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Ford Puma and rust

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  • #32
    boardsuser1
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    Augeo wrote: »
    for the cosmetic stuff not on the outside I'd sand & rustprrof with Kurust or some such stuff.
    Yeah the outside is being sanded and rustproofed.

    Underneath Is where I am baffled. a man who rebuilt those cars from scratch said the chassis is fine, the NCT inspector said it's not. i'm no expert.

    They marked it with the yellow marker and he even pulled off the paint where that was to prove it.


  • #33
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    KC161 wrote: »
    Update on this, I've had the car in dry storage ever since the NCT.

    Had a friends father look at it last night who worked for Ford in Cork for decades as a panel beater.

    He said the chassis of the car is fine, it was the sealant that was bubbling making it look like corrosion.

    Is it really possible for the NCT inspector to get something like this so wrong?

    Everything else was spot on otherwise, those being mechanical issues, brake shoes and an abs sensor.

    I wouldn't rate either's opinion overly highly tbh but without seeing the car and going off what's been shown in this topic the ex Ford lad is well off the mark.

    You're not going to put a scredriver through non corroded metal ............ bubbling sealant speel makes little sense.


  • #34
    boardsuser1
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    Augeo wrote: »
    I wouldn't rate either's opinion overly highly tbh but without seeing the car and going off what's been shown in this topic the ex Ford lad is well off the mark.

    You're not going to put a scredriver through non corroded metal ............ bubbling sealant speel makes little sense.

    The screwdriver through the metal is the only weak point underneath he said. I'll have to put it on a ramp and take proper photos.


  • #35
    Wibbs
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    Augeo wrote: »
    I wouldn't rate either's opinion overly highly tbh but without seeing the car and going off what's been shown in this topic the ex Ford lad is well off the mark.
    +1. The car is clearly rusting through the metal in the arches and worse along the bottom of the sill where it's both bubbling and delaminating.

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  • #36
    boardsuser1
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    +1. The car is clearly rusting through the metal in the arches and worse along the bottom of the sill where it's both bubbling and delaminating.

    The bottom sill where the rust is on the wing?

    I have wings gotten for it.


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  • #37
    Wibbs
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    KC161 wrote: »
    The bottom sill where the rust is on the wing?

    I have wings gotten for it.
    This pic KC https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/735011/391979.jpg Looks like the inner panels are involved too?

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  • #38
    boardsuser1
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    This pic KC https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/735011/391979.jpg Looks like the inner panels are involved too?

    Yes apologies, that is being cut and having new steel fitted.

    The NCT never done it for that piece though.

    I just posted the bad bits.


  • #39
    boardsuser1
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    Here are 2 new pictures of the same area on the chassis rail I think.

    I've been told this is paint bubbling.

    That water has gotten between the steel and paint.

    This from the same person as a few days ago.

    The sills aside everything else is sorted.


  • #40
    Neilw
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    That's bad corrosion in a bad spot, you can be sure that it has spread.
    The axle mount is very close and I wouldn't be surprised if it has been weakened too.

    Your Ford friend doesn't seem to be as knowledgeable as he thinks.


  • #41
    boardsuser1
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    Neilw wrote: »
    That's bad corrosion in a bad spot, you can be sure that it has spread.
    The axle mount is very close and I wouldn't be surprised if it has been weakened too.

    Your Ford friend doesn't seem to be as knowledgeable as he thinks.

    Definitely corrosion?

    I have zero knowledge in this area.

    That photo was taken today.


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  • #42
    Wibbs
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    KC161 wrote: »
    Definitely corrosion?
    Yep KC, definitely corrosion. Quite a bit of surface which is not so much an issue, but it's penetrated below the surface in a few spots(the darker patches) and it looks pretty corroded from the pictures.

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  • #43
    boardsuser1
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    Yep KC, definitely corrosion. Quite a bit of surface which is not so much an issue, but it's penetrated below the surface in a few spots(the darker patches) and it looks pretty corroded from the pictures.

    Cheers lads, I'll hand her in to be done this week. That was the last picture I had to post on the corrosion issue.

    Both front wings were changed.

    Both arches ground back, treated with rust stopper and filled/primed.

    Just the underbody left.

    That photo is situated next to the petrol tank at the left rear wheel.


  • #44
    Neilw
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    That whole section needs to be inspected.

    The rear beam would need to be removed and I would say that whole section of floor cut out until clean metal is found, then fresh metal welded in.
    Sorry to say but I think this car is a lost cause.


  • #45
    punisher5112
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    Its definitely not worth it as more issues will arise.


  • #46
    boardsuser1
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    Neilw wrote: »
    That whole section needs to be inspected.

    The rear beam would need to be removed and I would say that whole section of floor cut out until clean metal is found, then fresh metal welded in.
    Sorry to say but I think this car is a lost cause.

    The quote I got was respectable considering I had a Subaru Impreza front end rebuilt in 2006 at a cost of €1500

    The Puma's work is about 60/70% less of that price. I've had it looked at by several different garages, none have said it is beyond it.

    Mind you all Ford's rust.

    The AlfaSud of their day.


  • #47
    mikeoneilly
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    NCT needs to harmonise the rust and corrosion checks

    There's massive variance from one tester to another


  • #48
    boardsuser1
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    mikeoneilly wrote: »
    NCT needs to harmonise the rust and corrosion checks

    There's massive variance from one tester to another

    Happened me with a fiat years ago.

    I failed on corrosion, did nothing to the car bar cleaned up the area with a wire brush, the "corrosion" was holes built into the chassis of the car when new.

    Car passed.

    The centre where I brought it to featured on prime time I found out afterwards.


  • #49
    Jimmy Garlic
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    mikeoneilly wrote: »
    NCT needs to harmonise the rust and corrosion checks

    There's massive variance from one tester to another

    I know haha.. I had a 96 Passat that passed with well rotten sills. Chanced it and it passed. Welded the sills after the test.


  • #50
    mikeoneilly
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    KC161 wrote: »
    Happened me with a fiat years ago.

    I failed on corrosion, did nothing to the car bar cleaned up the area with a wire brush, the "corrosion" was holes built into the chassis of the car when new.

    Car passed.

    The centre where I brought it to featured on prime time I found out afterwards.

    Yep

    I've seen major discrepancies over the short term in test results

    It's not like rust and corrosion is rocket science or anything

    How well trained are the testers in this area?


  • #51
    boardsuser1
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    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    I know haha.. I had a 96 Passat that passed with well rotten sills. Chanced it and it passed. Welded the sills after the test.

    What was the cost of welding the sills or did you do it yourself?


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  • #52
    boardsuser1
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    mikeoneilly wrote: »
    Yep

    I've seen major discrepancies over the short term in test results

    It's not like rust and corrosion is rocket science or anything

    How well trained are the testers in this area?

    They are mechanics aren't they?

    The NCT is like doing the lotto.

    is NCT Tester still on boards or is he gone?


  • #53
    Jimmy Garlic
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    KC161 wrote: »
    What was the cost of welding the sills or did you do it yourself?

    Did it myself. Five fist sized hole that were very obviously fiberglassed. I cut back to good metal, made up some patches, mig welded them on then sanded primed and painted both sills black. The sills were obviously dodgy when I took it for the test but they never noticed.


  • #54
    boardsuser1
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    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    Did it myself. Five fist sized hole that were very obviously fiberglassed. I cut back to good metal, made up some patches, mig welded them on then sanded primed and painted both sills black. The sills were obviously dodgy when I took it for the test but they never noticed.

    I watched yer man do the test, took him almost an hour, other cars were in and out in 15 minutes.

    It is very common for that individual I noticed.

    Turned up with another car recently and seen him testing another car, same story. I was there 20 minutes from parking up to driving away a few weeks back.


    Is the passat gone now?


  • #55
    Jimmy Garlic
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    KC161 wrote: »
    I watched yer man do the test, took him almost an hour, other cars were in and out in 15 minutes.

    It is very common for that individual I noticed.

    Turned up with another car recently and seen him testing another car, same story. I was there 20 minutes from parking up to driving away a few weeks back.


    Is the passat gone now?

    I still have it. The trusty old 1z engine. 327k on the clock and plenty more life in it yet. I use it as my runabout now, it has been in my family since it was brand new.


  • #56
    JohnBoy26
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    That car looks like its past its sell by date tbh


  • #57
    boardsuser1
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    JohnBoy26 wrote: »
    That car looks like its past its sell by date tbh

    Pictures make it look worse than it is!


  • #58
    boardsuser1
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    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    I still have it. The trusty old 1z engine. 327k on the clock and plenty more life in it yet. I use it as my runabout now, it has been in my family since it was brand new.

    They are a great engine! That is impressive mileage on it, does it still get though the NCT with the bodywork?

    I've come across stories like yours, car bring in the family since new, so it's not worth selling it.

    Hopefully she keeps going for many years to come.


  • #59
    JohnBoy26
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    KC161 wrote: »
    Pictures make it look worse than it is!

    It's pretty much rotten where those rust holes are which im guessing is the rear area of the sill underneath the car. It's a lot more than just paint bubbling tbh.

    Tbh if it was my car id cut my losses on it and move on. You will be constantly throwing money at that car trying to fix a massive corrosion problem. There is plenty of good rust free cars out there with no corrosion problems that can be had for not a lot of money.


  • #60
    166man
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    KC161 wrote: »
    Pictures make it look worse than it is!

    Ah but our Johnboy loves nothing more than a bit of rust and some rust protection imo :pac:


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  • #61
    Hal1
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    Have a look on project puma. It will give you an idea of what needs to be done to make it road worthy again.

    Here's a thread with the same issue, corroded all around the suspension mount like on yours: http://www.projectpuma.com/viewtopic.php?t=24691


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