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Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2
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We've had some good days up there but the bad days are aplenty. That was up there with the worst of them. Where too now..? Keep treading water or unleash these promising U21s from now on. So disheartening that
That's 11 games against Gavin's Dubs and zero wins for Mayo.
Tonight wasn't a surprise or out of the ordinary.0 -
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TBH imo if you get 3/4 decent players from that U21 team you'll be doing well. Few slot in straight away too, they need 2 or 3 years to bulk up too. Seasoned intercounty lads would make bits of most of them at this stage IMO
Coen & Boland have begun that process. Loftus to a lesser extent. Diarmuid there too obviously. That's 3 who have already shown enough to say they've come through.
Outside of that, Loftus is showing good signs. The likes of Ruane will need a few more years. I'd be happy with those 5 and wouldn't expect more than that.
Fair play to ye tonight.
(Jesus, O'Gara has the finesse of an elephant.)
As for ourselves:
Clarke's kickouts show no sign of improving. This is an absolutely critical aspect of the modern game. I had hoped that this would be addressed this year. He should be spending 80% of his time getting this right.
I was eager to see who swept tonight for us. McLoughlin wasn't the man last year and he's needed as a playmaker. Not playing one at all against ye is just suicidal. Clarke shouldn't have to be saving the day for us in terms of shot stopping if this was in place. Wide open.
Despite being to a Club Final, Keegan needs another month to get up to speed. Proven by the fact that he was put in the FB line.
There's a real worry about DO'C. He hasn't been himself for some time now. Still very good but not his best. My only guess is that he's either been run ragged or mentally tired.
Despite what the Galway men / Conspiracy Theorists / Begrudgers say, Aidan & Seamus are much needed. Aidan needs to be made a Full Forward of if it takes 6 months.
Transition into attack, which killed us last year, is still dire. This is why I would shake it up with testing (a fit) Keegan in the HF line.
Pressure on opposition goal kicks is way too slack. You just can't give Dublin free ball all day long from kick outs.
The 2 former points were highlighted in the 39th minute. We managed a laboured point from Coen but Dublin has tagged one back within 20 seconds of the ball going over the bar. That included a mark. I timed it
Same again a few minutes later after Regans free. McMahon popping up at the other end for an easy score.
Some positives:
Coen and Durcan are fine players who will keep improving.
Keegan will be a different player come championship.
Higgins looks like he's settling in ok at FB. A sweeper to help would be nice.
Boland didn't do much but he rarely does anything wrong, an excellent foot passer which could be utilised to some good effect with AO'S in the FF line.
The main negative:
I was expecting Rochford to have some plan for tonight. There was none. It was more or less the same team and tactics as the previous 3 games.0 -
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He softens things up alright.
That shot on goal in the first half.... 10 yards out and he managed to kick it 50 yards wide and 10 yards behind him.... he has Mayo blood?
Well done. Some team. Some panel. I've been saying it for a while but I can't see any relent in your League record. When you've 30 odd players pushing for Championship spots then there'll never be any slacking in the League. Even though our squad has improved, I don’t think any County can meet that intensity in the League.
We'll get ye in the Championship though 0 -
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That shot on goal in the first half.... 10 yards out and he managed to kick it 50 yards wide and 10 yards behind him.... he has Mayo blood?
Well done. Some team. Some panel. I've been saying it for a while but I can't see any relent in your League record. When you've 30 odd players pushing for Championship spots then there'll never be any slacking in the League. Even though our squad has improved, I don’t think any County can meet that intensity in the League.
We'll get ye in the Championship though
Wat was your full back at for the first ball into O'Gara, standing miles off him ..you'd swear he was afraid of him
You'd want to tell some of your lads to stay out of the fridge from here on, Keegan and a few others look like they've wintered well :eek:0 -
Wat was your full back at for the first ball into O'Gara, standing miles off him ..you'd swear he was afraid of him
You'd want to tell some of your lads to stay out of the fridge from here on, Keegan and a few others look like they've wintered well :eek:
Keegan's arse is being discussed on 2 threads now There'll be plenty of room in his back pocket for Connolly when the Championship comes around. 0 -
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Keegan's arse is being discussed on 2 threads now There'll be plenty of room in his back pocket for Connolly when the Championship comes around.
Sure Lee has tons of space in his arse pocket..theres no celtic crosses in there.
And while Lee is on the excercise bike yiz may stick that young lad wearing 10 on the weights..he looks fierce light.0 -
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Lovely footballer but as you said he is too light/small for the rough and tumble of real championship footballSure Lee has tons of space in his arse pocket..theres no celtic crosses in there.
And while Lee is on the excercise bike yiz may stick that young lad wearing 10 on the weights..he looks fierce light.0 -
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Sure Lee has tons of space in his arse pocket..theres no celtic crosses in there.
And while Lee is on the excercise bike yiz may stick that young lad wearing 10 on the weights..he looks fierce light.
There's an All Ireland in there Bambi... you're not one of these Dubs who's club is Liverpool are you? Lee had a better day in CP last month. 0 -
Coen & Boland have begun that process. Loftus to a lesser extent. Diarmuid there too obviously. That's 3 who have already shown enough to say they've come through.
Outside of that, Loftus is showing good signs. The likes of Ruane will need a few more years. I'd be happy with those 5 and wouldn't expect more than that.
Fair play to ye tonight.
(Jesus, O'Gara has the finesse of an elephant.)
As for ourselves:
Clarke's kickouts show no sign of improving. This is an absolutely critical aspect of the modern game. I had hoped that this would be addressed this year. He should be spending 80% of his time getting this right.
I was eager to see who swept tonight for us. McLoughlin wasn't the man last year and he's needed as a playmaker. Not playing one at all against ye is just suicidal. Clarke shouldn't have to be saving the day for us in terms of shot stopping if this was in place. Wide open.
Despite being to a Club Final, Keegan needs another month to get up to speed. Proven by the fact that he was put in the FB line.
There's a real worry about DO'C. He hasn't been himself for some time now. Still very good but not his best. My only guess is that he's either been run ragged or mentally tired.
Despite what the Galway men / Conspiracy Theorists / Begrudgers say, Aidan & Seamus are much needed. Aidan needs to be made a Full Forward of if it takes 6 months.
Transition into attack, which killed us last year, is still dire. This is why I would shake it up with testing (a fit) Keegan in the HF line.
Pressure on opposition goal kicks is way too slack. You just can't give Dublin free ball all day long from kick outs.
The 2 former points were highlighted in the 39th minute. We managed a laboured point from Coen but Dublin has tagged one back within 20 seconds of the ball going over the bar. That included a mark. I timed it
Same again a few minutes later after Regans free. McMahon popping up at the other end for an easy score.
Some positives:
Coen and Durcan are fine players who will keep improving.
Keegan will be a different player come championship.
Higgins looks like he's settling in ok at FB. A sweeper to help would be nice.
Boland didn't do much but he rarely does anything wrong, an excellent foot passer which could be utilised to some good effect with AO'S in the FF line.
The main negative:
I was expecting Rochford to have some plan for tonight. There was none. It was more or less the same team and tactics as the previous 3 games.
Great post. A few points from the top.
I think these young lads should be starting all the games. If a lad has promise as a minor games need to be organised for them to play in as 19 year olds.If they are good enough they are old enough. This is an area where Dublin and Kerry have excelled. That Boland is class, great vision and will only get better with games as will Coen and Loftus.
O'Gara breaks our hearts. You just dont know what he will do. I think his brother will come very close to feature come championship time.
Clarkes kickouts. I dont know how he can be accurate kicking off the cone he uses. The tee used by some keepers are I feel for lads with weak kickouts or lads going for distance. The way kickouts are now accuracy is vital and you cant get them off these tees or his case cones.
McLoughlin is the man who can link defence and attack and in future Boland. Both are good at getting space and both can kick pass accurately.
I understand your point about pressuring kickouts but Dublin with Fenton now have an option they didnt have previously. With Flynn now well rested and MDMA Dublin have serious ball winning options now, O'Conaighle is getting more game time and is also a big option in that area. So I think you will see Dublin surprise teams this year with a very varied kickout.
I think Mayo dont play to their strengths enough. Their strength is running and attacking but (as we seen with Dublin in last 2 games) it takes away from their natural game. Only when Dublin attacked Tyrone and Donegal did they look more natural. Mayo are better than either of these sides but Dublin I think showed in last 15 minutes of each game when they played to their own strengths they could match these teams. Mayo I think are similar.
The negative I saw was the physical side of Mayo tonight. Im not saying Mayo were dirty but on a good few occasions they were trying to nail lads and not going for the ball. Dublin are mentally too strong now to get intimidated by this and it takes the focus away from players. C O'C tackle on McMahon was straight red. If this happened against Tyrone or Donegal you would be choked out of the game. . You know the saying give a dog a bad name......
The other change I would make is I would not be playing Andy Moran or Vaughan from the start. Both have been through the mill and have serious miles on the clock. There is not a great future in continueing with them. Get the young lads in and if needed they would be great to spring off the bench. Lads like Evan Reagan, Boland, Coen is where the future for Mayo lies.
It aint all gloom and doom despite that result tonight.. I think come July and August Mayo will have a big say in the championship0 -
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