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Fourth wave feminism.

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  • #92
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Can we just agree upon a new term for these asshats? Calling them feminists is an insult to those who fought for womens' rights, the right to vote, an end to workplace discrimination, the right to drive, sexual freedom etc. Feminism is supposed to be about freedom, ergo any authoritarians who take up its banner are doing so fraudulently.

    I've come to the conclusion that SJWs calling themselves "feminists" is about as legitimate as the Westboro Baptist Church calling themselves "Christians", or those who ran the Magdalene Laundries describing themselves as charitable organisations. It's about time others on the left started calling these people out for their corruption of a concept which used to stand for something good in the world.


  • #93
    Glenster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,626 ✭✭✭Glenster


    There is a gender pay gap of about 27% in Ireland. That is an unadjusted figure and means that a woman will make 73% of what a man makes.

    This is partially due to the fact that women work approximately 6 hours less a week than men.

    The time adjusted pay gap is 16%, that is to say that every hour a woman works is paid 84% of what a man makes.

    This is partially due to the fact that women are more employed in the lowly paid caring sectors and there are more men in managerial positions that women.

    The time and positional adjusted pay gap is approximately 3%, this means a woman is paid 97% what a man makes for the exact same job, same hours, experience, etc.


  • #94
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Glenster wrote: »
    There is a gender pay gap of about 27% in Ireland. That is an unadjusted figure and means that a woman will make 73% of what a man makes.

    This is partially due to the fact that women work approximately 6 hours less a week than men.

    The time adjusted pay gap is 16%, that is to say that every hour a woman works is paid 84% of what a man makes.

    This is partially due to the fact that women are more employed in the lowly paid caring sectors and there are more men in managerial positions that women.

    The time and positional adjusted pay gap is approximately 3%, this means a woman is paid 97% what a man makes for the exact same job, same hours, experience, etc.

    3% and you are hitting a margin of error in data collection so essentially there no pay gap worth doing anything about? its down to choices

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #95
    Glenster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,626 ✭✭✭Glenster


    silverharp wrote: »
    3% and you are hitting a margin of error in data collection so essentially there no pay gap worth doing anything about? its down to choices

    urgh. you don't know what you're talking about.


  • #96
    BunkMoreland
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    When's the last time you came across woman who was above average at her job? Rarely. They get paid less because they are less good at the job. Qualifications and how long you've sat in the job mean nothing. It about performance. I get paid better than my female colleagues because I'm better at the job.

    Modern females perform average or below in the workplace, and they can't seem to cook anymore!

    Less time moaning about rights and more time spent on skills development is what they need.

    Mod: Permanently banned from After Hours.


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  • #97
    red ears
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    Where i work the people who completely rip the s**t out of the tea breaks are all women. They take more time off sick, more time spent at each others desks chatting. If that's typical (and i'm not saying it necessarily is) in other work places then it wouldn't surprise me if they struggle to negotiate higher pay-rises.


  • #98
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    222233 wrote: »
    What's wrong with "feminists" getting airtime or a column in a paper? What's so frightening about that.

    Eh, where to start....

    Vast majority of 3rd/4th wave feminists today are out for their own end are not looking for nor seeking equality. They are simply trying to gain social and political advantages for women, while simultaneously and sanctimoniously portraying themselves as being victims of patriarchal oppression.

    The mask slips the odd time though....



    https://twitter.com/NWCI/status/843058871140794369


    The NWCI is tax payer funded too. The sooner that ends the better. Let them raise their own funds.


  • #99
    JupiterKid
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    Geez the anti- woman brigade are out in force tonight. I have worked with many women (and had a woman boss) and with a couple of exceptions they were all very competent, hard working and great at multitasking, which men are generally useless at.


  • #100
    [Deleted User]
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Geez the anti- woman brigade are out in force tonight. I have worked with many women (and had a woman boss) and with a couple of exceptions they were all very competent, hard working and great at multitasking, which men are generally useless at.

    This post is full of tripe. The Anti-Women Brigade? Who here has sneered at women? Show one post on this thread that puts women in general down? The sheer irony is you then coming out with the clichéd crap that men are "generally useless at multitasking". That's the only sweeping generalisation I've spotted.


  • #101
    [Deleted User]
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    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    As a person said to me once 'why are women nice to men, they are not nice to you'.

    I never ever use this but honest to god this statement deserves it. :rolleyes:

    Actually it deserves more than just one, one for whoever allegedly said it as it's absolute poppycock and one for yourself for actually seemingly putting stock in it. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:





























    Ps :rolleyes:


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  • #102
    BMMachine
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    Outlaw Pete wrote: »

    Vast majority of 3rd/4th wave feminists today are out for their own end are not looking for nor seeking equality. They are simply trying to gain social and political advantages for women, while simultaneously and sanctimoniously portraying themselves as being victims of patriarchal oppression.

    The mask slips the odd time though....

    they are out to get ya mate. you and your thoughts. they want to impose sh*t on you but you are too smart, too much a rebel and ultimately far too intelligent to fall for that. you got them mate. all those feminists who get in your way, you are on to them.

    Here I found this place right where you can strike them with your razor wit and intelligent discussion. I dunno where you live but you might have to head up to Dublin cos I found a place and its full of those damn feminists. I see loads of them walking in and out, sobbing and crying but you and I know mate that its just a mask. Anyway, you should go down there and give them that whats what, tell them how silly they are and that feminism is bullsh*t. Its on 70 Leeson Street Lower, Dublin 2 if you are looking. It says its a 'centre' or some sh*t but there is big gaggle of them there. A guy like you, who is extremely informed and intelligent, should have no problem telling them your points and maybe changing a few minds


  • #103
    JupiterKid
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    This post is full of tripe. The Anti-Women Brigade? Who here has sneered at women? Show one post on this thread that puts women in general down? The sheer irony is you then coming out with the clichéd crap that men are "generally useless at multitasking". That's the only sweeping generalisation I've spotted.


    Erm - posts #96 and #97 for instance, where the posters are opining that women are not good workers? If that's not anti-women then I don't know what is.

    Look, I think that over-zealous feminism is not a good thing. I believe in equality of the sexes. But some of the posts in this thread seem like thinly veiled mysoginistic rants by posters who think perhaps winding the clock back 70 years would be a great idea. Do some men really get that intimidated by articulate, successful, professional women?:rolleyes:


  • #104
    [Deleted User]
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    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Who said it had to be a woman? How owuld you feel if it was another man who grabbed you, followed you around and made unrequested sexual advances on you?

    Which has happened previously too. Gay men making an approach too aggressively? *Gosh* All gay men must be camp and gentle ceatures. :rolleyes:

    My point still stands though.
    I totally agree. Again, women/feminists can be their own worst enemies.

    You're not getting my point though. Feminists and many people have encouraged this perception that sexual harassment or sexual assault only really happens to women... Your opening post highlights this perception.

    This stereotype that all men are big, strong, aggressive 'lads'. That heavy lad culture of grabbing women and whistling at women walking by. Hate to tell you this, but that type of guy is a minority who haven't developed to match the modern era. But that stereotype is wheeled out again and again.

    It's like this perception feminists have about male behavior. This highly selective viewpoint of relevant details. Like, how most men were raised by their mothers, and yet, we have somehow ignored all the teachings that we received from her, and instead received our sexism from our fathers, who we spent far less time with. I could go on, but it just annoys me just how retarded the whole movement has become. I was raised by my family to believe in feminism, and respect for women... I don't any more.... and it's feminists/SJWs/Liberal campaigners who have achieved that achievement. Well done.

    Do I still respect women? Yes, I do. Do I respect Feminists? Nope.


  • #105
    Icemancometh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 873 ✭✭✭Icemancometh


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Erm - posts #96 and #97 for instance, where the posters are opining that women are not good workers? If that's not anti-women then I don't know what is.

    Look, I think that over-zealous feminism is not a good thing. I believe in equality of the sexes. But some of the posts in this thread seem like thinly veiled mysoginistic rants by posters who think perhaps winding the clock back 70 years would be a great idea. Do some men really get that intimidated by articulate, successful, professional women?:rolleyes:
    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Geez the anti- woman brigade are out in force tonight. I have worked with many women (and had a woman boss) and with a couple of exceptions they were all very competent, hard working and great at multitasking, which men are generally useless at.

    Here, for instance, is someone opining that men are not good workers. If that's not anti-men then I don't know what is.


  • #106
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Glenster wrote: »
    urgh. you don't know what you're talking about.

    lol , as you explained it there is no gap. women who work in childcare for example have chose this, are you going to make them get into road repairs or deep sea fishing?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #107
    JupiterKid
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    Icemancometh wrote: »
    Here, for instance, is someone opining that men are not good workers. If that's not anti-men then I don't know what is.


    Well, don't take my word for it. It appears that women are better at multitasking than men.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-24645100

    But men can be brilliant in particular fields such as mathematics, physics and the "hard" sciences in general. At the end of the day, women and men should complement each other, not compete with each other.

    And I think "4th wave" feminism sucks, to be honest. But the feminists of the 1960s and 70s were fighting against a male-dominated society.

    I think that modern feminists should focus their efforts more on the plight of women and girls in developing countries, where lack of education, male oppression, forced marriages, lack of rights and female genital mutilation still abound. Instead of picking at perceived slights in the West immersed in PC ideology from academic ivory towers and "safe spaces."


  • #108
    [Deleted User]
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Well, don't take my word for it. It appears that women are better at multitasking than men.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-24645100

    But men can be brilliant in particular fields such as mathematics, physics and the "hard" sciences in general. At the end of the day, women and men should complement each other, not compete with each other.

    And I think "4th wave" feminism sucks, to be honest. But the feminists of the 1960s and 70s were fighting against a male-dominated society.

    I think that modern feminists should focus their efforts more on the plight of women and girls in developing countries, where lack of education, male oppression, forced marriages, lack of rights and female genital mutilation still abound. Instead of picking at perceived slights in the West immersed in PC ideology from academic ivory towers and "safe spaces."

    Ahh come on. Thats as much down to social and cultural perspectives towards employment. Women being the mother and performing housework, encouraged the persuit of multitasking, whereas most industrial or agricultural jobs didn't.

    Technology has changed all of that. We are all forced to be good at multi-tasking these days. It's the way the world has changed.


  • #109
    lawred2
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    can't we all just get along?


  • #110
    me_right_one
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    222233 wrote: »
    What's wrong with "feminists" getting airtime or a column in a paper? What's so frightening about that.

    I'm pretty sure it's not an argument or the only argument they have left, it's a very serious issue that affects the women of this country, just because certain people speak about it doesn't solely make it a feminist issue - it could be a human rights issue, a mental health issue, a medical issue, a discrimination issue.

    What astonishes me, is that these "feminists" want equality for everybody - except the unborn. Feck them, they are human, they are alive, they were deliberately made in most cases, but they dont deserve equality. Just... 'cos

    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    And that's exactly why there are now so many different strands in modern feminism, because the privileged few feminists who thought they were speaking on behalf of all women, are now having to face the reality that in fact they do not...In trying to address as many issues as possible, they've actually diluted feminism to the point where it can mean anything anyone wants it to mean, and is therefore open to attack rather than acceptance from all comers.

    Thats survival of the fittest playing out right before your eyes. This wave of feminism is complete bollox, and its going down in flames spectacularly.


  • #111
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,647 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    BMMachine wrote: »
    they are out to get ya mate. you and your thoughts. they want to impose sh*t on you but you are too smart, too much a rebel and ultimately far too intelligent to fall for that. you got them mate. all those feminists who get in your way, you are on to them.

    Here I found this place right where you can strike them with your razor wit and intelligent discussion. I dunno where you live but you might have to head up to Dublin cos I found a place and its full of those damn feminists. I see loads of them walking in and out, sobbing and crying but you and I know mate that its just a mask. Anyway, you should go down there and give them that whats what, tell them how silly they are and that feminism is bullsh*t. Its on 70 Leeson Street Lower, Dublin 2 if you are looking. It says its a 'centre' or some sh*t but there is big gaggle of them there. A guy like you, who is extremely informed and intelligent, should have no problem telling them your points and maybe changing a few minds

    One side of the argument seems less calm, rational and substantive that's for sure.


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  • #112
    LuckyLloyd
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Erm - posts #96 and #97 for instance, where the posters are opining that women are not good workers? If that's not anti-women then I don't know what is.

    Look, I think that over-zealous feminism is not a good thing. I believe in equality of the sexes. But some of the posts in this thread seem like thinly veiled mysoginistic rants by posters who think perhaps winding the clock back 70 years would be a great idea. Do some men really get that intimidated by articulate, successful, professional women?:rolleyes:

    Those posts are not receiving a positive reaction though (and rightly so). There will always be extremist nonsense on either end of the scale. There is no 'movement' being driven by extremist elements as far as genuine equality is concerned. Most right thinking people will abhor and marginalize the kind of misogyny expressed in #96 and #97 just as most people would think MidlandMissus is bordering on lunatic as per her posting history here. The concern is that we seem to be giving a significant media platform to voices espousing close to the latter point of view. Thankfully, outright misogyny is a thing of the past in traditional media.


  • #113
    JupiterKid
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    Shouldn't Western Feminists be more energised and outraged by the appalling low levels of female education in Sub-Saharan Africa and parts of Asia than squabbling over the most appropriate use of Pc terms for their pet projects or encompassing sexual assault definitions to include cat calling and wolf whistling?

    The blog linked below paints a grim picture:
    https://gemreportunesco.wordpress.com/2012/11/09/the-bottom-ten-countries-for-female-education/


  • #114
    osarusan
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Shouldn't Western Feminists be more energised and outraged by the appalling low levels of female education in Sub-Saharan Africa and parts of Asia than squabbling over the most appropriate use of Pc terms for their pet projects or encompassing sexual assault definitions to include cat calling and wolf whistling?

    The blog linked below paints a grim picture:
    https://gemreportunesco.wordpress.com/2012/11/09/the-bottom-ten-countries-for-female-education/


    Shouldn't everybody be energised and outraged about it? Why just Western Feminists?

    It's such a weak argument.


  • #115
    Zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Hilarious. As a man who has just become a father and is entitled to 2 weeks paid paternity leave (introduced in Sept 2016), I'd rather be at work so won't be taking the government up on it. I also like the fact that instead of staying in the same room as the newborn and being woken up every 30 minutes I have the freedom to go into another bedroom and sleep through the night. How many mothers, who are apparently not "slaving", have this freedom?
    Equally hilarious. What type of father and partner you choose to be is your business. And whats acceptable in your relationship is your own business.

    However, as a father of two, I took a month unpaid leave (because leave parental or otherwise wasnt available to me) to be there for the first month of my children's lives. I did the night feeds for those months so my wife could recover and rest.

    I'm looking for praise, or flowers to be thrown at me, but you really rilled my feathers with your flippant comments - not every man chooses to be so uninvolved.


  • #116
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,143 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote:
    Women should strive to break down that wall and take their place in the industry. Also in the other male dominated trades like fishing and fixing sh1tters and sewer systems.

    I'd support anyone who wants to break into those professions. Wouldn't you?


  • #117
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    As a person said to me once 'why are women nice to men, they are not nice to you'.
    What? I've read some out there stuff on Boards.ie down the years, but I really dunno what to think reading that. Jesus.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #118
    TheQuietFella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    Feminism is just a big stick that women use to beat themselves with!


  • #119
    Pac1Man
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    What? I've read some out there stuff on Boards.ie down the years, but I really dunno what to think reading that. Jesus.

    Don't give them time.

    These views are as equally provocative and destructive as the polar opposite MGTOW crowd.


  • #120
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Pac1Man wrote: »
    Don't give them time.

    These views are as equally provocative and destructive as the polar opposite MGTOW crowd.

    when loads of men start doing mgtow courses in college and teachers start teaching it schools there might be some comparison. at the moment its like comparing an ant to an elephant.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • #121
    Glenster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,626 ✭✭✭Glenster


    silverharp wrote: »
    lol , as you explained it there is no gap. women who work in childcare for example have chose this, are you going to make them get into road repairs or deep sea fishing?

    I thought posting hard facts might stop the rhetoric.

    But my post stating that there is a pay gap, that its mostly explained by two factors but exists even when these are removed, was seized on by you to make an ideological point.

    You did this by (wilfully?) misunderstanding what a margin of error was and in what situations it can apply.

    I live in the real world and in every job I've ever worked my boss has been a bloke. The cleaners have been birds. Doesn't seem fair.


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