Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

mullinr2 wrote: »

I mentioned on here after the Clare game, that apparently there was discipline issues with Ger Alyward. Two sources told me at the Clare game. Maybe that's why we haven't seen him.

Saying that based on hearsay is pretty poor.

Today's game was very poor from both a KK and cork point of view.

KK were very average, no point in commenting on the seasoned players as we know their capabilities at this stage but suffice to say that the whole team were more than willing to play the game a yard behind their man. Yes they were not as fit, but that wouldn't have made a difference here.
To comment on the younger lads and to be honest taking into account that no-one goes out to play poorly:
Conor O Shea - simply speed of movement, both swinging and pace as well as reading of the game so that he can judge where to be to allow for his lack of pace is simply not up to intercounty standard. Played the whole game a yard behind his man.
Cleere- DId not even try to command his position, should be at least trying to impose himself even if not successful. But it's his first game, so let's persist with him further.
Deegan - Drove me demented watching him. Looking to hang free all day and get lose ball. Playerd in to Corks hands all day. It's his first game but would think his midfield style cannot be adjusted enough to make him an intercounty player. Ollie Walsh still way better.
Leahy - Has ability but is far to willing to let his man win the ball. No point running chasing you man half way back the pitch showing that your willing to put the yardage in when your after hardly contesting the ball In the first place letting you man win it easily. ( Blanchfield is a divil for this and he's fooling no-one) Has talent but needs to be pushed to use it.
Conor Martin - reminds me of Taggy fogarty when he started out. Could put the ball over the bar from anywhere, when in his hand. But winning it is the issue. Today he got loads of ball and left his man take it off him. Was poor today.

These young lads need to develop some drive cos it's just not there. You get the feeling that they feel, so what, Cody needs me, more than I need to impress him. Nobody is out there trying to impress which is very worrying. They don't feel the need. Cody needs to take these guys aside and push them like Davy Fitz would. A few hard months of early morning mountain running would stand to some of these young lads.

Dionysis wrote: »

KK were very average, no point in commenting on the seasoned players as we know their capabilities at this stage but suffice to say that the whole team were more than willing to play the game a yard behind their man. Yes they were not as fit, but that wouldn't have made a difference here.
To comment on the younger lads and to be honest taking into account that no-one goes out to play poorly:
Conor O Shea - simply speed of movement, both swinging and pace as well as reading of the game so that he can judge where to be to allow for his lack of pace is simply not up to intercounty standard. Played the whole game a yard behind his man.
Cleere- DId not even try to command his position, should be at least trying to impose himself even if not successful. But it's his first game, so let's persist with him further.
Deegan - Drove me demented watching him. Looking to hang free all day and get lose ball. Playerd in to Corks hands all day. It's his first game but would think his midfield style cannot be adjusted enough to make him an intercounty player. Ollie Walsh still way better.
Leahy - Has ability but is far to willing to let his man win the ball. No point running chasing you man half way back the pitch showing that your willing to put the yardage in when your after hardly contesting the ball In the first place letting you man win it easily. ( Blanchfield is a divil for this and he's fooling no-one) Has talent but needs to be pushed to use it.
Conor Martin - reminds me of Taggy fogarty when he started out. Could put the ball over the bar from anywhere, when in his hand. But winning it is the issue. Today he got loads of ball and left his man take it off him. Was poor today.

These young lads need to develop some drive cos it's just not there. You get the feeling that they feel, so what, Cody needs me, more than I need to impress him. Nobody is out there trying to impress which is very worrying. They don't feel the need. Cody needs to take these guys aside and push them like Davy Fitz would. A few hard months of early morning mountain running would stand to some of these young lads.

If you are going to point out the negative points isnt it fair to point out the good things they did too, no mention of leahy's 3 points for instance, also cant remember Taggy ever finding it hard to win ball.

Topcat32 wrote: »

If you are going to point out the negative points isnt it fair to point out the good things they did too, no mention of leahy's 3 points for instance, also cant remember Taggy ever finding it hard to win ball.

Plus not a mention of any fields he made

Dionysis wrote: »

Well if you were watching KK in the flesh back in 2006 in the league you would have seen very clearly taggys inability to win ball.
Granted his attitude/ability changed 180degrees, but he was poor back in those days.

He was on the panel a couple of years by then. I just disagree with you that he had an attitude problem, the only problem I saw was that he was awkward at times.

It must be a long time since we went 3 games (League and/or Championship) without scoring a goal.

Colin Fennelly was the only goal threat today. He's great when he gets the ball about 40 yards out and runs towards the goal. Unfortunately his striking hasn't improved (yet again) over the winter.

usualstripes wrote: »

The goals will come.

Based on what evidence?

Two points on the board but no point in getting carried away as that was a brutal Cork team and we wont beat Tipp this weekend if we dont improve much more again and need to score goals which is the big worry. Cork did cause us problems when they ran at us in packs at speed and if they had some better forwards we would have been in trouble. Also somewhat suprised at the small attendance yesterday. I know the weather was bitter cold but are KK supporters losing faith now.....
Murphy-Descision Making, Distribution and shot stopping top notch.By far the best all round keeper around
P-Murphy- A lot better in the corner but still a good bit off the extreme high standards he no doubt sets himself
Walsh- Very good again other than 1 or 2 frees he gave away. Iv no doubt it not his favorite  position but he taking one for the team and for the moment will be kept there for the good of the team
O'Shea- He a good hurler but not an inter county corner back. Slow and sluggish at times but did improve as the game went by. Dont think he is helped by not having a settled position with club or county and constantly changes between defence and attack
Fogarty- IMO my Man of the Match. Brilliant throughout
Cleere- Decent first showing. Got blocked down twice trying to clear the ball within dangerous areas but will learn and can be happy. Done enough to deserve a start again for Tipp game
Joyce/Pender- Joyce was going reasonable well until injury. Thought Pender did well when introduced too
Buckley- Still prefer to see him at Left half back as he one of the best in the business. But he getting better at midfield with each game. Suprisingly for him tho his first touch wasnt great again today
Deegan- Far from the finished article but works hard. Still too reliant on his Left hand side, At one stage in second half he picked the ball up in the middle and all he had to do was turn to his right and flick ball to Richie Hogan who was in acres of space. But instead cut back in on favoured left towards 3 cork defenders and fortunately was able to find TJ with a hand pass who then then hit the 20yard pass to Hogan to put over the bar for his 4th point. 
Leahy- took his scores well and seems to fitting well in to the team
TJ- Looked Sharp and did alot of the graft for others to score. Still not dominating the aerial balls like he did in 2015
Fennelly- Worked his socks and looked our best bet for a goal.First game back so sharpness should improve but he made a big difference to the team today
Hogan- Made the right decisions to take the available scores when given the ball. Class act that just makes it look so easy
Wally- Took his point well but I still prefer to see out on the wing. He is wasted when in on the full forward line
Martin- He actually has good wrists and stick work.However he couldnt win any of the 50/50 balls and was out muscled alot. I have seen get some great scores for Emeralds but Jury still out on whether he good enough for this level....

Although Cork are poor, I thought the second half was much better yesterday.

Leahy took his scores well, fielded some good high ball and looks like he'll be a very good player as he develops. Conor Martin was quiet but he did alright. He had one nice point from play, and was in very hard luck not to get another two, and was fouled for at least one easy free for TJ. That's fine for a first league outing. Cleere was solid without being involved too much, he is one that will definitely improve.

Conor O'Shea reminds me of Conor Fogarty. I remember when he broke into the team first, he was roasted at corner back in Tullamore against Dublin, always behind his man going for the ball. O'Shea had a ropey first 25 minutes, but after that he grew into the game. I think he would be better further out the field with his size. I don't agree with others that says he's not an inter-county player, he needs more chances and is capable I think. He just seemed nervous at the start of the game.

I don't know much about Paddy Deegan, he seemed to be fouled a lot, primarily because he always turns back into trouble. He could have taken a few scores but didn't seem capable of taking long range scores on his right.

I'd really like to see Alyward, Scanlon, Lennon, John Walsh, Bolger, Alan Murphy (out the field), Maher get their chance. Those lads have plenty of talent.

Lastly, Conor Fogarty was brilliant yesterday, Colin Fennelly looked fresh, and Richie Hogan was much more influential out the field.

Conor O'Shea reminds me of Conor Fogarty. I remember when he broke into the team first, he was roasted at corner back in Tullamore against Dublin, always behind his man going for the ball. O'Shea had a ropey first 25 minutes, but after that he grew into the game. I think he would be better further out the field with his size. I don't agree with others that says he's not an inter-county player, he needs more chances and is capable I think. He just seemed nervous at the start of the game.

O shea grew into the game as he was a spare man at times. He does seem nervous but if you look at the mistakes made and the fact that he is not near quick enough out with his marker it makes it difficult to see how he can step up. His awareness is not good enough. If you are 5-10 yards behind your man before the ball comes in then you have problems straight away. As I said previously he is a fine hurler but I don't think he has the necessary speed or awareness for this level. Would love to be proved wrong here but too many cheap scores come from him.

Anyone know of rumours that john dalton has been asked into the panel.also whatever happened to paady hogan.remember him as a half back v tipp in 09 u21 final he was outstanding.