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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • #3992
    9726_9726
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭9726_9726


    Mick 6 wrote: »
    Yes that's all they had cat 5. Only going 12 Meters to the router. The rest of my network is all cat 6.

    Cat5e will easily do gigabit up to 100m. I have lots of installs around the 80-90m mark, 1Gbps full duplex.


  • #3993
    9726_9726
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭9726_9726


    yammagamma wrote: »
    i rang a eir shop yesterday and guy told me all there fibre is under ground

    Not true! Most of this network is on poles. Loads of pics in this thread.


  • #3994
    Silpac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭Silpac


    FTTH and phone line ?

    Does anyone know - when I get FTTH next week, will my phone line also be working off that?
    The reason I ask is my phone line in the house goes to 3 connections and it's cat5e, I want to convert this to an Ethernet / LAN. I assume I need the phone off the network to do that ?!

    Thanks


  • #3995
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Silpac wrote: »
    FTTH and phone line ?

    Does anyone know - when I get FTTH next week, will my phone line also be working off that?

    No, remains as it is.

    Pic of PSTN socket and fibre ODP/ONT in a domestic setup

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  • #3996
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Silpac wrote: »
    FTTH and phone line ?

    Does anyone know - when I get FTTH next week, will my phone line also be working off that?
    The reason I ask is my phone line in the house goes to 3 connections and it's cat5e, I want to convert this to an Ethernet / LAN. I assume I need the phone off the network to do that ?!

    Thanks
    The FTTH is installed completely separately from the analogue phone system and you’re existing phone connections will not be touched at all.


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  • #3997
    Silpac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭Silpac


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The FTTH is installed completely separately from the analogue phone system and you’re existing phone connections will not be touched at all.

    That's a pity, would've thought it'd be through the fibre.

    Does anyone know if I can use my coaxial cable for a data cable around the house ?


  • #3998
    pegasus1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭pegasus1


    Silpac wrote: »
    FTTH and phone line ?

    Does anyone know - when I get FTTH next week, will my phone line also be working off that?
    The reason I ask is my phone line in the house goes to 3 connections and it's cat5e, I want to convert this to an Ethernet / LAN. I assume I need the phone off the network to do that ?!

    Thanks
    Yes you would need to disconnect the phone from your cat5e..also run separate runs to each location from router's location. ie. no daisy chaining..


  • #3999
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Silpac wrote: »
    That's a pity, would've thought it'd be through the fibre.

    Does anyone know if I can use my coaxial cable for a data cable around the house ?
    I spoke to Eir rep last week and VOIP will be available at the end of this month, then you can use the "phone" socket on the modem.


  • #4000
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    In a recent Comreg publication eir indicated they are in the process of developing a Voice over Broadband (VOB) product which will launch later this year.

    untitled2.jpg
    https://www.comreg.ie/publication-download/retirement-legacy-networks-services

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057709177


  • #4001
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    The danger, IMO, is that eir could lock their modem to allow use of only their own VOIP settings, thus excluding user choice of provider.


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  • #4002
    KeRbDoG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,391 ✭✭✭KeRbDoG


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    The danger, IMO, is that eir could lock their modem to allow use of only their own VOIP settings, thus excluding user choice of provider.

    If they did, you could just get a standalone VOIP adapter like the Cisco SPA112


  • #4003
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    KeRbDoG wrote: »
    If they did, you could just get a standalone VOIP adapter like the Cisco SPA112

    which rather defeats the purpose of having the ATA built into the modem!


  • #4004
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    The danger, IMO, is that eir could lock their modem to allow use of only their own VOIP settings, thus excluding user choice of provider.

    No. Thats not a problem.

    OE provide the ONT. OLOs provide the CPE which includes the VOIP endpoint.


  • #4005
    digiman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,278 ✭✭✭digiman


    Does the ONT have an ATA?


  • #4006
    daraghwal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭daraghwal


    digiman wrote: »
    Does the ONT have an ATA?

    No, 90% the phone would be connected directly to the F1000 modem, maybe someone could confirm


  • #4007
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    digiman wrote: »
    Does the ONT have an ATA?

    Nope. Optical, Eth, Power. Thats it.
    daraghwal wrote: »
    No, 90% the phone would be connected directly to the F1000 router, maybe someone could confirm

    Exactly, they've had the functionality in modems since the 2247.
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  • #4008
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    The danger, IMO, is that eir could lock their modem to allow use of only their own VOIP settings, thus excluding user choice of provider.
    The firmware on the modem allows you to configure a voip service, I have successfully set up the modem to connect to voipcheap for outgoing calls and there is an option to configure multiple providers and two RJ11 sockets on the box.


  • #4009
    daraghwal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭daraghwal


    So basically this then?


  • #4010
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    daraghwal wrote: »
    So basically this then?
    Yes if you want to use an analogue phone (or two), there's nothing stopping you using an ATA and connecting the phone elsewhere and connecting ethernet to it, or even using the house cat5 cables and RJ45 to RJ11 patch leads.


  • #4011
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    You can even connect your own PABX to the ATA (VOIP port). Then your home can have its own phone network :pac:


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  • #4012
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ED E wrote: »
    You can even connect your own PABX to the ATA (VOIP port). Then your home can have its own phone network :pac:
    Complete with IVR, "welcome to the dolanbaker house!"
    "press one for himself, two for the missus, three for no one son and four for daughter" :D


  • #4013
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Complete with IVR, "welcome to the dolanbaker house!"
    "press one for himself, two for the missus, three for no one son and four for daughter" :D

    Press F2 to scream at the street via the front door intercom.


  • #4014
    Silpac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭Silpac


    pegasus1 wrote: »
    Yes you would need to disconnect the phone from your cat5e..also run separate runs to each location from router's location. ie. no daisy chaining..

    I didn't know what "daisy chain" was until now and like most thing in my house- built in 2005 boom time Charlie - if there a shortcut they took it. All daisy chained !


  • #4015
    Silpac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭Silpac


    ED E wrote: »
    You can even connect your own PABX to the ATA (VOIP port). Then your home can have its own phone network :pac:

    Translated - does this mean I can jam a phone connection into the modem and it will work just like my landline ?


  • #4016
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Silpac wrote: »
    Translated - does this mean I can jam a phone connection into the modem and it will work just like my landline ?

    Yes.

    A common technique would be to feed that back into the old phone ring. To explain:
    - New FTTH link is fitted, phone port on new modem is now "live"
    - Disconnect incoming old copper phone line from master socket
    - Connect modems(router really) phone port to the master socket

    Now all the "oldschool" phone points around the house are live for the VOIP line. You can connect multiple handsets just like before and if both are picked up you'll hear each other just like before.


  • #4017
    Silpac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭Silpac


    ED E wrote: »
    Yes.

    A common technique would be to feed that back into the old phone ring. To explain:
    - New FTTH link is fitted, phone port on new modem is now "live"
    - Disconnect incoming old copper phone line from master socket
    - Connect modems(router really) phone port to the master socket

    Now all the "oldschool" phone points around the house are live for the VOIP line. You can connect multiple handsets just like before and if both are picked up you'll hear each other just like before.
    Thank you that makes sense - one Clarification for me - having done this and all the old school phone ports being live for voip - does that mean they're also also going to work as data ports where I plug in a Pc?


  • #4018
    9726_9726
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭9726_9726


    Silpac wrote: »
    Thank you that makes sense - one Clarification for me - having done this and all the old school phone ports being live for voip - does that mean they're also also going to work as data ports where I plug in a Pc?

    Not if they are daisy chained. My house is the same. Clueless sparks daisy chained just the blue pair in a loop around the house for "the phone". Total waste of Cat5e and RJ45 ports. Might as well have used a tea bag.


  • #4019
    KeRbDoG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,391 ✭✭✭KeRbDoG


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    which rather defeats the purpose of having the ATA built into the modem!

    True, but if they did try and lock it down you always have an option


  • #4020
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭plodder


    The Cush wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=102848556

    According to Section 4 of their recently revised NGA IPM, the new FTTH network is an independent network recorded against addresses and assigned new separate ARD_IDs (address reference database IDs) and eircode linked (accessible if eircode licensed) and not matched against the copper network ARD_IDs/CLI (caller line ID/telephone no.). So a premises can have separate copper and FTTH ARD_ID/eircode, once verified these ARD_IDs will be automatically or can be manually linked or merged to a single ARD_ID/eircode.

    Eircodes and copper ARD_IDs or CLIs won't match on the system until they're indexed/verified . The document states, over time the FTTH ARD_IDs will be gradually merged with the copper ARD_IDs which have been matched to eircodes.

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    All operators that have access to the open-eir Unified Gateway will have access to eircode information via the Advance PreQual file provided they have signed an NDA and are eircode licensed. The NDA appears be the reason we no longer have access to Digiweb's online checker. (section 4.1, NGA IPM)

    The problem with eircodes and telephone nos. (CLI) not matching I assume is down to the information I posted above, eircodes must be indexed/verified against the copper ARD_ID or CLI of the premises.
    I can understand why they use their own ARD identifiers internally rather than Eircodes, but it still should have been possible to create a simple lookup from Eircode to locations on the blue lines. Cleaning up the database and linking up the new ARDs with the old ones could be done independent of that.


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  • #4021
    knipex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,018 ✭✭✭knipex


    Gonzo wrote: »
    They are gonna find it difficult to sell their FTTH product with a 200 euro up front fee while Eir and I think Pure Telecom have no sign up fee's involved.

    The Eir sales reps were around my road yesterday and skipped my house, presumably because I have already ordered.

    Just had a look at their website and didn't see any reference to a signup fee.


    €54.95 per month for 150Mb broadband only
    €64.95 per month for 300Mb broadband only
    €74.95 per month for 1,000Mb broadband only

    Add €10 to add phone

    €64.95 per month for 150Mb broadband and phone
    €74.95 per month for 300Mb broadband and phone
    €84.95 per month for 1,000Mb broadband and phone

    Pure are virtually identical

    Eir have a more complicated price-plan but taking in offers and averaging cost over 12 months

    €61.25 per month for 150Mb broadband and phone
    €81.25 per month for 1,000Mb broadband and phone

    So price wise Eir are the cheapest by about €3.75 per month. BUT I have no interest in a phone and as neither Pure nor Eir seem to be interested in offering broadband only Digiweb work out cheapest for me. (although I am sure they both have a package somewhere that works out the same price as Digiweb)

    To be honest the price difference is minimal between all 3 so it comes down to customer service and if you want the extras such as mobile and \ or TV.

    I have experience of Eir's customer service. None with Digiweb or Pure but I have heard good things about digiweb.


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