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Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

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charlie14

If you start a team with an idea of going for a shoot-out against Dublin in Croke Park you are on a hiding to nowhere.

There two previous games were against Ulster teams where they struggled against a blanket defense.
I did warn here earlier that those two draws could lead to a backlash tonight, so for me, Mayo should have set up to frustrate them first half and then have a cut at them second.

What are Mayo coaches doing with Clarke in training, and have they ever heard that practice makes perfect!

He doesn`t need coaching in any goalkeeping skills other than kick out, and for years now that hasn`t improved.

blanch152

martyos121 wrote: »

David Clarke, what more can you say about him. Best keeper in the country by miles.

Is that irony? He got shown up by his opposite number tonight, who not only made the saves but didn't kick the ball away to the opposition.

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happyoutscan wrote: »

Further proof how stupid dropping him was.

Clarke is an excellent shot stopper, no doubt, best in the country.

But it was not shot stopping that lost Mayo the All Ireland, it was a fumble by a keeper that he would catch 99 times out of 100.

And as others have pointed out, Clarke's kickouts will be the subject of a lot of attention all summer.

I've said it a million times, had Dublin won that All Ireland replay by scoring three more points across the 70+ minutes, form three different players/angles/deadball or from play, rather than from that penalty, then you would never have posted what you just did, because no one would be talking about it.

Fowler87

We've had some good days up there but the bad days are aplenty. That was up there with the worst of them. Where too now..? Keep treading water or unleash these promising U21s from now on. So disheartening that

Stoner

Fowler87 wrote:

We've had some good days up there but the bad days are aplenty. That was up there with the worst of them. Where too now..? Keep treading water or unleash these promising U21s from now on. So disheartening that

TBH imo if you get 3/4 decent players from that U21 team you'll be doing well. Few slot in straight away too, they need 2 or 3 years to bulk up too. Seasoned intercounty lads would make bits of most of them at this stage IMO

blanch152

Fowler87 wrote: »

We've had some good days up there but the bad days are aplenty. That was up there with the worst of them. Where too now..? Keep treading water or unleash these promising U21s from now on. So disheartening that

That's 11 games against Gavin's Dubs and zero wins for Mayo.

Tonight wasn't a surprise or out of the ordinary.

Fowler87

Stoner wrote:

TBH imo if you get 3/4 decent players from that U21 team you'll be doing well. Few slot in straight away too, they need 2 or 3 years to bulk up too. Seasoned intercounty lads would make bits of most of them at this stage IMO

Yeah you're probably right. Decent step up. However the lack of purpose in our full forward line is awful concerning especially with the way Rochford wants to play aka Corofin.

At the end of the day our best bet is to revert back to sweeper and the running game.

PARlance

Stoner wrote: »

TBH imo if you get 3/4 decent players from that U21 team you'll be doing well. Few slot in straight away too, they need 2 or 3 years to bulk up too. Seasoned intercounty lads would make bits of most of them at this stage IMO

Coen & Boland have begun that process. Loftus to a lesser extent. Diarmuid there too obviously. That's 3 who have already shown enough to say they've come through.

Outside of that, Loftus is showing good signs. The likes of Ruane will need a few more years. I'd be happy with those 5 and wouldn't expect more than that.

Fair play to ye tonight.
(Jesus, O'Gara has the finesse of an elephant.)

As for ourselves:

Clarke's kickouts show no sign of improving. This is an absolutely critical aspect of the modern game. I had hoped that this would be addressed this year. He should be spending 80% of his time getting this right.

I was eager to see who swept tonight for us. McLoughlin wasn't the man last year and he's needed as a playmaker. Not playing one at all against ye is just suicidal. Clarke shouldn't have to be saving the day for us in terms of shot stopping if this was in place. Wide open.

Despite being to a Club Final, Keegan needs another month to get up to speed. Proven by the fact that he was put in the FB line.

There's a real worry about DO'C. He hasn't been himself for some time now. Still very good but not his best. My only guess is that he's either been run ragged or mentally tired.

Despite what the Galway men / Conspiracy Theorists / Begrudgers say, Aidan & Seamus are much needed. Aidan needs to be made a Full Forward of if it takes 6 months.

Transition into attack, which killed us last year, is still dire. This is why I would shake it up with testing (a fit) Keegan in the HF line.

Pressure on opposition goal kicks is way too slack. You just can't give Dublin free ball all day long from kick outs.

The 2 former points were highlighted in the 39th minute. We managed a laboured point from Coen but Dublin has tagged one back within 20 seconds of the ball going over the bar. That included a mark. I timed it

Same again a few minutes later after Regans free. McMahon popping up at the other end for an easy score.

Some positives:
Coen and Durcan are fine players who will keep improving.
Keegan will be a different player come championship.
Higgins looks like he's settling in ok at FB. A sweeper to help would be nice.
Boland didn't do much but he rarely does anything wrong, an excellent foot passer which could be utilised to some good effect with AO'S in the FF line.

The main negative:
I was expecting Rochford to have some plan for tonight. There was none. It was more or less the same team and tactics as the previous 3 games.

PARlance

Another slight positive:
Regan is a little better on a surface like tonight. He's not a heavy ground player. He's also not a starter but could be a decent sub if he kicks on a bit and bulks up some more.

km79

Agree with all of what parlance said above very good analysis sir !

I know I mentioned it earlier but I've been thinking about it all the way down and also discicces it after the drawn game Clarkes kick outs are going to be a potential problem if we are in the mix next autumn
He looked very very harried tonight
They were going backwards sideways hanging in the air bit ALWAYS putting the receiver under pressure
A problem

Donal55

Lots of buses parked around Mountjoy Sq this evening.
Credit to the fans who travelled but they deserved a better performance from the team. Match was over as a contest at half time.

PARlance

km79 wrote: »

Agree with all of what parlance said above very good analysis sir !

I know I mentioned it earlier but I've been thinking about it all the way down and also discicces it after the drawn game Clarkes kick outs are going to be a potential problem if we are in the mix next autumn
He looked very very harried tonight
They were going backwards sideways hanging in the air bit ALWAYS putting the receiver under pressure
A problem

A massive problem. He's a fantastic shot stopper and superb under the high ball bit you just can't ingnore those kickouts. Many Mayo supporters like to ignore it and prefer instead to keep harking back to Hennelly being selected for the replay... a bad call but with good logic... Clarke nearly lost us the first game when he had an almighty wobble towards the end.

All this best keeper in the Country stuff is crap. If you haven't an excellent kick out, you're not in the running for that title. I hope it's something that can be addressed because he has everything else.

Stoner

PARlance wrote:

Fair play to ye tonight. (Jesus, O'Gara has the finesse of an elephant.)

He softens things up alright.

PARlance

Stoner wrote: »

He softens things up alright.

That shot on goal in the first half.... 10 yards out and he managed to kick it 50 yards wide and 10 yards behind him.... he has Mayo blood?

Well done. Some team. Some panel. I've been saying it for a while but I can't see any relent in your League record. When you've 30 odd players pushing for Championship spots then there'll never be any slacking in the League. Even though our squad has improved, I don’t think any County can meet that intensity in the League.

We'll get ye in the Championship though

PressRun

PARlance wrote: »

A massive problem. He's a fantastic shot stopper and superb under the high ball bit you just can't ingnore those kickouts. Many Mayo supporters like to ignore it and prefer instead to keep harking back to Hennelly being selected for the replay... a bad call but with good logic... Clarke nearly lost us the first game when he had an almighty wobble towards the end.

All this best keeper in the Country stuff is crap. If you haven't an excellent kick out, you're not in the running for that title. I hope it's something that can be addressed because he has everything else.

He's an excellent shot stopper and a great big tall man to have under the high ball, but his kickouts need major work and I don't know if that will be remedied in time for the championship. People keep saying that his shot stopping abilities some how proves that Rochford should never have dropped him, but his kickouts tonight prove the logic in what Rochford was thinking.

The Talking Bread

Ah, well. It won't be the hope that kills this year, alas.

Just listening to this Documentary on the radio:

I recommend it to get over the match hangover..................http://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/2009/0626/646142-hurt/

Dyr

PARlance wrote: »

That shot on goal in the first half.... 10 yards out and he managed to kick it 50 yards wide and 10 yards behind him.... he has Mayo blood?

Well done. Some team. Some panel. I've been saying it for a while but I can't see any relent in your League record. When you've 30 odd players pushing for Championship spots then there'll never be any slacking in the League. Even though our squad has improved, I don’t think any County can meet that intensity in the League.

We'll get ye in the Championship though

Wat was your full back at for the first ball into O'Gara, standing miles off him ..you'd swear he was afraid of him

You'd want to tell some of your lads to stay out of the fridge from here on, Keegan and a few others look like they've wintered well :eek:

PARlance

Bambi wrote: »

Wat was your full back at for the first ball into O'Gara, standing miles off him ..you'd swear he was afraid of him

You'd want to tell some of your lads to stay out of the fridge from here on, Keegan and a few others look like they've wintered well :eek:

Keegan's arse is being discussed on 2 threads now

There'll be plenty of room in his back pocket for Connolly when the Championship comes around.

Stoner

PARlance wrote:

Keegan's arse is being discussed on 2 threads now.

A thread per cheek?

Dyr

PARlance wrote: »

Keegan's arse is being discussed on 2 threads now There'll be plenty of room in his back pocket for Connolly when the Championship comes around.

Sure Lee has tons of space in his arse pocket..theres no celtic crosses in there.

And while Lee is on the excercise bike yiz may stick that young lad wearing 10 on the weights..he looks fierce light.

km79

Bambi wrote: »

Sure Lee has tons of space in his arse pocket..theres no celtic crosses in there.

And while Lee is on the excercise bike yiz may stick that young lad wearing 10 on the weights..he looks fierce light.

Lovely footballer but as you said he is too light/small for the rough and tumble of real championship football

Panrich

The night was summed up for me when old man Cluxton outpaced Diarmuid O Connor in a foot race for a loose ball. That in a nutshell showed the difference between the two teams tonight.

PARlance

Bambi wrote: »

Sure Lee has tons of space in his arse pocket..theres no celtic crosses in there.

And while Lee is on the excercise bike yiz may stick that young lad wearing 10 on the weights..he looks fierce light.

There's an All Ireland in there Bambi... you're not one of these Dubs who's club is Liverpool are you?

Lee had a better day in CP last month.

LeoB

PARlance wrote: »

Coen & Boland have begun that process. Loftus to a lesser extent. Diarmuid there too obviously. That's 3 who have already shown enough to say they've come through.

Outside of that, Loftus is showing good signs. The likes of Ruane will need a few more years. I'd be happy with those 5 and wouldn't expect more than that.

Fair play to ye tonight.
(Jesus, O'Gara has the finesse of an elephant.)

As for ourselves:

Clarke's kickouts show no sign of improving. This is an absolutely critical aspect of the modern game. I had hoped that this would be addressed this year. He should be spending 80% of his time getting this right.

I was eager to see who swept tonight for us. McLoughlin wasn't the man last year and he's needed as a playmaker. Not playing one at all against ye is just suicidal. Clarke shouldn't have to be saving the day for us in terms of shot stopping if this was in place. Wide open.

Despite being to a Club Final, Keegan needs another month to get up to speed. Proven by the fact that he was put in the FB line.

There's a real worry about DO'C. He hasn't been himself for some time now. Still very good but not his best. My only guess is that he's either been run ragged or mentally tired.

Despite what the Galway men / Conspiracy Theorists / Begrudgers say, Aidan & Seamus are much needed. Aidan needs to be made a Full Forward of if it takes 6 months.

Transition into attack, which killed us last year, is still dire. This is why I would shake it up with testing (a fit) Keegan in the HF line.

Pressure on opposition goal kicks is way too slack. You just can't give Dublin free ball all day long from kick outs.

The 2 former points were highlighted in the 39th minute. We managed a laboured point from Coen but Dublin has tagged one back within 20 seconds of the ball going over the bar. That included a mark. I timed it
Same again a few minutes later after Regans free. McMahon popping up at the other end for an easy score.

Some positives:
Coen and Durcan are fine players who will keep improving.
Keegan will be a different player come championship.
Higgins looks like he's settling in ok at FB. A sweeper to help would be nice.
Boland didn't do much but he rarely does anything wrong, an excellent foot passer which could be utilised to some good effect with AO'S in the FF line.

The main negative:
I was expecting Rochford to have some plan for tonight. There was none. It was more or less the same team and tactics as the previous 3 games.

Great post. A few points from the top.

I think these young lads should be starting all the games. If a lad has promise as a minor games need to be organised for them to play in as 19 year olds.If they are good enough they are old enough. This is an area where Dublin and Kerry have excelled. That Boland is class, great vision and will only get better with games as will Coen and Loftus.

O'Gara breaks our hearts. You just dont know what he will do. I think his brother will come very close to feature come championship time.

Clarkes kickouts. I dont know how he can be accurate kicking off the cone he uses. The tee used by some keepers are I feel for lads with weak kickouts or lads going for distance. The way kickouts are now accuracy is vital and you cant get them off these tees or his case cones.

McLoughlin is the man who can link defence and attack and in future Boland. Both are good at getting space and both can kick pass accurately.

I understand your point about pressuring kickouts but Dublin with Fenton now have an option they didnt have previously. With Flynn now well rested and MDMA Dublin have serious ball winning options now, O'Conaighle is getting more game time and is also a big option in that area. So I think you will see Dublin surprise teams this year with a very varied kickout.

I think Mayo dont play to their strengths enough. Their strength is running and attacking but (as we seen with Dublin in last 2 games) it takes away from their natural game. Only when Dublin attacked Tyrone and Donegal did they look more natural. Mayo are better than either of these sides but Dublin I think showed in last 15 minutes of each game when they played to their own strengths they could match these teams. Mayo I think are similar.

The negative I saw was the physical side of Mayo tonight. Im not saying Mayo were dirty but on a good few occasions they were trying to nail lads and not going for the ball. Dublin are mentally too strong now to get intimidated by this and it takes the focus away from players. C O'C tackle on McMahon was straight red. If this happened against Tyrone or Donegal you would be choked out of the game. . You know the saying give a dog a bad name......

The other change I would make is I would not be playing Andy Moran or Vaughan from the start. Both have been through the mill and have serious miles on the clock. There is not a great future in continueing with them. Get the young lads in and if needed they would be great to spring off the bench. Lads like Evan Reagan, Boland, Coen is where the future for Mayo lies.

It aint all gloom and doom despite that result tonight.. I think come July and August Mayo will have a big say in the championship

DDC1990

The goal chance before the Dublin goal came from a crazy miscommunication between Durcan and Boyle.

Mayo started off Man to Man initially, but having been cut open they switched after 8 minutes to having Boyle sweep back.

Dublin had the ball at midfield, and Boyle was just settling into the role. He turned his back to play and was talking to Durcan. It was as if they were going to swap roles, because Durcan ran out towards him, and Dublin just popped the ball over both of their heads to the free man.

Luckily Clarke was on hand, but the kickout was a poor hanging effort which favoured the Dublin players who had pushed up and thwn they had 3 options available to score the goal really.

It was poor stuff from start to finish from Mayo. It was funny listening to Dublin complain a few weeks ago about Tyrone's tactics, but on several occasions in the First half last night they had 15 players behind the ball. They also attacked laterally over and back ad nausium, handpass after handpass, something they moaned about as well.

However the second half was different. They pushed right up, to the point where they had 11 men inside the Mayo 45 at a number of stages, and laid siege. They won the midfield battle with ease and swept up every break. They pushed up on the Mayo short kickouts and even successful kickouts found walls of Dublin defenders meeting them before halfway.

Their attacking angles were brilliant and the kicked somw great scores in the second half.

I didn't think the score was flattering considering the goal chances missed.

The forwards were very poor.
Andy and Cillian were way off. Boland couldn't get himself involved in the play. Kevin got on a lot of ball and looked most dangerous, but ran the ball into trouble too often. Diarmuid did a lot of running but disappeared for periods in the second half. I saw a bit of a spark in Evan Regan. I've always regarded him as a little bit afraid of the tougher opponents (this coming from someone who doesn't see him play often at all). However last night he kept showing for it, won posession out in front and ran bravely at Dublin. Poor finishing though.

Clarke was obviously fantastic bar the kickout. Backs struggled but woth the amount of Dublin posession it's not surprising. Higgins impressed me, but the rest of the lads were under severe pressure. One moment from Colm Boyle really showed his character. In the second half with the game well over, a ball was near the aideline and Colm seemed to be on his own against e Dublin players, but he battled on his hands and knees to stop a player in blue getting the ball before a hop ball was given. A positive moment in amongst the mess.

Anyway petrified of Dublin's impending trip to Tralee. Target practice comes to mind. Hoping we get a few of the old lads back in the team and make **** of the game tbh and keep the score down.

Audioslaven

PressRun wrote: »

He's an excellent shot stopper and a great big tall man to have under the high ball, but his kickouts need major work and I don't know if that will be remedied in time for the championship. People keep saying that his shot stopping abilities some how proves that Rochford should never have dropped him, but his kickouts tonight prove the logic in what Rochford was thinking.

Rochford's decision was wrong for the replay. The kick outs last year were not really a problem with Clarke. He had a few bad ones at around the 65 -70 minutes at the drawn game but the showing by the players at that point was missing as well.

I think you are using last nights display to justify a decision that Rochford did last year which makes no sense. Clarke irrespective of any issues with his kicks out from last night's game is the best keeper for Mayo

km79

Audioslaven wrote: »

Rochford's decision was wrong for the replay. The kick outs last year were not really a problem with Clarke. He had a few bad ones at around the 65 -70 minutes at the drawn game but the showing by the players at that point was missing as well.

I think you are using last nights display to justify a decision that Rochford did last year which makes no sense. Clarke irrespective of any issues with his kicks out from last night's game is the best keeper for Mayo

He is
BUT
The dubs target his kickouts and will do so again if we meet later in the summer .
We need a plan B for the kickouts as a whole but I suppose we were missing the option of going long to the o Shea's as NOBODY was capable of winning their own ball

But sure some would have the o Shea's on the bench too cos we have so many better options apparently

Again illsay look back at both matches last year and see just how much ball Aidan won and scored he laid on
Seamie poor first game nearly our MOTM second game

Oldtree

Clarke was fantastic but needs to take his time a bit more on the kickouts.
Another positive was the low Dublin score in the first half.
The basics seemed to have been overlooked.
The back and half backs didn't do a whole lot to loose their markers on kickouts. A keeper needs them to work hard for kickouts.
The marking was far to loose with dubs being allowed 10 or more meters at times when we were being attacked, esp up the opposite wing, and up to 3 of them free at a time in this situation.
Posession There seemed to be panic with the final pass in plays simply giving the ball away wasting the attack.
I can only hope that there was some rational behind this like a trial by fire.
I don't understand how it came apart so quickly.

Stoner

km79 wrote:

as NOBODY was capable of winning their own ball

You'd imagine with decent options at halfback that Mayo will have to get more from Lee Keegan. There should be more benifit to the team from having a current FOTY.
We know he can score, but helping out in midfield like some other noted talents do is something I think there is a win in for Mayo. He could provide better options for kickouts, it might be unpopular here but I think there is an over emphasis on keeping his man scoreless

Fowler87

He plays on the edge that's why Lee is normally designated marker against opposition best. No doubt it nullify his attacking threat no more than McLoughlin when he's used as sweeper. Big decisions to be made regardless. Keegan in half forward role would be interesting