the relevant excerpt from our charter:
    Keep It Civil
    It's nice to be nice, in fact, we insist on it. Getting married and wedding planning can be a very stressful time. Let's keep tempers in check and keep the tone supportive and friendly. Do not Troll, Flame or attack other posters. Same goes for soapboxing. Everyone has differing opinions on what they like and don't like (especially when it comes to gifts) and that's great, but posting in a confrontational, argumentative way is not on, and will earn a warning/infraction, or even a ban.


    Seriously, Keep it Civil
    It's a sad state of affairs that this actually has to be repeated. There have been increasing incidences of some posters being downright abusive towards other posters, vilifying them over their choices/opinions/plans for their wedding day. There are plenty of ways to express your opinion without being a dick about it. Think carefully before you post; if you were on the receiving end of what you had written, how would that make you feel? Usually we only issue cards/bans as a last resort, but going forward there will be zero tolerance for muppetry/general cattiness. Repeat offenders will get a 2 week ban, and risk a permaban if their behaviour continues when they return.

    Any further breaches of this rule on this thread will be met with an immediate ban.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    I can't get my head around bands who are charging a fee for a service thinking it's normal and acceptable practice to tell other people to sneak around and into a private function so they can drum up future business. Just because something has been the norm for years doesn't mean it can't be questioned or was always an acceptable thing to do.
    As has been proven on this thread, there are bands who would run a mile from this kind of shady practice. That's the kind of professional I'd rather hire for my wedding.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 942 ✭✭✭Ghekko


    Was going to post the same, imagine asking someone who was invited to leave!![/QUOTE]


    I gather you would ask your husband if he knew them before asking them to leave :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭skallywag


    lazygal wrote: »
    ... to sneak around and into a private function ...

    Agree with you completely that it's terrible form for any band not to ask the bride and groom up front. I'd also be keeping well clear of any such bands.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭SarahMollie


    Its been the norm for decades, I can remember my aunts/uncles etc doing this over 20 years ago when they were getting married and its no different nowadays.

    The fact is that its the norm for 95% of people which can be seen from the wedding bands mentioning it also. I just can't get my head around why its an issue for some people.



    Was going to post the same, imagine asking someone who was invited to leave!!

    Firstly, I know everyone coming to my wedding. Maybe one of my friends will bring a new boyfriend (I've told the single girls they can if they wish), but I think I'll be able to figure out who they are as they'll be with the friend in question.

    I think I'd notice a couple I hadn't seen all day suddenly appeared at 10pm. i'm not having a big Irish country wedding, where my parents will have invited everyone within a Xkm radius. I absolutely expect to recognise all my guests. Also we're not having an afters, its an all day invite for everyone, so a couple of strangers turning up late in the evening , in our private hire venue (not a hotel) would stand out.

    I honestly don't care what other people think is fine for their weddings - I am capable of making up my own mind and I don't like it so it won't be happening at my wedding. None of us have to do anything just because "everyone" does it. I managed to book a band without sneaking into someone else wedding, and I don't want someone sneaking into mine. We actually booked a band we'd see at a friends wedding a few years previously and then attended their showcase for an up to date impression of them. Job done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,510 ✭✭✭baby and crumble


    kidneyfan wrote: »
    People gatecrash weddings all the time.

    Just because people do it all the time doesn't make it ok, or right, or not rude.
    kidneyfan wrote: »
    What if your husband knows them and you don't?

    I'd be fairly worried seeing as I suddenly had a husband after being fierce gay altogether for my entire life. :P

    In all seriousness though, we've been together so long (13+ years) that at this stage there'd be fairly few people in her life, or in mine, that the other wouldn't have met. And as we've decided on the guest list together, I'd know if there was someone due to come that I hadn't met. Obviously I'd be checking with her about a pair of randomers before barrelling over and asking them to leave, I'm not a total idiot.


  • Administrators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 17,002 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Toots


    A couple showed up to watch the band at my SIL's wedding and sat there with their phones out videoing the dance floor. It was a small enough wedding, so they stood out and one of the groomsmen went over to see what they were up to. The band had told them to come for a nose and they'd decided to video the dancefloor to see how full it was. They were apparently doing this with all bands they viewed and would compare to see which kept the floor fullest!!

    Needless to say they were asked to leave pronto. They weren't happy about it but the groomsman said he'd get the hotel to remove them if they didn't leave quietly, so they headed off. He also insisted on them deleting the video footage they'd recorded while he was watching. Nobody said anything to the bride and groom on the night but when they were told the next day both confirmed that the band had never said anything about it to them or asked was it OK. My SIL said she wouldn't have minded one couple turning up for a quick look if she'd been asked about it first, but she definitely wasn't happy about the guests being videoed without their knowledge by a complete stranger.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Toots wrote:
    A couple showed up to watch the band at my SIL's wedding and sat there with their phones out videoing the dance floor. It was a small enough wedding, so they stood out and one of the groomsmen went over to see what they were up to. The band had told them to come for a nose and they'd decided to video the dancefloor to see how full it was. They were apparently doing this with all bands they viewed and would compare to see which kept the floor fullest!!


    That is totally unacceptable, agreed..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Why is it always doomsday scenarios that are posted on this forum??! People filming your wedding guests, crashing weddings, eating food and drinking at a strangers weddings. How often do you think these things actually happen? On my experience as someone who goes to a lot of weddings the answer is rarely to never. As I said in our case bride and grooms are always asked on advance and preferably we encourage them to attend showcases instead.

    And I agree, any band that says you can just drop into a wedding without getting permission from the bride and groom should be avoided as they are not reputable.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 2,163 Mod ✭✭✭✭Oink


    As far as I'm concerned:
    Any couple who asks politely and in advance will be sat at the bar, with a glass of champagne and a slice of cake. Happy to help them plan their happy day.

    Turn up at the door unannounced and ask politely, you will be standing at the back quietly.

    Crash my private family event and you'll be out the door.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭skallywag


    Oink wrote: »
    As far as I'm concerned:
    Any couple who asks politely and in advance will be sat at the bar, with a glass of champagne and a slice of cake. Happy to help them plan their happy day.

    Turn up at the door unannounced and ask politely, you will be standing at the back quietly.

    Crash my private family event and you'll be out the door.

    Very well put, sums up my own sentiments exactly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭AoifeCork


    pconn062 wrote: »
    Why is it always doomsday scenarios that are posted on this forum??! People filming your wedding guests, crashing weddings, eating food and drinking at a strangers weddings. How often do you think these things actually happen? On my experience as someone who goes to a lot of weddings the answer is rarely to never. As I said in our case bride and grooms are always asked on advance and preferably we encourage them to attend showcases instead.

    And I agree, any band that says you can just drop into a wedding without getting permission from the bride and groom should be avoided as they are not reputable.

    Yes but I think the point Toots was making (and in-keeping with what I mentioned previously) you don't KNOW if this will or will not happen. This band have probably done this kind of thing previously and nothing was noticed or mentioned. On this occasion the couple were a bit mental and videoed footage from a private function that, really, they shouldn't have been at in the first place. Think of the aftermath. The bride and groom who hired the band are pissed off, the couple who were asked to leave are mortified (and probably pissed off), the band probably loses the potential booking and, more than likely, any further bookings they might have gotten from friends/family of the couple whose wedding they were attending. Pardon my French but the last thing I want to deal with on a Monday is a s**storm like that. That's why our band avoid it like the plague. We have a website, a youtube channel, a twitter, a FB page which advertises public gigs, a snapchat with live footage, etc etc. Plenty opportunities to make an informed decision on the band without bringing them to a wedding.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    You can't know how people will behave. I purposely excluded one relative from our wedding because of their previous form at family events, and my husband did the same with one of his. We had asked other relatives we could trust to make sure they didn't access the ceremony or reception just in case (thankfully our legal ceremony took place before the big day so this was possible). They are trouble and we didn't want them there because they have spoiled other occasions. If we've gone to the effort of eliminating potential hassle with people we know, why would we not worry about people we don't coming to our wedding uninvited?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    AoifeCork wrote: »
    Yes but I think the point Toots was making (and in-keeping with what I mentioned previously) you don't KNOW if this will or will not happen. This band have probably done this kind of thing previously and nothing was noticed or mentioned. On this occasion the couple were a bit mental and videoed footage from a private function that, really, they shouldn't have been at in the first place. Think of the aftermath. The bride and groom who hired the band are pissed off, the couple who were asked to leave are mortified (and probably pissed off), the band probably loses the potential booking and, more than likely, any further bookings they might have gotten from friends/family of the couple whose wedding they were attending. Pardon my French but the last thing I want to deal with on a Monday is a s**storm like that. That's why our band avoid it like the plague. We have a website, a youtube channel, a twitter, a FB page which advertises public gigs, a snapchat with live footage, etc etc. Plenty opportunities to make an informed decision on the band without bringing them to a wedding.

    I agree in a way, but I still think there is an overreaction. And to be honest, it's not something that comes up very much anyway in our experience. If we do 15 weddings maybe once a couple might ask to come and see us. We do enough public gigs and showcases that people don't need to come weddings mostly. And for what it's worth I would never go to someone's wedding to see a band


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