Criminal Record for... Finding 20 Quid

Koptain Liverpool · 01-03-2017 02:31PM

I once found an envelope containing about 2k in an envelope on the floor of a SPAR.

I handed it in straight away.

Who carries around 2k in cash though? Drug dealers?

Lt Dan · 01-03-2017 02:35PM

learn_more wrote: »

Edit: My bad; no criminal record but was convicted of theft.

A woman in England has been convicted of theft for picking up a 20 pound note she found in a shop.

Now I know the moral thing to do would be to find out who lost it and return it to them. But ffs, 20 quid ?

If I picked up a wallet with a wad of notes in it I wouldn't feel good about keeping it, but I wouldn't think twice about keeping a measly 20 quid. I'd just feel it was my lucky day and blow in on something.

And before anyone says it might be someone's last 20 quid then if that's true you'd think they'd be a bit more careful with it : )

How anyone could report a person to the police for such a small sum of money is beyond me. Funny how no one would question the morals of doing that.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-39119990

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/woman-nicole-bailey-kept-20-note-one-stop-burton-stoke-on-trent-criminal-record-staff-poketed-a7603576.html

The moral is do not steal other people's property. It is irrelevant whether that property is worth 100 quid or 20 quid!:rolleyes:

Thankfully, with your morals all over the shop, we have laws. The law forbids the stealing or conversion of property of another

What if the true owner of the twenty quid came forward. The point is to discourage dishonest people taking that so called measly 20 quid

The book deserved to be thrown at her

Don't touch what is not yours. At least until every effort was made to find the true owner

Lt Dan · 01-03-2017 02:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Im hoping there is a large part of the story missing from the article otherwise...

Not sure I'd agree. You find 20 quid in the street, it could have belonged to anyone, do you go round to each person saying is this yours? Lets face it, someone is going to say yes when it isnt theirs. What if the CCTV shows you picking up the money but doesnt show you giving it to the person who said it was theirs? Do you still get a day in court?

It does not remotely matter one bit what you agree to or not. That is the law and the poster to whom you are responding to is factually and legally correct.

If that person who says yes, and it is not theirs, that is theft on their part.

Wouldn't the police not question the person receiving the money before running to court? But the police bother if there is genuine doubt as it is foreseeable that the CCTV camera might not cover everything?

end of the road · 01-03-2017 02:41PM

this was a complete waste of everyone's time and money.

Xterminator · 01-03-2017 02:41PM

Koptain Liverpool wrote: »

I once found an envelope containing about 2k in an envelope on the floor of a SPAR....
Who carries around 2k in cash though? Drug dealers?

It could have been a small redundancy payment, or someones last paycheck etc. you did the right thing.

Lt Dan · 01-03-2017 02:42PM

kneemos wrote: »

Obviously some ****tard who gets off on calling the cops.

Possibly the person who lost the money and saw the theft . Best not approach some people and look for it back themselves. Also if you say someone doing something illegal, why let them get away with it?

Lt Dan · 01-03-2017 02:43PM

end of the road wrote: »

this was a waste of everyone's time.

No it was not. People who behave like that should be publicly humiliated and punished. What is 5-6 minutes of court time?

Neyite · 01-03-2017 02:48PM

If you hand in money to the Gardai and nobody claims it after a year, they send it back to you.

I nearly died when I got a letter with the Garda logo. I was convinced I'd picked up penalty points or a summons in that few moments so I was stunned to open it to find cash. I'd handed it in over a year ago and promptly forgot about it.

Another time I saw a fiver on the ground in the queue in Centra. Asked the woman being served did she drop it, and she said yeah. But clearly lying through her teeth. Next time I'll hand it to the shop assistant instead.

Lt Dan · 01-03-2017 02:48PM

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

So what's your solution if its not up for debate? Hand into the Police? Because they're totally not gonna pocket it...

The person to whom you are responding to, correct pointed out to another person that that person's interpretation is utterly irrelevant, and factual and legally incorrect. That is all that was said by the poster to whom you responded to. Why waste time debating actual facts and the law, especially when one is incorrect on the basics?

Now, if the issue was , is this really right,or is the law an ass, fair enough, then that might be debatable. But that was not the issue, hence the poster saying that it was not up for debate

Lt Dan · 01-03-2017 02:52PM

Koptain Liverpool wrote: »

I once found an envelope containing about 2k in an envelope on the floor of a SPAR.

I handed it in straight away.

Who carries around 2k in cash though? Drug dealers?

2K is nothing! That is just lunch money for some :cool:

People going in and out of bookies might have had a good win. Perhaps some dodgy business provider that is not drug related only accept cash? Perhaps one is coming from the bank after taking the money out of their account? Wages? Redundancy ?

Anyway, well done, you are not going to hell. I hope the true owner got his or her money back - would be a horrible feeling to know that the envelope just slipped out of the pocket. Happened to me once with €500 in it, from my auld fella . Felt like a complete idiot to loosing it, it is what you would expect a child to do .Thankfully , someone decent had handed it and the staff were decent to tell me. (I wanted to throw a few quid for a few pints to the finder but did not know who it was so I offered it to the shop staff who refused it, not allowed apparently)

Arghus · 01-03-2017 02:56PM

It'll certainly make me think twice about picking up a twenty on the street. Like, I'll still do it, but I'll think about it a bit.

end of the road · 01-03-2017 03:45PM

Lt Dan wrote: »

No it was not.

it really was. the resources could be used on important things.

Lt Dan wrote: »

What is 5-6 minutes of court time?

a waste of tax payers money and resources.

Graces7 · 01-03-2017 06:11PM

A couple or three years ago, a young woman, the worse for drink/drugs, and needing to get home a fair distance, sought help from the Mercy Sisters in I think Longford ( cannot find the report; maybe someone else can)

They said they would pay her bus fare and drive her to the bus station.

On the way there, the girl stole E20 from Sister's purse.

Sister reported her to the Gardai and pressed charges.

Girl went to jail for three months. Prison record.

We were so angry we wanted to send the girl E20 so show her we were not all like that but could not find how or where.

KERSPLAT! · 01-03-2017 06:16PM

Graces7 wrote: »

A couple or three years ago, a young woman, the worse for drink/drugs, and needing to get home a fair distance, sought help from the Mercy Sisters in I think Longford ( cannot find the report; maybe someone else can)

They said they would pay her bus fare and drive her to the bus station.

On the way there, the girl stole E20 from Sister's purse.

Sister reported her to the Gardai and pressed charges.

Girl went to jail for three months. Prison record.

We were so angry we wanted to send the girl E20 so show her we were not all like that but could not find how or where.

3 months for €20... would love to see that article...

bodhrandude · 01-03-2017 07:32PM

The girl in the OP's post she should have told the police to go and fcuk themselves finders keepers and the same to the courts she was in.

Glenster · 01-03-2017 07:42PM

Its not like she found it floating in a wasteland.

Woman walks into a shop and walks out with £20 that isn't hers = a thief.

Lock her up.

Timberrrrrrrr · 01-03-2017 07:58PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

The girl in the OP's post she should have told the police to go and fcuk themselves finders keepers and the same to the courts she was in.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/28/woman-who-found-20-on-the-floor-ended-up-with-a-criminal-record-for-pocketing-it-6477942/

Now police have warned people to forget the old ‘finders keepers’ saying it’s a crime to keep money or goods someone else has lost.

Graces7 · 01-03-2017 08:14PM

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

3 months for €20... would love to see that article...

Sorry I could not find it. Will try again; it was on a local news site maybe breakingnews.ie

Lt Dan · 01-03-2017 09:20PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

The girl in the OP's post she should have told the police to go and fcuk themselves finders keepers and the same to the courts she was in.

Your a very nice person :rolleyes:

Thankfully , the law laughs at your opinion if or when caught

Lt Dan · 01-03-2017 09:21PM

Glenster wrote: »

Its not like she found it floating in a wasteland.

Woman walks into a shop and walks out with £20 that isn't hers = a thief.

Lock her up.

And take her welfare claims off her.

Lt Dan · 01-03-2017 09:26PM

end of the road wrote: »

it really was. the resources could be used on important things.

a waste of tax payers money and resources.

Like What? Cops are on the street anyway, and if not, a bit of a walk down to the shops would not do them the world of harm. Paper work takes 10 minutes. Court time takes 10 minutes - just one extra case for the judge to look at. What possible defence or evidence is required ?

By your reckoning we should ignore our laws

Considering the amount of money actually wasted, heaven forbid that we worry about €200 quid worth of cost for them to do their actual job

osarusan · 01-03-2017 09:34PM

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

3 months for €20... would love to see that article...

It was 4 months for €40.

CalamariFritti · 01-03-2017 09:42PM

Finding 20 quid in the street and you keeping it means it's theft? Thats ridiculous.
Morally...there has to be a reasonable chance the money will make its way back to its rightful owner. Not saying certain or probably, a chance even. If that reasonable chance isn't there its just that someone else is going to pocket the money anyway. Might as well be me.
I wouldn't even think twice about it. Theft. lol.

Timberrrrrrrr · 01-03-2017 09:58PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Finding 20 quid in the street and you keeping it means it's theft? Thats ridiculous.
Morally...there has to be a reasonable chance the money will make its way back to its rightful owner. Not saying certain or probably, a chance even. If that reasonable chance isn't there its just that someone else is going to pocket the money anyway. Might as well be me.
I wouldn't even think twice about it. Theft. lol.

Again

It wasn't in the street.

CalamariFritti · 01-03-2017 10:10PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Again

It wasn't in the street.

I didn't say it was. Others likened it to finding money in the street. I'm responding to that.

WellThen? · 01-03-2017 10:13PM

Yous are all being ridiculous over this 20 quid. The whole thing is stupid ....its 20 quid. And no, its not the same as a larger amount because its a small amount.

Theft? She found it. Yeah in a shop who cares, she didn't take it out the till. What a waste of time.

BalcombeSt4 · 01-03-2017 11:34PM

Peregrinus wrote: »

Take the money to the enquiry desk or a staff member. Either leave the money with them or leave them your name and address.

You could also ask the people immediately around if they have dropped it, if there are any people immediately around.

This is so made up, you'd go to the nearest pub & spend it.

BalcombeSt4 · 01-03-2017 11:41PM

Lt Dan wrote: »

2K is nothing! That is just lunch money for some :cool:

People going in and out of bookies might have had a good win. Perhaps some dodgy business provider that is not drug related only accept cash? Perhaps one is coming from the bank after taking the money out of their account? Wages? Redundancy ?

Anyway, well done, you are not going to hell. I hope the true owner got his or her money back - would be a horrible feeling to know that the envelope just slipped out of the pocket. Happened to me once with €500 in it, from my auld fella . Felt like a complete idiot to loosing it, it is what you would expect a child to do .Thankfully , someone decent had handed it and the staff were decent to tell me. (I wanted to throw a few quid for a few pints to the finder but did not know who it was so I offered it to the shop staff who refused it, not allowed apparently)

Nobody is, there is no such place.

BalcombeSt4 · 01-03-2017 11:42PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I didn't say it was. Others likened it to finding money in the street. I'm responding to that.

On Sunday I found a fiver, I found 50€ last year.

Samuel T. Cogley · 02-03-2017 01:14AM

Lt Dan wrote: »

Like What? Cops are on the street anyway, and if not, a bit of a walk down to the shops would not do them the world of harm. Paper work takes 10 minutes. Court time takes 10 minutes - just one extra case for the judge to look at. What possible defence or evidence is required ?

By your reckoning we should ignore our laws

Considering the amount of money actually wasted, heaven forbid that we worry about €200 quid worth of cost for them to do their actual job

Cops time, Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) (Opposite number to the DPP) reviewing the case. Defence engaged probably on legal aid, Case being listed taking half a day of scrum in the DC, although it would probably proceed at that point here IIRC. The guts of a couple of grand easily.

Criminal Record for... Finding 20 Quid

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