"Significant" numbers of babies remains actually found

You are the one that said nobody laid flowers or held a vigil this weekend.

pilly wrote: »

Well is that untrue? I stand to be corrected if it is?

I don't know if its true or not. You read something in a paper about it. Not me.

I just don't like that you decide to be massively critical of the people of Tuam when they were the ones instrumental in uncovering this whole sad business, just because they weren't instantly out with their candles and taking selfies of their grief whoring the minute a reporter showed up.

When people forgot about this here and there over the last few years since the story broke, we never did. Not a week went by that I did not think about those babies in that pit.

The sadness most of us feel goes deeper than a sodding vigil chanting hymns and prayers from a religion that would be a mockery to the lives of these babies had for the benefit of RTE news.

You don't get to tell us how we should feel about this awful thing in our town. We are already way ahead of everyone on that.

Graces7 wrote: »

It is also the organisation that skilfully set up the health system and the educational system which have failed sadly since their demise.

They took Ireland from hedge schools to education for all.
It was a truly wonderful achievement and I mean that.

And look at eg the Scout movement and child abuse.

Not a black and white situation.

Graces7 wrote: »

Amen to this.

And had the orders not been here? What educational system? They did a wonderful job which makes this all the more heartbreaking .

Ah Grace, come on. Do you really think that if education and health hadn't been handled by religious orders we'd all be sitting here uneducated and dying of basic diseases? Of course not.

The early state left education and health to the church because they were already set up for it. If they hadn't been then the state would have set up the hospitals and schools. What went wrong is that no-one ever said 'Thanks very much, we'll take it from here' once the Republic was on its feet.

pilly wrote: »

If you go back to my original post before bubblypop starting his ranting and raving I asked the question if there were any people from Tuam to let me know what the general attitude down there was.

You didn't come forward and say I'm from Tuam and this is the case. You went off on a mad and got abusive and that's not proper discussion.

I'm sure deep down though that you know not 100% of people in Tuam feel the same way you do.

I fully respect your point of view and admire your feelings on it.

All I did was ask a question. It was a serious article that I read by the way, it wasn't a camera man looking for shots of people feeling sad, it was a serious reporter trying to gauge the general fee of the place on Friday.

It's a bit disingenuous to say you don't know what's happening down there at the moment if you live there though.

You asked if there was anyone local on the thread, and I quoted that in reply. I thought it was obvious from my post that I knew people from the area and that I've spoken to them about it. You are accusing me of being abusive so back that up please.

Since you didn't link this article, I've no idea what you read, or what the tone of it was. You just posted on the thread that it was a disgrace that there wasn't anyone local laying flowers or that there was no vigil. You started the attack on the people of Tuam. Link the article and I'll respond with my thoughts on that. But if you don't then I've every right to challenge you on what you posted.

There are, and always will be, people who blindly defend anything to do with the church. It's frustrating but there you go. I'm sure there are plenty of those in the town and around.

There likely are lots of people who might not want this inquiry to go on in the town, not because they are defenders of the church, but because of a variety of reasons. Off the top of my head I imagine; those who own homes that are potentially built over the pit and for whom an excavation would be a financial worry. Or it could be that they'd dread an inquiry because it brings back personal trauma and hurts from the past for them or for someone they know. But dreading or not relishing the process of an inquiry doesn't mean that they don't care about what happened.

You want on the ground info - I've counted about 35-40 people from the area - Tuam, and its surrounding townlands that I know personally, who want an inquiry - a proper one, and justice done. They want the children identified and named and given a respectful burial. I've not met one person in the last few years who even suggested that it should be left alone.

I don't live in the town, I live in the area, and this story broke on ..Friday? I wasn't in Tuam on Friday or over the weekend, so that's why I cant verify whether or not the reporter was factually correct or not.

Neyite wrote: »

Well, the Archdiocese is on record as saying they had no idea. The nuns, through their PR firm, denied it to the hilt. This was a leaked email from their PR firm.

Certainly that happened in some homes around the country I'm sure. And I'm sure that some women did develop mental health issues as a result of their ordeal. I don't know /haven't heard of it happening in this particular home but the enquiry is only really going to start now and who knows what it will reveal?

I think what makes me most angry about this is that there will be no one to prosecute. It takes a certain kind of evil to knowingly witness or engage in what went on, and as we all know no ones born evil, I wonder what could have possibly made these people so bitter, such disgusting creatures - hopefully it wasn't the very thing they were so adamant to devote their lives to...

I'm not sure I could bear to hear anymore on this story. Isn't it amazing how the church can continuously commit so many atrocities and it's grand, sher they were different times, yet if it were another country committing those atrocities on Irish people (if we weren't neutral) we'd be going to war to eliminate them..

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Where did Catherine Corless get the death certificates from?

kbannon wrote: »

Ask Ms. Corless!
She possibly got them from the council or the public records office. What's your point? There would undoubtedly be mountains of other documentation not handed over including medical details meaning any investigation would be completely hampered.
Also, as the RCCs human trafficking scam possibly required the falsification of death certs (as well as birth certs), there are probably issues in terms of the total numbers there.

She got the Death Certificates from the registry office in Galway according to an article in the Journal:

"She finally began to get the information when she contacted the registry office in Galway to try to get death certificates for every child who had died at The Home. Speaking to IrishCentral in 2014, she described how it was the first time that it became clear that a large number of children had died there:

Corless paid €4 for each death certificate and, between 2011 and 2013, ended up with the total number: 796

At 796 deaths, this means that one child died approximately every fortnight at The Home – a mortality rate far higher than the rate for other children in Ireland at the time.

Catherine cross-referenced the list of 796 names to see if any of the children were buried in local cemeteries. A Galway County Council archivist told her that none of the names appeared in any nearby cemetery."

http://www.thejournal.ie/catherine-corless-tuam-mother-and-baby-home-3268501-Mar2017/

kbannon wrote: »

And what?
I simply mentioned that it was u likely all documentation on these cases has be handed over.
In what way did they manage their human trafficking money-spinner for example?

I wasn't arguing with you or implying anything, apologies if that's how my post came across, i was just replying to Mrs OBumble's question asking where did Catherine Corless get the death certificates from, and your response that she possibly got them from the council or the public records office.