Louise O Neill on rape culture.

05-03-2017 03:47PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Feel good tearing apart a young girl?

not going to answer the questions from the other day?

Ralf and Florian · 05-03-2017 03:54PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Feel good tearing apart a young girl?

LON is at least 33, not exactly a young girl.

05-03-2017 03:55PM

neonsofa wrote: »

Isn't she in her 30s? I think people would be a lot more forgiving if she was a young girl who doesn't know any better.

I know, its been said before if the genders were reversed and it was Larry O Neill he'd be criticised .....she deserves to be called out on her bs and hypocracy

Tigger · 05-03-2017 04:00PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Feel good tearing apart a young girl?

A girl is a female up to what 17 a young girl would be a child
What she is is a woman and not a young woman a young woman is under 30
Shes a grown woman and its disempoweing if you to talk of her as if she's a child barely old enough to get pocket money

HamsterFace · 05-03-2017 04:01PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Feel good tearing apart a young girl?

She's very offensive. Day after day. And completely unapologetic, and quick to ridicule anyone with a differing opinion. She re-enforces division and a mindset of victimhood and helplessness.

She's about as progressive as a troglodyte. People try to nicely debate and she calls upon her twitter followers to attack rather than discuss some points. She is quite the aggressor.

But then I hear her speak and she seems like a normal happy girl. But she writes hatred, and publicises it, so for whatever she puts out there she can rightly be criticized.

Tigger · 05-03-2017 04:02PM

mzungu wrote: »

I find the whole "gender is a social construct" mantra a bit strange. It was influenced entirely from French postmodernist thinking (not exactly a stable foundation) and the only "evidence" to back it up comes from social science studies carried out by people who already sign up fully to the notion. Actual scientific studies show that there are differences. In one study where boys are raised as girls, most of them ended up identifying as male when they got older and all displayed at least some moderate male traits etc. Strangely enough, these are ignored, mainly because a lot of gender theory is built upon shoddy postmodernism. If that gets exposed, then its bye bye millions of dollars in funding. I would have more time for it if it took on board the vast amount of proper scientific studies to the contrary and constructed theories from there.

The irony of this is, US social sciences departments (lead mainly by the gender studies crew) are organising a March for Science in April to protest the climate change denial of the Trump administration (I have no problem there). However, it is a bit rich to protest about science denial, when they themselves see no problem with it when it suits their own gravy train. Conservatives in the US do get a bashing for being anti-science but the truth is that no side of the US political spectrum has a monopoly on science denial.

Why is there a study where they raise boys as girls ?
Raise children as gender neutral I could understand it as a girl is nasty

slovakchick · 05-03-2017 04:06PM

Tigger wrote: »

A girl is a female up to what 17 a young girl would be a child
What she is is a woman and not a young woman a young woman is under 30
Shes a grown woman and its disempoweing if you to talk of her as if she's a child barely old enough to get pocket money

rappers can eat sh1t

bridgingthegap · 05-03-2017 04:07PM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

It's downright paradoxical.

Bridging the Gap I don't mean to be abrupt or cause distress, but if your rape was committed by a woman, then it goes against everything you base your first quote on.
Gender norms, harassment, sexual objectification ... correct me if I'm wrong, but the feminist stance seems to focus essentially on men being the perpetrators and women being the victims.
So how then, can a woman committing rape be included in talks about gender norms, societal influence ?
Are women also educated in a society where females are just as likely to harass, objectify, and rape men then ?
If you believe so, then the whole feminist movement should really acknowledge that, which doesn't seem to be the case. If you believe the above, really the whole narrative changes, as women and men are equally likely to be victims and perpetrators, and the movement is not so much a "feminist" movement, as a "societal" movement. As in, denouncing behaviours in society, acceptance of certain norms and education which you believe are wrong, without any reference to gender/sex whatsoever.
It is not about equality anymore, equality is not relevant to the discussion. It's about how we go about life, and our moral compass, whether man or woman.
But I can't reconcile that to what I see from feminists, for example this blogger who was under scrutiny here on boards recently, and who implied that commenting about JTrudeau's bum as a woman was not objectification in the same sense as a man like McGregor commenting on the Kardashian's bums.

Maybe I'm completely misunderstanding here. I'm only half following this discussion tbh.

My rape was committed by a man.

I believe people of any gender can be harassed, objectified, and raped by perpetrators of any gender. It is all wrong.

The gender norms in our society are responsible for males largely not being seen as victims, in my opinion, just as much as they responsible for females not being seen as perpetrators.

My experience with feminism, in the last couple of years more than ever, is actively including this issue in its dialogue. This obviously isn't reflected in the experiences of many people in this thread but that could be down to people singling out extreme instances that fit the narrative they are looking to create. Irony intended.

Thanks to anyone who took the time to reply to me. Some good points made and interesting things to think about. Hoping to get a chance to reply to some more of them soon.

Wibbs · 05-03-2017 04:17PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Feel good tearing apart a young girl?

She's over 30 years of age(I'd bet more than a few suggesting her ideology is bogus are younger than her). I have no words if you consider that either "young" or a "girl". Though not too surprising as I have also found many so called feminists are all too quick to pull the "vulnerable" angle. How children act when caught out, by a quiver of the upper lip and tears. When it suits. And then such people expect to be treated as mature adults capable of open debate?

Though your comment says much if unintended by you. She acts and writes and engages like an adolescent, so an easy mistake to make if one wasn't au fe with her bio. This is not wild conjecture, this how she publicly projects herself.

05-03-2017 04:20PM

Maybe she'd like the women's prison, own apartment with a key, bit of Independence and privacy.

fullstop · 05-03-2017 04:26PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Feel good tearing apart a young girl?

Hi there, have you had the time to adress Omackerel's questions to you a couple of pages back that you said you were too busy to at the time :rolleyes:

mzungu · 05-03-2017 04:28PM

Tigger wrote: »

Why is there a study where they raise boys as girls ?
Raise children as gender neutral I could understand it as a girl is nasty

They were born with cloacal exstrophy (rare enough), and usually in those cases the sex assigned by doctors was predominantly female. So, the study followed up on a group of them years later to see how things went being raised female when the biological sex was male.

johnnyskeleton · 05-03-2017 04:57PM

mzungu wrote: »

After the way O'Doherty behaved, I don't blame her in the slightest. He was a disgrace.

What did he do, by the way?

Wibbs · 05-03-2017 05:17PM

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

What did he do, by the way?

After she cancelled her appearance, he could have said "ah well" or better yet nothing, but instead he threw a major hissy fit on social media. Real aggressive stamping feet temper tantrum stuff. Totally uncalled for and it made him look like petulant boy child.

It seems a lot of these meeeja types are by their own admission in therapy and it further seems those that aren't should be*. It can be an issue with the breed in my experience. The more of a notice box they are, the more of a child they can act like.

*though it would be my humble that self involved narcissists might be served better by not thinking and talking about themselves more.

jameorahiely · 05-03-2017 05:19PM

Wibbs wrote: »

After she cancelled her appearance, he could have said "ah well" or better yet nothing, but instead he threw a major hissy fit on social media. Real aggressive stamping feet temper tantrum stuff. Totally uncalled for and it made him look like petulant boy child.

It seems a lot of these meeeja types are by their own admission in therapy and it further seems those that aren't should be*. It can be an issue with the breed in my experience. The more of a notice box they are, the more of a child they can act like.

*though it would be my humble that self involved narcissists might be served better by not thinking and talking about themselves more.

So this happened after cancellation but is being used as the reason for the cancellation?

darkdubh · 05-03-2017 05:21PM

Wibbs wrote: »

After she cancelled her appearance, he could have said "ah well" or better yet nothing, but instead he threw a major hissy fit on social media. Real aggressive stamping feet temper tantrum stuff. Totally uncalled for and it made him look like petulant boy child.

It seems a lot of these meeeja types are by their own admission in therapy and it further seems those that aren't should be*. It can be an issue with the breed in my experience. The more of a notice box they are, the more of a child they can act like.

*though it would be my humble that self involved narcissists might be served better by not thinking and talking about themselves more.

He's a professional troll. An nasty individual with an over fondness for drink.

Wibbs · 05-03-2017 05:25PM

jameorahiely wrote: »

So this happened after cancellation but is being used as the reason for the cancellation?

Regardless of any reasons involved pre or post cancellation he acted like a petulant arse.

darkdubh wrote: »

He's a professional troll. An nasty individual with an over fondness for drink.

I'll not muse on his drinking habits, but the professional troll aspect seems to be in play alright. Sadly that's more and more the case with the clickbait nature of things today. The subject of this thread is another one. I'm not quite sure I'd characterise them as deliberate trolls as such, their editors use them in that way though.

mzungu · 05-03-2017 05:41PM

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

What did he do, by the way?

After Una Mullay cancelled a Late Late Show debate between the two of them, it seems Ian decided to ask her why on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/Oireachtas_RX/status/837033924626890753

I think there was more tweets, but those were a few select ones.

Safe to say that O'Doherty comes across as quite the spiteful individual, not to mention a tad unhinged.

05-03-2017 05:44PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Feel good tearing apart a young girl?

Another drive-by post from the worst advertisement for feminism in Ireland not called Louise, Rosemary or Una. Why don't you grow a backbone and debate on the posts that directly respond to you? You're too busy calling people bullies and taking offense. A young girl FFS, no, it's a grown ass woman. Your emotional language is yet another awful attempt at deflection.

05-03-2017 05:50PM

fullstop wrote: »

Hi there, have you had the time to adress Omackerel's questions to you a couple of pages back that you said you were too busy to at the time :rolleyes:

In fairness, I was only looking for attenion.

ME! ME! ME!

midlandsmissus · 05-03-2017 06:13PM

So we've had a thread dissecting and hating LON's character. We've had a thread dissecting and trashing Rosemary McCabes character. Both female.
LON has invariably been called narcissistic, crazy, a lunatic, unbalanced just because she speaks about women's issues. She is an award winning author- more than many of you might have done. Is there a male in the media you might like to pick apart?
Why just women on AH?
To the people telling me to answer other people's posts. Leave me alone. You do not control me and stop acting like you think you have the right.

jameorahiely · 05-03-2017 06:15PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

So we've had a thread dissecting and hating LON's character. We've had a thread dissecting and trashing Rosemary McCabes character. Both female.
LON has invariably been called narcissistic, crazy, a lunatic, unbalanced just because she speaks about women's issues. She is an award winning author- more than many of you might have done. Is there a male in the media you might like to pick apart?
Why just women on AH?
To the people telling me to answer other people's posts. Leave me alone. You do not control me and stop acting like you think you have the right.

There's nothing stopping you from starting a thread...

midlandsmissus · 05-03-2017 06:19PM

jameorahiely wrote: »

midlandsmissus wrote: »

So we've had a thread dissecting and hating LON's character. We've had a thread dissecting and trashing Rosemary McCabes character. Both female.
LON has invariably been called narcissistic, crazy, a lunatic, unbalanced just because she speaks about women's issues. She is an award winning author- more than many of you might have done. Is there a male in the media you might like to pick apart?
Why just women on AH?
To the people telling me to answer other people's posts. Leave me alone. You do not control me and stop acting like you think you have the right.

There's nothing stopping you from starting a thread...

I dont, unlike others, feel the new need to trash men advocating men's rights. I would sit and listen to what they were suffering from eg. Child access, and work with them to make better changes in this area.
I feel secure enough in myself to know that granting a bit of power to the other gender, does not render me powerless.

tomwaterford · 05-03-2017 06:19PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

So we've had a thread dissecting and hating LON's character. We've had a thread dissecting and trashing Rosemary McCabes character. Both female.
LON has invariably been called narcissistic, crazy, a lunatic, unbalanced just because she speaks about women's issues. She is an award winning author- more than many of you might have done. Is there a male in the media you might like to pick apart?
Why just women on AH?
To the people telling me to answer other people's posts. Leave me alone. You do not control me and stop acting like you think you have the right.

Have you read some of the horsesht she comes out with

Shes the katie hopkins of womens rights??
Alot of what she writes is pure trolling.....it is no way applicible to anyone i know

jameorahiely · 05-03-2017 06:23PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I dont, unlike others, feel the new need to trash men advocating men's rights. I would sit and listen to what they were suffering from eg. Child access, and work with them to make better changes in this area.
I feel secure enough in myself to know that granting a bit of power to the other gender, does not render me powerless.

Then why are you lamenting in tbe lack of threads?

Is giving child access giving power?

midlandsmissus · 05-03-2017 06:25PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

midlandsmissus wrote: »

So we've had a thread dissecting and hating LON's character. We've had a thread dissecting and trashing Rosemary McCabes character. Both female.
LON has invariably been called narcissistic, crazy, a lunatic, unbalanced just because she speaks about women's issues. She is an award winning author- more than many of you might have done. Is there a male in the media you might like to pick apart?
Why just women on AH?
To the people telling me to answer other people's posts. Leave me alone. You do not control me and stop acting like you think you have the right.

Have you read some of the horsesht she comes out with

Shes the katie hopkins of womens rights??
Alot of what she writes is pure trolling.....it is no way applicible to anyone i know

Every feminist in Ireland/anywhere has been called crazy/unbalanced/mentally unstable.
You do not see this the other way round from women, when men talk about men's rights.
Isn't this an indicator of men feeling diminished by speaking up for themselves.
Can you name a feminist you do like?
To all- should we all, women, never have a dissenting opinion in order for you to feel happy? Do you see how controlling this is?

py2006 · 05-03-2017 06:25PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Is there a male in the media you might like to pick apart?
Why just women on AH?.

To put it simply, men writing negative articles about women on the same level WOULD NOT GET PRINTED.

And rightly so.

red ears · 05-03-2017 06:25PM

mzungu wrote: »

After the way O'Doherty behaved, I don't blame her in the slightest. He was a disgrace.

That was after she cancelled.

jameorahiely · 05-03-2017 06:27PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Every feminist in Ireland/anywhere has been called crazy/unbalanced/mentally unstable.
You do not see this the other way round from women, when men talk about men's rights.
Isn't this an indicator of men feeling diminished by speaking up for themselves.
Can you name a feminist you do like?
To all- should we all, women, never have a dissenting opinion in order for you to feel happy? Do you see how controlling this is?

Lol, you don't seem happy with anyones opinion dissenting your own.

Stop controlling me... Lol.

mzungu · 05-03-2017 06:45PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

So we've had a thread dissecting and hating LON's character. We've had a thread dissecting and trashing Rosemary McCabes character. Both female.
LON has invariably been called narcissistic, crazy, a lunatic, unbalanced just because she speaks about women's issues. She is an award winning author- more than many of you might have done. Is there a male in the media you might like to pick apart?
Why just women on AH?
To the people telling me to answer other people's posts. Leave me alone. You do not control me and stop acting like you think you have the right.

Well, Ian O'Doherty was being criticised a few posts above the one you made there. AFAIK he identifies as male. So the answer would be yes, male figures in the media are criticised.

Louise O Neill on rape culture.

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