Speeding ticket while in England in hire car

mikepajero182

Ok, just got a letter from the hire company, an administration fee for passing my details on to police as I got a speeding ticket while in England two weeks ago. I have an Irish license.
Anyone know whats the deal?
Will I get points?
What happens if I choose not to pay?
Thanks

Atlantic Dawn

You won't currently get points. If you don't pay the hire company will attempt to get the money from you as you have agreed to be liable to such fines when you signed the rental agreement, not sure if this will mean a rebill through your credit card or chase you with bad debt handler.

bazz26

You won't get points but if you refuse to pay then most likely the hire company will take it off your credit card along with maybe another admin fee for doing it.

Canis Lupus

Pay it, the hire company will likely charge whatever card you gave them at time of hire. You could cancel that card to prevent such a thing happening but what happens after that I don't know. I would assume if said company is global it might be trivial for them to come after you in Ireland. They know where you live after all...

average_runner

mikepajero182 wrote: »

Ok, just got a letter from the hire company, an administration fee for passing my details on to police as I got a speeding ticket while in England two weeks ago. I have an Irish license.
Anyone know whats the deal?
Will I get points?
What happens if I choose not to pay?
Thanks

If you were speeding, why wouldn't you pay?

ironclaw

Canis Lupus wrote: »

l it might be trivial for them to come after you in Ireland. They know where you live after all...

They'll just blacklist your licence on their system. I know a few people, mainly related to the exotic rallies in the US, who can't hire from Hertz or Budget any more.

mikepajero182

So I phoned the hire company who said it is nothing to do with them anymore, all they do is pass on details. And they do not know what will happen if I don't pay.
Guess I will wait to see what comes in post.

mikepajero182

average_runner wrote: »

If you were speeding, why wouldn't you pay?

Well if I knew there were no repercussions I would rather spend that money somewhere else, maybe a local business?
Yes I should have thought of that before I went 36 in a 30 zone.

aujopimur

If you intend returning to the UK, pay it,

prinzeugen

If you don't pay the fine it goes to court.
If you don't go to court they will issue an arrest warrant for you.

ballsymchugh

they'll pass on your details to the police, and it's up to them to chase you for it then.

i had a similar fine for overstaying in a car park a few years ago, go to the airport well ahead of time, so decided to take a nap in maccy d's car park before giving the car back. rental company took the admin fee off me, but that was as far as it went.

Terrontress

They won't go to court. They have pre-authorisation against your credit card. Probably £1,200 sterling. They will lift the money from that and charge oyu more admin. If you close the card, they still can put the charge through, just like if you buy something the morning that you close your card. Closing it does not absolve you of responsibility.

pa990

aujopimur wrote: »

If you intend returning to the UK, pay it,

But if you return in a different reg car, ... I wouldn't worry

pa990

prinzeugen wrote: »

If you don't pay the fine it goes to court.
If you don't go to court they will issue an arrest warrant for you.

And if you are non resident, that warrant will be cancelled after 12 or 18 months,.

A European arrest warrant won't be issued for such a minor offence.


And this time next year they won't even be in the EU.


Drive on....

prinzeugen

pa990 wrote: »

And if you are non resident, that warrant will be cancelled after 12 or 18 months,.

A European arrest warrant won't be issued for such a minor offence.


And this time next year they won't even be in the EU.


Drive on....

Warrants never expire. If the OP does not pay they will be arrested next time they fly to the UK.

They are stopping people going on holiday for unpaid fines now also.

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/holidaymakers-with-unpaid-fines-face-airport-arrest-1-3814543

Live65a846d0ee

prinzeugen wrote: »

Warrants never expire. If the OP does not pay they will be arrested next time they fly to the UK.

They are stopping people going on holiday for unpaid fines now also.

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/holidaymakers-with-unpaid-fines-face-airport-arrest-1-3814543

Don't listen to the liars who say you will get arrested. Yes you didn't pay a ticket for a CAR PARK, Jesus if they see you then you are done buddy. Armed response will be called and then you will be arrested and brought to high court in front of panel of 20 judges who will demand that you explain yourself. I don't know if posters have nothing better to do with their lives than to scare monger people for absolutely no reason.
In short don't pat, nothing will happen, get a new card and they will not be able to withdraw the money if they decide to get smart.

pa990

prinzeugen wrote: »

Warrants never expire. If the OP does not pay they will be arrested next time they fly to the UK.

They are stopping people going on holiday for unpaid fines now also.

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/holidaymakers-with-unpaid-fines-face-airport-arrest-1-3814543

Warrants are regularly cancelled when the suspect offender has no expectation of returning to the relevant state.

nosilver

Car hire company will not charge your card as no fine has been attached to the car unlike parking and tolls.

Uk police will not pursue it any further - similarly gardai don't pursue British cars.

It does all change in May though and points and fines will be interchangeable between UK and Ireland from then.

mikepajero182

nosilver wrote: »

Car hire company will not charge your card as no fine has been attached to the car unlike parking and tolls.

Uk police will not pursue it any further - similarly gardai don't pursue British cars.

It does all change in May though and points and fines will be interchangeable between UK and Ireland from then.

You don't think they will even send out the fine to me?

thadg

mikepajero182 wrote: »

Ok, just got a letter from the hire company, an administration fee for passing my details on to police as I got a speeding ticket while in England two weeks ago. I have an Irish license.
Anyone know whats the deal?
Will I get points?
What happens if I choose not to pay?
Thanks

happened me last year. pay the admin fee from the car hire company. I paid it and never got a speeding fine , or heard anymore. I have driven and hired cars in the uk since with no problem. its up to them to send the speeding ticket to the irish address which they usually don't bother doing

mikepajero182

thadg wrote: »

happened me last year. pay the admin fee from the car hire company. I paid it and never got a speeding fine , or heard anymore. I have driven and hired cars in the uk since with no problem. its up to them to send the speeding ticket to the irish address which they usually don't bother doing

That's already paid, came off my card.
Hopefully I'll have the same outcome as you.
Thank you

Turner

You could always tell the hire company you wish to contest the speeding offence in court, ie plead not guilty. That is what I probably would do.

It is up to the UK authorities to then summons you to appear in court and prove their case.

They cannot serve a summons on you in Ireland, the same as the Gardai cannot serve a summons on a person in the UK.

No warrant will be issued for your arrest, for a warrant to be issued you first have to be summonsed or charged to appear in court (and then not show up)

mikepajero182

Turner wrote: »

You could always tell the hire company you wish to contest the speeding offence in court, ie plead not guilty. That is what I probably would do.

It is up to the UK authorities to then summons you to appear in court and prove their case.

They cannot serve a summons on you in Ireland, the same as the Gardai cannot serve a summons on a person in the UK.

No warrant will be issued for your arrest, for a warrant to be issued you first have to be summonsed or charged to appear in court (and then not show up)

The hire company have told me it is nothing to do with them anymore, all they do is pass on my details.

prinzeugen

Live65a846d0ee wrote: »

Don't listen to the liars who say you will get arrested. Yes you didn't pay a ticket for a CAR PARK, Jesus if they see you then you are done buddy. Armed response will be called and then you will be arrested and brought to high court in front of panel of 20 judges who will demand that you explain yourself. I don't know if posters have nothing better to do with their lives than to scare monger people for absolutely no reason.
In short don't pat, nothing will happen, get a new card and they will not be able to withdraw the money if they decide to get smart.

Eh.. Please go back and read the OP. Its a SPEEDING ticket not a parking ticket they are on about.

Its even in the thread title ffs!

Speeding tickets will get you hauled before the courts.

I know personally of someone living here that got caught speeding in Scotland. He did not pay the fine and got a letter telling him to pay the fine online or appear at xxx court on xxx date otherwise a warrant would be issued for his arrest.

Now as others have said, if the OP has no intention of ever going back to the UK, then no problem.

ironclaw

nosilver wrote: »

It does all change in May though and points and fines will be interchangeable between UK and Ireland from then.

You got a source for this? I can see it taking a back seat with all the Brexit talk.

cml387

ironclaw wrote: »

You got a source for this? I can see it taking a back seat with all the Brexit talk.

It has nothing to do with the EU.
It's main aim is to deal with cross border antics and is a local agreement between governments.

Live65a846d0ee

cml387 wrote: »

It has nothing to do with the EU.
It's main aim is to deal with cross border antics and is a local agreement between governments.

Fake news?

sbsquarepants

average_runner wrote: »

If you were speeding, why wouldn't you pay?

if you don't have to pay, why would you?

Live65a846d0ee

sbsquarepants wrote: »

if you don't have to pay, why would you?

Yes why would you support a government which conquered Ireland and caused misery all over.

nosilver

prinzeugen wrote: »

Speeding tickets will get you hauled before the courts.

Eventually some do, but it is extremely rare for prosecution of someone out of state.

If the speed was excessively above the limits, they possibly would consider it, but extremely doubtful.

As for the Scotland story, how come its always "a friend" and never first hand direct information. FAKE NEWS.

ironclaw

cml387 wrote: »

It has nothing to do with the EU.
It's main aim is to deal with cross border antics and is a local agreement between governments.

I never said it had anything to do with the EU. I was merely saying Brexit negotiations and talks would probably take prescient. Also, given all the upheaval in the north, it wouldn't surprise me if a revision was needed. Furthermore, considering we don't have a joined up system for tax, NCT and penalty points, I really doubt such legislation would even do much good considering it would be un-comparable with the UK.

Like I said, anyone have a link for such an agreement?

GM228

nosilver wrote: »

It does all change in May though and points and fines will be interchangeable between UK and Ireland from then.

It is due to come into force on May 7th in Ireland and the UK (and Denmark), all other EU countries already have it in place since 2015. It allows the recognition and enforcement of fines only from one EU state to another EU state. Penalty points will not be recognised in other EU states.

Fines for the following offences will be recognised and enforceable:-

• Speeding
• Not using a seatbelt
• Not stopping at a red traffic light or other mandatory stop signal
• Drink driving
• Driving under the influence of drugs;Not wearing a safety helmet (for motorcyclists)
• Using a forbidden lane (such as the forbidden use of an emergency lane, a lane reserved for public transport, or a lane closed down for road works)
• Illegally using a mobile phone, or any other communications device, while driving.

cml387 wrote: »

ironclaw wrote: »

You got a source for this? I can see it taking a back seat with all the Brexit talk.

It has nothing to do with the EU.
It's main aim is to deal with cross border antics and is a local agreement between governments.

It has everything to do with the EU as it is a requirement under EU Directive 2015/413/EU.

The only bi-lateral agreement between Ireland/the UK is for the automatic recognition of driving bans.

A ministerial regulation should be enacted before May to transpose the directive into Irish law.

ironclaw wrote: »

anyone have a link for such an agreement?

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32015L0413&from=EN

percy212

If I were you I would take the position, that I paid the ticket via the rental car company, and expected to hear nothing more about the issue. IF, and I am SURE the police have better things to do, you receive any notice from the UK authorities, just pay up - again. Otherwise, you paid your "admin fee". Such fear mongering from posters on this board.

Cabaal

Live65a846d0ee wrote: »

Yes why would you support a government which conquered Ireland and caused misery all over.

Utterly silly,
I hope you never buy any products or services sold or offered by a UK registered company in that case. Good luck getting by day to day in life if don't want to contribute any money to the UK government.

Even if you've bought something from Europe and it ships through the UK you've indirectly gave money to the uk government.

bear1

Live65a846d0ee wrote: »

Yes why would you support a government which conquered Ireland and caused misery all over.

I rarely see such ****e posts on this particular forum but there you go.
Congratulations.

prinzeugen

nosilver wrote: »

Eventually some do, but it is extremely rare for prosecution of someone out of state.

If the speed was excessively above the limits, they possibly would consider it, but extremely doubtful.

As for the Scotland story, how come its always "a friend" and never first hand direct information. FAKE NEWS.

Piss off with the "fake news " crap. Prove its fake!

I have seen the letter that he was sent from the procurator fiscals office and it was 100% real!

average_runner

mikepajero182 wrote: »

Well if I knew there were no repercussions I would rather spend that money somewhere else, maybe a local business?
Yes I should have thought of that before I went 36 in a 30 zone.

If your so concern about local business, why did you go to the UK to spend money

Muff Richardson

average_runner wrote: »

If your so concern about local business, why did you go to the UK to spend money

He was over there poaching new business for his local community.

Posters often nitpick on boards looking for some kind of smart alec angle to have a go, this is a seriously piss poor attempt.

All you will end up paying is the admin fee to the rental company

With speeding fines, they will only provide your info to the police, they will never pay the actual speeding fine
If it had been a parking fine, they would pay the fine then charge you for the fine + admin fee

For speeding fines they just charge you the admin fee.

In all my experience, I have never spoken to an irish person who actually received a speeding fine from the uk (with respect to rentals). In my experience it appears that the police don't issue a fine once they are informed it was a renter from another country.

Do pay the admin fee,
Forget about an actual fine

OP, if you don't pay it, do not get caught speeding in UK again. Eight years ago I was caught by camera in my moto cycle but went home to Italy and ignore it. Two years ago I was caught by policeman in rented car and he knew the old speeding. I went to the court and it cost £1250.00

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

OP, if you don't pay it, do not get caught speeding in UK again. Eight years ago I was caught by camera in my moto cycle but went home to Italy and ignore it. Two years ago I was caught by policeman in rented car and he knew the old speeding. I went to the court and it cost £1250.00

So the speeding offence wasn't in a rental. Was the bike registered in the uk?

There is no fine as none has been issued

prinzeugen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So the speeding offence wasn't in a rental. Was the bike registered in the uk?

There is no fine as none has been issued

It makes no difference if it was a rental car, foreign motorbike etc. A fine has been issued as the hire company in the OP has been in touch.

The hire company has to provide (as do all vehicle owners) the name of the person driving. If they or a vehicle owner refuses to supply that info to the police, it is perverting the course of justice, something the UK takes very seriously.

prinzeugen

prinzeugen wrote: »

It makes no difference if it was a rental car, foreign motorbike etc. A fine has been issued as the hire company in the OP has been in touch.

The hire company has to provide (as do all vehicle owners) the name of the person driving. If they or a vehicle owner refuses to supply that info to the police, it is perverting the course of justice, something the UK takes very seriously.

No fine has been issued
Police just request renters info, not a request for payment of a fine

sdanseo

Some of the replies on this are so self-righteous and scroungey. So much plotting and what-ifing just to get out of a £60 ticket with absolutely no chance of getting points regardless.

Pay the damn fine, OP. Then the problem goes away.

sdanseo

sdanseo wrote: »

Some of the replies on this are so self-righteous and scroungey. So much plotting and what-ifing just to get out of a £60 ticket with absolutely no chance of getting points regardless.

Pay the damn fine, OP. Funny thing is, then the problem goes away.

Funny thing is there is no actual fine!!!!
How can he pay something which does not exist?

Op, did you actually receive a speeding fine from the police?

mikepajero182

sdanseo wrote: »

Some of the replies on this are so self-righteous and scroungey. So much plotting and what-ifing just to get out of a £60 ticket with absolutely no chance of getting points regardless.

Pay the damn fine, OP. Then the problem goes away.

I haven't received a fine.

mikepajero182

average_runner wrote: »

If your so concern about local business, why did you go to the UK to spend money

0/10 for effort

mikepajero182

mikepajero182 wrote: »

I haven't received a fine.

And I'll buy and eat my hat if you ever do

This thread has been 4 pages of fear mongering, incorrect info and high horseyness. Particularly this very page

Sleep well op :-)

prinzeugen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No fine has been issued
Police just request renters info, not a request for payment of a fine

The OP will get one at some point and if he does.. Pay it if you ever want to visit the UK again.

The UK has info that the Statsi would be proud of. There is no getting out of anything there.

prinzeugen

prinzeugen wrote: »

The OP will get one at some point

this is a topic I was involved with for many many years on a daily basis. I am giving the op an honest answer (based on my experience)

There is no truth in your comment

GM228

This 2012 article gives an idea of the situation currently (obviously set to change from May).

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/313289/Foreign-speeders-escape-4m-fines/amp

Turner wrote: »

They cannot serve a summons on you in Ireland, the same as the Gardai cannot serve a summons on a person in the UK.

No warrant will be issued for your arrest, for a warrant to be issued you first have to be summonsed or charged to appear in court (and then not show up)

Incorrect, they can and do issue a summons and service of the summons can be effected outside the state under statute (as per International Law) both here and in the UK (summons can currently be issued between Ireland and as many as 50 other countries at present for criminal proceedings), it isn't as common as it should be, but does happen when an address is known. You can't be sanctioned for failing to appear under such a summons outside the jurisdiction and so no warrant for arrest can be made, but you can be prosecuted and fined in your absence.

Some successful prosecutions have been brought, however, if police can identify foreign speeders at the roadside after catching them in the act.

"As a result of this activity, summonses have been successfully served abroad, resulting in convictions in UK courts".