Strike For Repeal?

fatknacker · 07-03-2017 04:09PM #1

Anyone gonna? I've the day off anyway but I probably wouldn't have stroked if I hadn't, although I would like everyone to have abortions. Whoops, I mean, choice for abortions.

Zulu · 07-03-2017 04:10PM

Repeal campaign is a sad joke.

fatknacker · 07-03-2017 04:18PM

So's your face.

Zulu · 07-03-2017 04:20PM

Your ma wasn't saying that last night.

07-03-2017 04:20PM

It'll happen when it happens, getting a bit tedious at this stage (Boo!). Facebook could really do with updating their advertising algorithms too, they're basically just stealing money.

kylith · 07-03-2017 04:22PM

I'll see ye at O'Connell bridge tomorrow!

fatknacker · 07-03-2017 04:23PM

Zulu wrote: »

Your ma wasn't saying that last night.

I'll ask her when she comes back from her mysterious flying visit to the UK.

gramar · 07-03-2017 04:24PM

fatknacker wrote: »

Anyone gonna? I've the day off anyway but I probably wouldn't have stroked if I hadn't, although I would like everyone to have abortions. Whoops, I mean, choice for abortions.

Ah go on..have a stroke for yourself...

Zulu · 07-03-2017 04:24PM

@fatknacker
LOL; fair play

fatknacker · 07-03-2017 04:25PM

kylith wrote: »

I'll see ye at O'Connell bridge tomorrow!

Depends on the weather, tbh.

Whatdo we want? WARMER WEATHER! When do we wantit? LAST WEEK!

Mint Sauce · 07-03-2017 04:26PM

Wanna tell us a bit more about when this is happening OP. Although doubt most employers would allow you to strick for this. Unfortunately though, groups like Youth Defence is turning this campaign into an absolute mud slinger.

fatknacker · 07-03-2017 04:26PM

gramar wrote: »

Ah go on..have a stroke for yourself...

What do you mean stroked is not past continuous of strike?

fatknacker · 07-03-2017 04:35PM

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Wanna tell us a bit more about when this is happening OP. Although doubt most employers would allow you to strick for this. Unfortunately though, groups like Youth Defence is turning this campaign into an absolute mud slinger.

I guess the campaign is not advertised too well if no one knows about it, or maybe ears are bleeding over too much exposure. All's I know is a bunch of people are planning to strike March 8th to do more highlighting on the importance of repealing the 8th Agamemnon and its also the day of the woman.

keano_afc · 07-03-2017 04:48PM

fatknacker wrote: »

I guess the campaign is not advertised too well if no one knows about it, or maybe ears are bleeding over too much exposure. All's I know is a bunch of people are planning to strike take the day off/skip lectures March 8th to do more highlighting on the importance of repealing the 8th Agamemnon and its also the day of the woman.

Fixed that there for ya.

JackTaylorFan · 07-03-2017 04:53PM

fatknacker wrote: »

What do you mean stroked is not past continuous of strike?

Fapped?

Zaph · 07-03-2017 04:55PM

Why exactly are these people striking? I would imagine that in nearly every case their employers have nothing to do with anything related to the Repeal campaign or its objectives, so why are they being forced to take a financial hit because some of their staff decide they want a day off? If I was an employer and I was made aware of any staff striking for a reason completely unrelated to their employment with the company I'd be instigating disciplinary proceedings immediately, and that's despite the fact that I support the Repeal campaign. It's complete and utter nonsense and if this is the best idea the Repeal campaign can come up with then they're going to have a lot of trouble achieving their objectives.

_Whimsical_ · 07-03-2017 04:56PM

Are people striking, as in going a day without pay, or are they calling in sick?

I think they also want women to wear black all day and refuse to do any domestic work, so no dinner for some of ye tomorrow!

Jayop · 07-03-2017 04:56PM

Striking for non direct reasons relating to your employment isn't something new. It's also pretty successful if it's done on a large scale.

20Cent · 07-03-2017 04:58PM

Zaph wrote: »

Why exactly are these people striking? I would imagine that in nearly every case their employers have nothing to do with anything related to the Repeal campaign or its objectives, so why are they being forced to take a financial hit because some of their staff decide they want a day off? If I was an employer and I was made aware of any staff striking for a reason completely unrelated to their employment with the company I'd be instigating disciplinary proceedings immediately, and that's despite the fact that I support the Repeal campaign. It's complete and utter nonsense and if this is the best idea the Repeal campaign can come up with then they're going to have a lot of trouble achieving their objectives.

This government ignores everything until forced to face an issue.
Well not just this gov but all of them we have had.

They don't want to touch the issue because it's a lose lose situation for them.
Still people are suffering and the hypocracy continues so it needs to be brought to a head in order to get them to do anything about it.

Jayop · 07-03-2017 04:58PM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Are people striking, as in going a day without pay, or are they calling in sick?

I think they also want women to wear black all day and refuse to do any domestic work, so no dinner for some of ye tomorrow!

So what if I want to strike at home too because I am firmly in the repeal camp. Should the kids go without food for the day?

Honestly, that's framing it as a men vs woman argument and in my experience it's really not. It's a religious vs non-religious argument and sex has no bearing on whether you support it or not.

GLaDOS · 07-03-2017 04:59PM

Zaph wrote: »

Why exactly are these people striking? I would imagine that in nearly every case their employers have nothing to do with anything related to the Repeal campaign or its objectives, so why are they being forced to take a financial hit because some of their staff decide they want a day off? If I was an employer and I was made aware of any staff striking for a reason completely unrelated to their employment with the company I'd be instigating disciplinary proceedings immediately, and that's despite the fact that I support the Repeal campaign. It's complete and utter nonsense and if this is the best idea the Repeal campaign can come up with then they're going to have a lot of trouble achieving their objectives.

I worked in Poland last year (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/polish-parliament-rejects-abortion-ban-after-women-stage-all-out-strike-a7347616.html)

I think this one is a worldwide thing.

I agree it sucks for employers, and its not something I agree with, but if people see it getting results...

Zaph · 07-03-2017 05:00PM

20Cent wrote: »

This government ignores everything until forced to face an issue.
Well not just this gov but all of them we have had.

They don't want to touch the issue because it's a lose lose situation for them.
Still people are suffering and the hypocracy continues so it needs to be brought to a head in order to get them to do anything about it.

Fair enough, but why should the local Spar, for instance, be made pay for the government's inadequacies if all their staff decide to go on strike over something unrelated to their employment?

_Whimsical_ · 07-03-2017 05:01PM

Zaph wrote: »

Why exactly are these people striking? I would imagine that in nearly every case their employers have nothing to do with anything related to the Repeal campaign or its objectives, so why are they being forced to take a financial hit because some of their staff decide they want a day off? If I was an employer and I was made aware of any staff striking for a reason completely unrelated to their employment with the company I'd be instigating disciplinary proceedings immediately, and that's despite the fact that I support the Repeal campaign. It's complete and utter nonsense and if this is the best idea the Repeal campaign can come up with then they're going to have a lot of trouble achieving their objectives.

It actually worked last year in Poland on the issue of abortion too.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/poland-women-abortion-strike-protests-black-monday-polish-protestors-industrial-action-a7343136.html

I don't think there is the same appetite here though. I don't hear people I know personally really talking about the repeal campaign. I don't think strike will work here.
If it did we might have considered it for other very pressing social and political issues.

Actually if we were to take up striking for every serious political issue what state would the country be in in a year. Imagine if the anti water charges brigade had done it.

meeeeh · 07-03-2017 05:07PM

20Cent wrote: »

This government ignores everything until forced to face an issue.
Well not just this gov but all of them we have had.

They don't want to touch the issue because it's a lose lose situation for them.
Still people are suffering and the hypocracy continues so it needs to be brought to a head in order to get them to do anything about it.

Looking at the numbers in the Times poll they will actually have to think very carefully what to replace it with. I am completely pro choice but that option doesn't seem to have enough support. Go for wrong question and the referendum could be defeated and then you have the same mess for another few decades.

07-03-2017 05:11PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Looking at the numbers in the Times poll they will actually have to think very carefully what to replace it with. I am completely pro choice but that option doesn't seem to have enough support. Go for wrong question and the referendum could be defeated and then you have the same mess for another few decades.

This is the thing, people in echo chambers assume they're the mainstream. If the government knew the poll would pass then they'd have the referendum. "Repeal" is a word, a nice word to some, but a referendum is required and "repeal" doesn't win the vote. Without something else to insert or changed laws ready to go to vote on then it won't pass.

osarusan · 07-03-2017 05:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Without something else to insert or changed laws ready to go to vote on then it won't pass.

There is law already - the 2013 Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act.

whisky_galore · 07-03-2017 05:18PM

Suppose it gives Art students something to do..

meeeeh · 07-03-2017 05:23PM

osarusan wrote: »

There is law already - the 2013 Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act.

It won't wash. As far as I can see there is very strong possibility that would be defeated. Not because people disagree with changes but because there seems to be strong enough support for something in constitution.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/poll-shows-public-support-for-abortion-is-cautious-and-conditional-1.2995696

osarusan · 07-03-2017 05:26PM

meeeeh wrote: »

It won't wash. As far as I can see there is very strong possibility that would be defeated. Not because people disagree with changes but because there seems to be strong enough support for something in constitution.

I was just pointing out that even if the amendment was repealed, we don't fall into some kind of legislative black hole where nobody knows what's going on. We already have legislation on abortion.

I get the impression that there are many people who don't know about the 2013 Act, and who consequently think that repealing the 8th amendment will see us fall into that black hole.

The Irish Times survey you linked to for example, didn't mention the Act in any of their questions. In fact, the way it was phrased: "The 8th Amendment should be repealed so that the Dáil is given the power to decide the legal framework for abortion" might lead people to believe that there currently is no framework.

mahamageehad · 07-03-2017 05:30PM

I think all mention should be removed from the constitution. That's why I support Repeal. It should be dealt with with legislation. However, there's a lot of scaremongering and abuse on both sides and I can see why a government would be wary of holding a vote. At this stage, sadly, I don't see the proposed strike having much impact. In general I think people are just sick of hearing about politics in general, feels like we went straight from the gay marriage vote into Brexit coverage, US election coverage, Trump has done something stupid again coverage plus now the push for a repeal vote.

freshpopcorn · 07-03-2017 05:43PM

The repeal side aren't doing a good job with their campaign in my opinion.
They need to attract the voter who's on the fence and their failing to do this.
One example, When people asks the following question.How many weeks should abortion be allowed up until their response is generally we just want the eighth repealed and the government legislate for when it's allowed. People want to know are their supporting abortion up to 10,12, 20 or 36 weeks before they'll cast their vote.

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