Dairy chit chat II

Signpost · 05-03-2017 09:57PM

Young cow with good breeding behind her so be disappointed to loose her if could be avoided. Will try the sensitivity test on it just to see what comes back, would a normal sample bottle do for it or does it need to be factory sterilised?
In worst case scenario is there any advantage in trying to dry 1 quarter rather than straight off to the factory?

C0N0R · 06-03-2017 03:55AM

Signpost wrote: »

Young cow with good breeding behind her so be disappointed to loose her if could be avoided. Will try the sensitivity test on it just to see what comes back, would a normal sample bottle do for it or does it need to be factory sterilised?
In worst case scenario is there any advantage in trying to dry 1 quarter rather than straight off to the factory?

Is the cow sick or is it just the quarter? What are the rest of the quarters like? If the infection was contained in the quarter and not effecting the rest of the cow I'd be inclined to kill the quarter and milk her on. Depends if the infection was just in that quarter or not.

kowtow · 07-03-2017 12:33AM

freedominacup your inbox is full again.

I reckon you should unsubscribe to some of those "special" boards message services. You could go blind.

freedominacup · 07-03-2017 07:37AM

kowtow wrote: »

freedominacup your inbox is full again.

I reckon you should unsubscribe to some of those "special" boards message services. You could go blind.

I'm at a loss. Try it now.

alps · 07-03-2017 03:57PM

Slipping through ICBF data here to pull out a few cows for sale. This is a good one...

Top 6 cows on net milk value sold..Ave EBI 88
Bottom ranked on milk sold Av EBI 104..

Which ones should we sell...

wats the craic · 07-03-2017 04:28PM

alps wrote: »

Slipping through ICBF data here to pull out a few cows for sale. This is a good one...

Top 6 cows on net milk value sold..Ave EBI 88
Bottom ranked on milk sold Av EBI 104..

Which ones should we sell...

what are their fert ebi

pedigree 6 · 07-03-2017 04:44PM

I was going to get my yearling heifers genomically tested as I have some to sell.
Only now to find out that they can't test crossbred animals.
ICBF can only test females with 94% Holstein/Friesian parentage.

That leaves me with only half of the heifers I can test.:rolleyes:

I thought you could test for milk yield, protein, fat, fertility, regardless in the blood or hair samples?

I'm sure I've seen crossbred sires in the LIC catalogue genomically tested.

(The ones I can't test have Montbeliarde breeding in them).

Buford T. Justice XIX · 07-03-2017 04:55PM

alps wrote: »

Slipping through ICBF data here to pull out a few cows for sale. This is a good one...

Top 6 cows on net milk value sold..Ave EBI 88
Bottom ranked on milk sold Av EBI 104..

Which ones should we sell...

Unless they are genomically tested, their EBI figure is just an estimate based on the bulls average and their recorded figures and their mothers and fathers figures.

Unless you plan to breed for EBI, sell your worst cows.

kowtow · 07-03-2017 04:59PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

I was going to get my yearling heifers genomically tested as I have some to sell.
Only now to find out that they can't test crossbred animals.
ICBF can only test females with 94% Holstein/Friesian parentage.

That leaves me with only half of the heifers I can test.:rolleyes:

I thought you could test for milk yield, protein, fat, fertility, regardless in the blood or hair samples?

I'm sure I've seen crossbred sires in the LIC catalogue genomically tested.

(The ones I can't test have Montbeliarde breeding in them).

Only one of my cows has an EBI, and she is empty and high scc - so won't be with us long.

Most of the youngstock does and all this years calves of course will have half the sire's EBI.

I'm tempted to genomically test the whole lot just to see what it tells me, what are the conditions (how much non HO/FR breeding is allowed?) and what would the practical benefits be - what kind of information could I expect to get back and would it help me in choosing AI sires for example?

I can see that there would be few economic benefits but for a small number of cows many of whom could be with us a while yet it might make sense in the interest of completeness?

pedigree 6 · 07-03-2017 05:13PM

kowtow wrote: »

Only one of my cows has an EBI, and she is empty and high scc - so won't be with us long.

Most of the youngstock does and all this years calves of course will have half the sire's EBI.

I'm tempted to genomically test the whole lot just to see what it tells me, what are the conditions (how much non HO/FR breeding is allowed?) and what would the practical benefits be - what kind of information could I expect to get back and would it help me in choosing AI sires for example?

I can see that there would be few economic benefits but for a small number of cows many of whom could be with us a while yet it might make sense in the interest of completeness?

It can only be 6% of non Holstein friesian to get tested.
Looks like I will have excess heifers to sell every year from now on. So I thought this would be a great tool to use to pick replacements.

To hell with that though some of my best cows have montbeliarde breeding in them.
I might even in the future use a montbeliarde bull back on the cows.
I don't want to get limited to using one breed.

Balls anyway. That's genomics gone for me. Pity.

Edit:
Genomics is supposed to tell you
Fertility, milk yield, protein, fat.

Still mad.

I wonder would any private companies cater for me?

Buford T. Justice XIX · 07-03-2017 05:36PM

GDT falls again!

kowtow · 07-03-2017 07:30PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

It can only be 6% of non Holstein friesian to get tested.
Looks like I will have excess heifers to sell every year from now on. So I thought this would be a great tool to use to pick replacements.

To hell with that though some of my best cows have montbeliarde breeding in them.
I might even in the future use a montbeliarde bull back on the cows.
I don't want to get limited to using one breed.

Balls anyway. That's genomics gone for me. Pity.

Edit:
Genomics is supposed to tell you
Fertility, milk yield, protein, fat.

Still mad.

I wonder would any private companies cater for me?

Looking at mine the original lot never quite make it to 94%... all the rest is either MO or unknown, presumably because the stock bulls weren't identified. I can find the dams on ICBF but not the sires.

So I could only genomically test the new AI calves or the few replacement heifer calves we bought in last year, all of which are the ones with EBI anyway.

Might be an idea to do it for them before selecting bulls. I wonder would it tell me much more than icbf does anyway though?

Edit: I just looked at ICBF on the Genomics Services page and it claims that genotyping is possible for most of them.. even the ones with no sires and less than 94% HO ... so now I am even more confused.

The only one it says not possible for has a lot of Rotbunt in her.

pedigree 6 · 07-03-2017 08:32PM

All my stock bulls I've used were genomically tested and I've always put down the bulls tag number when registering the calves. So the sires are recorded.
And before that it was ai and they were recorded too.

I may ring Michael.:D

Never wrestle with pigs · 07-03-2017 11:11PM

Do ye find ambic ai alert or scratch pads better for picking up heats?

GrasstoMilk · 08-03-2017 08:43AM

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Do ye find ambic ai alert or scratch pads better for picking up heats?

Use the ambic alerts here but put carpet glue on with it. I've heifers I put them on a month ago and there still on.
Use 2 coats of carpet glue

mickey1985 · 08-03-2017 11:26AM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Use the ambic alerts here but put carpet glue on with it. I've heifers I put them on a month ago and there still on.
Use 2 coats of carpet glue

Where do you buy the carpet glue and any particular brand?

stagg88 · 08-03-2017 11:55AM

Was going to start milking a couple of poor conditioned cows once a day to try get a bit of flesh on them before breeding season. Just worried a bit about cell count. can I strigg them in the evening when they come in and I'm not milking them to try keep cell count down or could this make it wore? Anyone any expience with OAD milking light cows in spring to get em back in calf?

mahoney_j · 08-03-2017 01:03PM

stagg88 wrote: »

Was going to start milking a couple of poor conditioned cows once a day to try get a bit of flesh on them before breeding season. Just worried a bit about cell count. can I strigg them in the evening when they come in and I'm not milking them to try keep cell count down or could this make it wore? Anyone any expience with OAD milking light cows in spring to get em back in calf?

It's the only job for poor bcs cows ,just milk in am but run through parlour in evening and feed as normal but don't milk ,scc shouldn't be an issue unless there's already an underlying problem ,a question that needs to. E asked tho is why cows are thin/let go thin......

stagg88 · 08-03-2017 01:10PM

Yeah valid point. Have only a few one had a set of monster twins never recovered, two are border line and not that overly bad and one I'd say will need a blood test she looks bad now lost alot of condition over the year last 2 months

C0N0R · 08-03-2017 06:00PM

The time has come for us at home to exit dairy, dispersal sale is scheduled for 21st of March at home (Monaghan).

Sale catalogue is available online for anyone that may be interested.

https://issuu.com/taaffeauctions/docs/chiangmai_sale_web

Mods I hope it's not an issue posting this.

Thanks

visatorro · 08-03-2017 06:39PM

C0N0R wrote: »

The time has come for us at home to exit dairy, dispersal sale is scheduled for 21st of March at home (Monaghan).

Sale catalogue is available online for anyone that may be interested.

https://issuu.com/taaffeauctions/docs/chiangmai_sale_web

Mods I hope it's not an issue posting this.

Thanks

Best of luck. Are you going to stay working aboard?

C0N0R · 08-03-2017 06:45PM

visatorro wrote: »

C0N0R wrote: »

The time has come for us at home to exit dairy, dispersal sale is scheduled for 21st of March at home (Monaghan).

Sale catalogue is available online for anyone that may be interested.

https://issuu.com/taaffeauctions/docs/chiangmai_sale_web

Mods I hope it's not an issue posting this.

Thanks

Best of luck. Are you going to stay working aboard?

Yea no plans to move home at the moment anyway. Happy out here, giving me a better life than home ever would.

yewtree · 08-03-2017 10:30PM

Amazing what a good drying day will do, I set reels up this evening and it was hard to believe how ground had dried.
Cows were really content today aswell grazing, I went to get them today after 3 hours out and they were all lying down left them for another hour and they were full as ticks coming in.

visatorro · 09-03-2017 02:18PM

Ready for action. Let them out hungry at twelve. Didn't stop them ru running round for half an hour but heads down now.

visatorro · 09-03-2017 04:03PM

Cows out!! Won't let me post pictures for some reason.

blue5000 · 09-03-2017 04:46PM

http://agrismart.co.uk/northern-ireland-dairy-farmers-received-exit-letters-banks/

Is the 25% figure correct?

alps · 10-03-2017 04:47PM

Throwing a stab at silage cost figures here....buddy of mine normally sells standing silage and has asked me if we could come to some arrangement. His ground has been relatively fresh, with ph exceptional and pk status low4..

Question is , could we achieve a 9 tonne dm yield over 2 cuts?

At 9 tonnes, would cost €170/ tonne, so yield extremely important here...

Keepgrowing · 10-03-2017 06:01PM

alps wrote: »

Throwing a stab at silage cost figures here....buddy of mine normally sells standing silage and has asked me if we could come to some arrangement. His ground has been relatively fresh, with ph exceptional and pk status low4..

Question is , could we achieve a 9 tonne dm yield over 2 cuts?

At 9 tonnes, would cost €170/ tonne, so yield extremely important here...

We took a silage cut last year. €150/ac for 2 cuts.
If baling it's €10/bale made

Buford T. Justice XIX · 12-03-2017 11:24PM

Had a rough week here, 16 calved, 9 heifers in them, all between 3 and 5 am every morning. Two heifers had really hard calvings and were down along with a cow slipping in the cubicles and a dry heifer getting stuck in a cubicle and a yearling heifer hurting her back in the loose shed.

Then 2 of the heifers wouldn't settle milking, one kicking the cluster off as soon as I'd gone to put on another cluster and another moving up and down through the cows and heifers while milking.

Anyway, this morning, the two heifers and the cow stood so I milked them. After milking, the dry heifer stood and went looking for ration. The yearling heifer was in the sheep tunnel and she stood this evening when I was feeding the sheep some nuts.

Then all the animals were quiet during milking, no fuss or bother.

It's a good feeling when things click into place finally.:)

Nothing close to calving tonight so off to do a quick check of the yard and off to bed for the whole night.

I've probably jinxed it now, haven't I?:pac:

visatorro · 13-03-2017 12:13AM

Had three calves born stillborn over the course of the season, the navals were ruptured. Calves fully formed and heifers calved themselves. Just wondering if anyone knows anything about this. All the other batch doing well. All from same bull

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