Strike For Repeal?

fatknacker

Anyone gonna? I've the day off anyway but I probably wouldn't have stroked if I hadn't, although I would like everyone to have abortions. Whoops, I mean, choice for abortions.

Zulu

Repeal campaign is a sad joke.

fatknacker

So's your face.

Zulu

Your ma wasn't saying that last night.

It'll happen when it happens, getting a bit tedious at this stage (Boo!). Facebook could really do with updating their advertising algorithms too, they're basically just stealing money.

kylith

I'll see ye at O'Connell bridge tomorrow!

fatknacker

Zulu wrote: »

Your ma wasn't saying that last night.

I'll ask her when she comes back from her mysterious flying visit to the UK.

gramar

fatknacker wrote: »

Anyone gonna? I've the day off anyway but I probably wouldn't have stroked if I hadn't, although I would like everyone to have abortions. Whoops, I mean, choice for abortions.

Ah go on..have a stroke for yourself...

Zulu

@fatknacker
LOL; fair play

fatknacker

kylith wrote: »

I'll see ye at O'Connell bridge tomorrow!

Depends on the weather, tbh.

Whatdo we want? WARMER WEATHER! When do we wantit? LAST WEEK!

Mint Sauce

Wanna tell us a bit more about when this is happening OP. Although doubt most employers would allow you to strick for this. Unfortunately though, groups like Youth Defence is turning this campaign into an absolute mud slinger.

fatknacker

gramar wrote: »

Ah go on..have a stroke for yourself...

What do you mean stroked is not past continuous of strike?

fatknacker

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Wanna tell us a bit more about when this is happening OP. Although doubt most employers would allow you to strick for this. Unfortunately though, groups like Youth Defence is turning this campaign into an absolute mud slinger.

I guess the campaign is not advertised too well if no one knows about it, or maybe ears are bleeding over too much exposure. All's I know is a bunch of people are planning to strike March 8th to do more highlighting on the importance of repealing the 8th Agamemnon and its also the day of the woman.

keano_afc

fatknacker wrote: »

I guess the campaign is not advertised too well if no one knows about it, or maybe ears are bleeding over too much exposure. All's I know is a bunch of people are planning to strike take the day off/skip lectures March 8th to do more highlighting on the importance of repealing the 8th Agamemnon and its also the day of the woman.

Fixed that there for ya.

JackTaylorFan

fatknacker wrote: »

What do you mean stroked is not past continuous of strike?

Fapped?

Zaph

Why exactly are these people striking? I would imagine that in nearly every case their employers have nothing to do with anything related to the Repeal campaign or its objectives, so why are they being forced to take a financial hit because some of their staff decide they want a day off? If I was an employer and I was made aware of any staff striking for a reason completely unrelated to their employment with the company I'd be instigating disciplinary proceedings immediately, and that's despite the fact that I support the Repeal campaign. It's complete and utter nonsense and if this is the best idea the Repeal campaign can come up with then they're going to have a lot of trouble achieving their objectives.

_Whimsical_

Are people striking, as in going a day without pay, or are they calling in sick?

I think they also want women to wear black all day and refuse to do any domestic work, so no dinner for some of ye tomorrow!

Jayop

Striking for non direct reasons relating to your employment isn't something new. It's also pretty successful if it's done on a large scale.

20Cent

Zaph wrote: »

Why exactly are these people striking? I would imagine that in nearly every case their employers have nothing to do with anything related to the Repeal campaign or its objectives, so why are they being forced to take a financial hit because some of their staff decide they want a day off? If I was an employer and I was made aware of any staff striking for a reason completely unrelated to their employment with the company I'd be instigating disciplinary proceedings immediately, and that's despite the fact that I support the Repeal campaign. It's complete and utter nonsense and if this is the best idea the Repeal campaign can come up with then they're going to have a lot of trouble achieving their objectives.

This government ignores everything until forced to face an issue.
Well not just this gov but all of them we have had.

They don't want to touch the issue because it's a lose lose situation for them.
Still people are suffering and the hypocracy continues so it needs to be brought to a head in order to get them to do anything about it.

Jayop

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Are people striking, as in going a day without pay, or are they calling in sick?

I think they also want women to wear black all day and refuse to do any domestic work, so no dinner for some of ye tomorrow!

So what if I want to strike at home too because I am firmly in the repeal camp. Should the kids go without food for the day?

Honestly, that's framing it as a men vs woman argument and in my experience it's really not. It's a religious vs non-religious argument and sex has no bearing on whether you support it or not.

GLaDOS

Zaph wrote: »

Why exactly are these people striking? I would imagine that in nearly every case their employers have nothing to do with anything related to the Repeal campaign or its objectives, so why are they being forced to take a financial hit because some of their staff decide they want a day off? If I was an employer and I was made aware of any staff striking for a reason completely unrelated to their employment with the company I'd be instigating disciplinary proceedings immediately, and that's despite the fact that I support the Repeal campaign. It's complete and utter nonsense and if this is the best idea the Repeal campaign can come up with then they're going to have a lot of trouble achieving their objectives.

I worked in Poland last year (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/polish-parliament-rejects-abortion-ban-after-women-stage-all-out-strike-a7347616.html)

I think this one is a worldwide thing.

I agree it sucks for employers, and its not something I agree with, but if people see it getting results...

Zaph

20Cent wrote: »

This government ignores everything until forced to face an issue.
Well not just this gov but all of them we have had.

They don't want to touch the issue because it's a lose lose situation for them.
Still people are suffering and the hypocracy continues so it needs to be brought to a head in order to get them to do anything about it.

Fair enough, but why should the local Spar, for instance, be made pay for the government's inadequacies if all their staff decide to go on strike over something unrelated to their employment?

_Whimsical_

Zaph wrote: »

Why exactly are these people striking? I would imagine that in nearly every case their employers have nothing to do with anything related to the Repeal campaign or its objectives, so why are they being forced to take a financial hit because some of their staff decide they want a day off? If I was an employer and I was made aware of any staff striking for a reason completely unrelated to their employment with the company I'd be instigating disciplinary proceedings immediately, and that's despite the fact that I support the Repeal campaign. It's complete and utter nonsense and if this is the best idea the Repeal campaign can come up with then they're going to have a lot of trouble achieving their objectives.

It actually worked last year in Poland on the issue of abortion too.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/poland-women-abortion-strike-protests-black-monday-polish-protestors-industrial-action-a7343136.html

I don't think there is the same appetite here though. I don't hear people I know personally really talking about the repeal campaign. I don't think strike will work here.
If it did we might have considered it for other very pressing social and political issues.

Actually if we were to take up striking for every serious political issue what state would the country be in in a year. Imagine if the anti water charges brigade had done it.

meeeeh

20Cent wrote: »

This government ignores everything until forced to face an issue.
Well not just this gov but all of them we have had.

They don't want to touch the issue because it's a lose lose situation for them.
Still people are suffering and the hypocracy continues so it needs to be brought to a head in order to get them to do anything about it.

Looking at the numbers in the Times poll they will actually have to think very carefully what to replace it with. I am completely pro choice but that option doesn't seem to have enough support. Go for wrong question and the referendum could be defeated and then you have the same mess for another few decades.

meeeeh

meeeeh wrote: »

Looking at the numbers in the Times poll they will actually have to think very carefully what to replace it with. I am completely pro choice but that option doesn't seem to have enough support. Go for wrong question and the referendum could be defeated and then you have the same mess for another few decades.

This is the thing, people in echo chambers assume they're the mainstream. If the government knew the poll would pass then they'd have the referendum. "Repeal" is a word, a nice word to some, but a referendum is required and "repeal" doesn't win the vote. Without something else to insert or changed laws ready to go to vote on then it won't pass.

osarusan

Deleted User wrote: »

Without something else to insert or changed laws ready to go to vote on then it won't pass.

There is law already - the 2013 Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act.

whisky_galore

Suppose it gives Art students something to do..

meeeeh

osarusan wrote: »

There is law already - the 2013 Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act.

It won't wash. As far as I can see there is very strong possibility that would be defeated. Not because people disagree with changes but because there seems to be strong enough support for something in constitution.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/poll-shows-public-support-for-abortion-is-cautious-and-conditional-1.2995696

osarusan

meeeeh wrote: »

It won't wash. As far as I can see there is very strong possibility that would be defeated. Not because people disagree with changes but because there seems to be strong enough support for something in constitution.

I was just pointing out that even if the amendment was repealed, we don't fall into some kind of legislative black hole where nobody knows what's going on. We already have legislation on abortion.

I get the impression that there are many people who don't know about the 2013 Act, and who consequently think that repealing the 8th amendment will see us fall into that black hole.

The Irish Times survey you linked to for example, didn't mention the Act in any of their questions. In fact, the way it was phrased: "The 8th Amendment should be repealed so that the Dáil is given the power to decide the legal framework for abortion" might lead people to believe that there currently is no framework.

mahamageehad

I think all mention should be removed from the constitution. That's why I support Repeal. It should be dealt with with legislation. However, there's a lot of scaremongering and abuse on both sides and I can see why a government would be wary of holding a vote. At this stage, sadly, I don't see the proposed strike having much impact. In general I think people are just sick of hearing about politics in general, feels like we went straight from the gay marriage vote into Brexit coverage, US election coverage, Trump has done something stupid again coverage plus now the push for a repeal vote.

freshpopcorn

The repeal side aren't doing a good job with their campaign in my opinion.
They need to attract the voter who's on the fence and their failing to do this.
One example, When people asks the following question.How many weeks should abortion be allowed up until their response is generally we just want the eighth repealed and the government legislate for when it's allowed. People want to know are their supporting abortion up to 10,12, 20 or 36 weeks before they'll cast their vote.

keano_afc

freshpopcorn wrote: »

The repeal side aren't doing a good job with their campaign in my opinion.
They need to attract the voter who's on the fence and their failing to do this.
One example, When people asks the following question.How many weeks should abortion be allowed up until their response is generally we just want the eighth repealed and the government legislate for when it's allowed. People want to know are their supporting abortion up to 10,12, 20 or 36 weeks before they'll cast their vote.

The campaign is a mess because depending on who you talk to the aims are different. Just today I was talking to someone from the Coalition to Repeal the 8th who after a bit of pressing admitted that they were pro-abortion and that meant no limits and no restrictions. When I pointed out that other supporters have said they wanted UK style 24 week laws, she then changed her mind and said that was her own personal opinion.

They are certainly turning people off, and having people like Claire Daly go on national tv and spout "ball of cells" nonsense isnt helping their cause.

meeeeh

I actually thought Claire Daily was very good and I am nowhere near socialist persuasion. But it's true that she doesn't need to convince me and to make it worse I can't even vote.

Thinking about it there might be a point of finding more conservative women (or men) who are in favor of slightly more liberal laws than currently existing to try to persuade people to vote for repeal.

Zulu

freshpopcorn wrote: »

People want to know are their supporting abortion up to 10,12, 20 or 36 weeks before they'll cast their vote.

keano_afc wrote: »

T...When I pointed out that other supporters have said they wanted UK style 24 week laws, she then changed her mind and said that was her own personal opinion.

They are certainly turning people off, and having people like Claire Daly go on national tv and spout "ball of cells" nonsense isnt helping their cause.

Well thats exactly it. Its a shambles because they can't attract the moderate viewpoint.
It's emerging that what was billed as appealing to moderates (most people have no issue with abortion in certain circumstance, or before a certain time point), is rapidly becoming a thinly veiled "no-holds" abortion that looks to be driven in the background by the more nuttier feminist brigade.

And it's exactly because of that they're losing the common ground with the populus.

osarusan

freshpopcorn wrote: »

One example, When people asks the following question.How many weeks should abortion be allowed up until their response is generally we just want the eighth repealed and the government legislate for when it's allowed. People want to know are their supporting abortion up to 10,12, 20 or 36 weeks before they'll cast their vote.

The government has already legislated for it - the 2013 Act.

There would currently be no issue with the number of weeks - abortion on demand would still be illegal.

Very poor campaigning if the Repeal side are not making people aware of the existing legislation and what the 2013 Act contains.

Dick phelan

If i was an employer i would severely discipline or even fire anyone calling in sick because of this, its hardly the employers fault the government won't deal with this issue, bunch of idiots throwing the toys out of the pram, i bet half of the people there are students so don't have a job in the first place. Clowns.

meeeeh

As an employer I would discipline people claim sick leave when they are fine. However we would accommodate people taking time off if possible for whatever reason including to protest.

I am not so sure the optics of this will work well. In Poland there was immediate danger that insane laws could be passed and the situation really isn't comparable.

suicide_circus

Load of people went on long term strike to protest water charges....

Tigger

Dick phelan wrote: »

If i was an employer i would severely discipline or even fire anyone calling in sick because of this, its hardly the employers fault the government won't deal with this issue, bunch of idiots throwing the toys out of the pram, i bet half of the people there are students so don't have a job in the first place. Clowns.

students and the unemployed make up all these midweek protests
i'm pro choice in many instances but these nutters making it a men v women thing (it isnt most pro life hard core are women) will cause the middle ground to worry about things that probsably arent relevant

btw premature 24 week babys survuve in a significant number of cases so i'd like a scientific debate on what stage the fetuses gain rihts. then a discussion on fatal fetal abnormnalities .

freshpopcorn

osarusan wrote: »

The government has already legislated for it - the 2013 Act.

There would currently be no issue with the number of weeks - abortion on demand would still be illegal.

Very poor campaigning if the Repeal side are not making people aware of the existing legislation and what the 2013 Act contains.

The vast majority of people support abortion when the woman's life is at risk and that is already in place.
When ever I heard of somebody on the repeal campaign being asked how many weeks do you think abortion should be legalized up until?
They generally reply we need a repeal and then the government can legislate.
Voters in my opinion want to know how many weeks their voting for in my opinion.

hungry hypno toad

I wonder how many of the protesters would be alive if we had free abortions for all for the last 50 years.

meeeeh

hungry hypno toad wrote: »

I wonder how many of the protesters would be alive if we had free abortions for all for the last 50 years.

Almost all of them. Abortions are prevented with education and good health care and not by pretending they don't happen.

osarusan

freshpopcorn wrote: »

The vast majority of people support abortion when the woman's life is at risk and that is already in place.
When ever I heard of somebody on the repeal campaign being asked how many weeks do you think abortion should be legalized up until?
They generally reply we need a repeal and then the government can legislate.
Voters in my opinion want to know how many weeks their voting for in my opinion.

They should be told that if the 8th amendment disappeared from the Constitution tomorrow, abortion on demand would still be illegal under the 2013 Act. So the answer is 0 weeks.

Abortion would be only legal in cases where the pregnant woman's life is at risk - the difference with the current situation being that a genuine risk of suicide (after evaluation by a psychiatrist) is one of the criteria that constitutes a risk to her life.

freshpopcorn

osarusan wrote: »

They should be told that if the 8th amendment disappeared from the Constitution tomorrow, abortion on demand would still be illegal under the 2013 Act. So the answer is 0 weeks.

Abortion would be only legal in cases where the pregnant woman's life is at risk - the difference with the current situation being that a genuine risk of suicide (after evaluation by a psychiatrist) is one of the criteria that constitutes a risk to her life.

But, if we repealed the amendment,Wouldn't the government be then be able to legislate for abortion up to XX abortion of weeks?

osarusan

freshpopcorn wrote: »

But, if we repealed the amendment,Wouldn't the government be then be able to legislate for abortion up to XX abortion of weeks?

Yes.

There is no way anybody can campaign for what a still-unelected government might legislate for at an unknown time in the future.

I suppose that there could be something in the constitution about how abortion on demand, while currently illegal anyway, will never be legal beyond 14/16/18 weeks or something like that.

freshpopcorn

osarusan wrote: »

Yes.

There is no way anybody can campaign for what a still-unelected government might legislate for at an unknown time in the future.

I suppose that there could be something in the constitution about how abortion on demand, wile currently illegal anyway, will never be legal beyond 14/16/18 weeks or something like that.

The only way I can see it being repealed is if people are told that in the future will be aloud up to a certain amount of weeks.

__Alex__

"Hey boss, not sure where you stand on this contentious issue but I'm striking tomorrow in support of the 'Repeal the Eight' campaign. We cool?" said nobody ever.

mzungu

__Alex__ wrote: »

"Hey boss, not sure where you stand on this contentious issue but I'm striking tomorrow in support of the 'Repeal the Eight' campaign. We cool?" said nobody ever.

Considering hours worked is one of the main reasons for the disparity, losing that time tomorrow probably won't do much for reducing the gender "wage gap". :pac::pac:

The Legend Of Kira

In relation to the Repeal bus going around different parts of the country at the moment, as some people know will there is another bus going around also counter protesting the Rosa group, just saw this post from Twitter that Gardai in Galway asked the counter protesters to take down their banners, from a free speech point of view Id strongly condemn this , whatever side the debate you re on ; I think people on both sides have a equal right to make & present their arguments .

https://twitter.com/laurafleur/status/839167039503806464

Even if I did want it repealed (which I don't) why on earth would I lose a days pay, fall behind in work and annoy my employer when it would make absolutely no difference.

kylith

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

In relation to the Repeal bus going around different parts of the country at the moment, as some people know will there is another bus going around also counter protesting the Rosa group, just saw this post from Twitter that Gardai in Galway asked the counter protesters to take down their banners, from a free speech point of view Id strongly condemn this , whatever side the debate you re on ; I think people on both sides have a equal right to make & present their arguments .

https://twitter.com/laurafleur/status/839167039503806464

They asked them to take down the banners because they were too graphic. If they're anything like the pictures YD used to have up when they were on College Green I can see why. Photos of stillborn foetuses are not appropriate for public display. There is nothing to stop them from using other banners.