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Speeding ticket while in England in hire car

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  • #32
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    nosilver wrote: »
    It does all change in May though and points and fines will be interchangeable between UK and Ireland from then.

    It is due to come into force on May 7th in Ireland and the UK (and Denmark), all other EU countries already have it in place since 2015. It allows the recognition and enforcement of fines only from one EU state to another EU state. Penalty points will not be recognised in other EU states.

    Fines for the following offences will be recognised and enforceable:-
    • Speeding
    • Not using a seatbelt
    • Not stopping at a red traffic light or other mandatory stop signal
    • Drink driving
    • Driving under the influence of drugs;Not wearing a safety helmet (for motorcyclists)
    • Using a forbidden lane (such as the forbidden use of an emergency lane, a lane reserved for public transport, or a lane closed down for road works)
    • Illegally using a mobile phone, or any other communications device, while driving.


    cml387 wrote: »
    ironclaw wrote: »
    You got a source for this? I can see it taking a back seat with all the Brexit talk.

    It has nothing to do with the EU.
    It's main aim is to deal with cross border antics and is a local agreement between governments.

    It has everything to do with the EU as it is a requirement under EU Directive 2015/413/EU.

    The only bi-lateral agreement between Ireland/the UK is for the automatic recognition of driving bans.

    A ministerial regulation should be enacted before May to transpose the directive into Irish law.


    ironclaw wrote: »
    anyone have a link for such an agreement?

    http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32015L0413&from=EN


  • #33
    percy212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭percy212


    If I were you I would take the position, that I paid the ticket via the rental car company, and expected to hear nothing more about the issue. IF, and I am SURE the police have better things to do, you receive any notice from the UK authorities, just pay up - again. Otherwise, you paid your "admin fee". Such fear mongering from posters on this board.


  • #34
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,569 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Live65a846d0ee wrote: »
    Yes why would you support a government which conquered Ireland and caused misery all over.

    Utterly silly,
    I hope you never buy any products or services sold or offered by a UK registered company in that case. Good luck getting by day to day in life if don't want to contribute any money to the UK government.

    Even if you've bought something from Europe and it ships through the UK you've indirectly gave money to the uk government.


  • #35
    bear1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Live65a846d0ee wrote: »
    Yes why would you support a government which conquered Ireland and caused misery all over.

    I rarely see such ****e posts on this particular forum but there you go.
    Congratulations.


  • #36
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    nosilver wrote: »
    Eventually some do, but it is extremely rare for prosecution of someone out of state.

    If the speed was excessively above the limits, they possibly would consider it, but extremely doubtful.

    As for the Scotland story, how come its always "a friend" and never first hand direct information. FAKE NEWS.

    Piss off with the "fake news " crap. Prove its fake!

    I have seen the letter that he was sent from the procurator fiscals office and it was 100% real!


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  • #37
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    mikepajero182 wrote: »
    Well if I knew there were no repercussions I would rather spend that money somewhere else, maybe a local business?
    Yes I should have thought of that before I went 36 in a 30 zone.

    If your so concern about local business, why did you go to the UK to spend money


  • #38
    Muff Richardson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭Muff Richardson


    average_runner wrote: »
    If your so concern about local business, why did you go to the UK to spend money

    He was over there poaching new business for his local community.

    Posters often nitpick on boards looking for some kind of smart alec angle to have a go, this is a seriously piss poor attempt.


  • #39
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    All you will end up paying is the admin fee to the rental company

    With speeding fines, they will only provide your info to the police, they will never pay the actual speeding fine
    If it had been a parking fine, they would pay the fine then charge you for the fine + admin fee

    For speeding fines they just charge you the admin fee.

    In all my experience, I have never spoken to an irish person who actually received a speeding fine from the uk (with respect to rentals). In my experience it appears that the police don't issue a fine once they are informed it was a renter from another country.

    Do pay the admin fee,
    Forget about an actual fine


  • #40
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    OP, if you don't pay it, do not get caught speeding in UK again. Eight years ago I was caught by camera in my moto cycle but went home to Italy and ignore it. Two years ago I was caught by policeman in rented car and he knew the old speeding. I went to the court and it cost £1250.00


  • #41
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    OP, if you don't pay it, do not get caught speeding in UK again. Eight years ago I was caught by camera in my moto cycle but went home to Italy and ignore it. Two years ago I was caught by policeman in rented car and he knew the old speeding. I went to the court and it cost £1250.00


    So the speeding offence wasn't in a rental. Was the bike registered in the uk?

    There is no fine as none has been issued


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  • #42
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So the speeding offence wasn't in a rental. Was the bike registered in the uk?

    There is no fine as none has been issued

    It makes no difference if it was a rental car, foreign motorbike etc. A fine has been issued as the hire company in the OP has been in touch.

    The hire company has to provide (as do all vehicle owners) the name of the person driving. If they or a vehicle owner refuses to supply that info to the police, it is perverting the course of justice, something the UK takes very seriously.


  • #43
    [Deleted User]
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    prinzeugen wrote: »
    It makes no difference if it was a rental car, foreign motorbike etc. A fine has been issued as the hire company in the OP has been in touch.

    The hire company has to provide (as do all vehicle owners) the name of the person driving. If they or a vehicle owner refuses to supply that info to the police, it is perverting the course of justice, something the UK takes very seriously.

    No fine has been issued
    Police just request renters info, not a request for payment of a fine


  • #44
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Some of the replies on this are so self-righteous and scroungey. So much plotting and what-ifing just to get out of a £60 ticket with absolutely no chance of getting points regardless.

    Pay the damn fine, OP. Then the problem goes away.


  • #45
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    sdanseo wrote: »
    Some of the replies on this are so self-righteous and scroungey. So much plotting and what-ifing just to get out of a £60 ticket with absolutely no chance of getting points regardless.

    Pay the damn fine, OP. Funny thing is, then the problem goes away.

    Funny thing is there is no actual fine!!!!
    How can he pay something which does not exist?

    Op, did you actually receive a speeding fine from the police?


  • #46
    mikepajero182
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 ✭✭mikepajero182


    sdanseo wrote: »
    Some of the replies on this are so self-righteous and scroungey. So much plotting and what-ifing just to get out of a £60 ticket with absolutely no chance of getting points regardless.

    Pay the damn fine, OP. Then the problem goes away.

    I haven't received a fine.


  • #47
    mikepajero182
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 ✭✭mikepajero182


    average_runner wrote: »
    If your so concern about local business, why did you go to the UK to spend money

    0/10 for effort


  • #48
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    mikepajero182 wrote: »
    I haven't received a fine.

    And I'll buy and eat my hat if you ever do

    This thread has been 4 pages of fear mongering, incorrect info and high horseyness. Particularly this very page

    Sleep well op :-)


  • #49
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    No fine has been issued
    Police just request renters info, not a request for payment of a fine

    The OP will get one at some point and if he does.. Pay it if you ever want to visit the UK again.

    The UK has info that the Statsi would be proud of. There is no getting out of anything there.


  • #50
    [Deleted User]
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    prinzeugen wrote: »
    The OP will get one at some point

    this is a topic I was involved with for many many years on a daily basis. I am giving the op an honest answer (based on my experience)

    There is no truth in your comment


  • #51
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    This 2012 article gives an idea of the situation currently (obviously set to change from May).

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/313289/Foreign-speeders-escape-4m-fines/amp



    Turner wrote: »
    They cannot serve a summons on you in Ireland, the same as the Gardai cannot serve a summons on a person in the UK.

    No warrant will be issued for your arrest, for a warrant to be issued you first have to be summonsed or charged to appear in court (and then not show up)

    Incorrect, they can and do issue a summons and service of the summons can be effected outside the state under statute (as per International Law) both here and in the UK (summons can currently be issued between Ireland and as many as 50 other countries at present for criminal proceedings), it isn't as common as it should be, but does happen when an address is known. You can't be sanctioned for failing to appear under such a summons outside the jurisdiction and so no warrant for arrest can be made, but you can be prosecuted and fined in your absence.

    Some successful prosecutions have been brought, however, if police can identify foreign speeders at the roadside after catching them in the act.

    "As a result of this activity, summonses have been successfully served abroad, resulting in convictions in UK courts".


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  • #52
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    this is a topic I was involved with for many many years on a daily basis. I am giving the op an honest answer (based on my experience)

    There is no truth in your comment

    Can you prove, for the benefit of anyone that views this thread, that I am lying?

    Don't say there is no truth in what I say unless you can back it up!


  • #53
    Dionysius2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭Dionysius2


    average_runner wrote: »
    If you were speeding, why wouldn't you pay?
    Because we have a strong inclination to disregard the law and we are masters at muddying the waters for those who have the audacity to attempt to force us to honour our obligations. We are all honest unfortunate people corrupted by circumstances.


  • #54
    Live65a846d0ee
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 209 ✭✭Live65a846d0ee


    Dionysius2 wrote: »
    Because we have a strong inclination to disregard the law and we are masters at muddying the waters for those who have the audacity to get us to honour our obligations. We are all honest unfortunate people corrupted by circumstances.


    You never made a mistake in your life? LAWS ARE CREATED BY MAN NOT BY GOD.


  • #55
    Dionysius2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭Dionysius2


    The best country to try this non paying approach is Australia. The Aussies only do Black or White though and never touch Grey.


  • #56
    [Deleted User]
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    prinzeugen wrote: »
    Can you prove, for the benefit of anyone that views this thread, that I am lying?

    Don't say there is no truth in what I say unless you can back it up!

    I never said you were lying
    There is a difference between saying something that has no truth, and lying
    It's only a lie if you intentionally say something which you know is untrue
    So if you believe the op will receive a fine that's ok. I believe there is no truth in it based on many years of experience


  • #57
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Muff Richardson wrote: »
    He was over there poaching new business for his local community.

    Posters often nitpick on boards looking for some kind of smart alec angle to have a go, this is a seriously piss poor attempt.

    I wasnt nitpicking. He said he wouldn't pay the fine as rather it go to local businesses which is bull.

    Do the crime pay the fine. People need to accept their actions, no excuses


  • #58
    mikepajero182
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 ✭✭mikepajero182


    average_runner wrote: »
    I wasnt nitpicking. He said he wouldn't pay the fine as rather it go to local businesses which is bull.

    Do the crime pay the fine. People need to accept their actions, no excuses

    I didn't say that, I said if I knew there was no repercussions I would rather spend the money elsewhere and offered a local business as an example.
    I am astounded you a problem with this. Lol


  • #59
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    mikepajero182 wrote: »
    I didn't say that, I said if I knew there was no repercussions I would rather spend the money elsewhere and offered a local business as an example.
    I am astounded you a problem with this. Lol

    There is a repercussion, you got caught.


  • #60
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    mikepajero182 wrote: »
    I haven't received a fine.

    You incurred one which was sent to the registered owner of the vehicle. It's the same thing, in the context in which it was intended.
    mikepajero182 wrote: »
    I didn't say that, I said if I knew there was no repercussions I would rather spend the money elsewhere and offered a local business as an example.
    I am astounded you a problem with this. Lol

    But there are repercussions - many of which have been demonstrated here.

    I'm not sitting on any high horse here, we've all driven a bit too fast. But when you can't get points and we're talking about either £60 to make the issue go away or potentially being arrested the next time you're stopped in the UK - I know what I'd be doing.


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  • #61
    pa990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭pa990


    GM228 wrote: »
    This 2012 article gives an idea of the situation currently (obviously set to change from May).

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/313289/Foreign-speeders-escape-4m-fines/amp






    Incorrect, they can and do issue a summons and service of the summons can be effected outside the state under statute (as per International Law) both here and in the UK (summons can currently be issued between Ireland and as many as 50 other countries at present for criminal proceedings), it isn't as common as it should be, but does happen when an address is known. You can't be sanctioned for failing to appear under such a summons outside the jurisdiction and so no warrant for arrest can be made, but you can be prosecuted and fined in your absence.

    No.. they cant and wont serve a UK summons here.

    as for the exchange of info.. that has been hit with a few glitches, and wont be happening anytime soon.. and with Brexit.. it'll be many many if years if never.


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