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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • #3662
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,081 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    long_b wrote: »
    But doesn't OpenEir even passing your house exclude you from the NBP by virtue of you being serviced by a commercial ISP who can supply the requisite speed?

    Are you 'being serviced by a commercial ISP' if you do not have a connection?

    I don't know .....


  • #3663
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,850 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    9726_9726 wrote: »
    Yes, the blue lines will eventually have to be taken out of the NBP intervention area.

    Those that are live and available to order, sure. The rest? Maybe.


  • #3664
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    9726_9726 wrote: »
    Yes, the blue lines will eventually have to be taken out of the NBP intervention area.

    As oscarBravo says the live blue line areas will. This offers one explanation for how Openeir apparently got their 100K premises by end of March 2017 so wrong.

    Would a company that has several years experience rolling out a fibre to the cabinet network be so incompetent that they look likely to reach only at a maximum 20% of their planned premises in their stated time frame?

    Or was it a stunt to attempt to force the Department's hand in taking Openeir at their word and removing 100K premises from the NBP intervention area? If it was a stunt where does this leave their 300K by end of 2018 announcement?

    KOR101 posted recently in the NBP thread about another potential delay for the Plan. If it is delayed further will this have a knock-on effect on Openeir's roll-out as the two seem inextricably linked?


  • #3665
    KOR101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    9726_9726 wrote: »
    Yes, the blue lines will eventually have to be taken out of the NBP intervention area.
    The Department chose to leave those properties in the intervention area the last time they updated the numbers. Another announcement is due February, or is that going to be yet another missed deadline.

    This is the Minister on the 23rd February.

    My Department will shortly update the High Speed Broadband map to finalise the Intervention Area for the Procurement process, taking into account industry investments that have not materialised in Blue areas, together with new industry investments within the proposed State Intervention Area, along with concrete and credible commitments by industry for further new investments within the Intervention Area.

    https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2017-02-23a.1118&s=national+broadband+plan


  • #3666
    KOR101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    KOR101 posted recently in the NBP thread about another potential delay for the Plan. If it is delayed further will this have a knock-on effect on Openeir's roll-out as the two seem inextricably linked?
    There is a chance that Kenny was speaking off the cuff and simply forgot that we had entered a new year.


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  • #3667
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    KOR101 wrote: »
    The Department chose to leave those properties in the intervention area the last time they updated the numbers. Another announcement is due February, or is that going to be yet another missed deadline.

    This is the Minister on the 23rd February.

    My Department will shortly update the High Speed Broadband map to finalise the Intervention Area for the Procurement process, taking into account industry investments that have not materialised in Blue areas, together with new industry investments within the proposed State Intervention Area, along with concrete and credible commitments by industry for further new investments within the Intervention Area.

    https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2017-02-23a.1118&s=national+broadband+plan

    Realistically the live areas will have to be removed.


  • #3668
    long_b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,982 ✭✭✭long_b


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    Realistically the live areas will have to be removed.

    It'll be one hell of a map once they cut out all the blue lines but leave in the little sections between them. Sometimes just a few 100 meters worth of houses that aren't covered?


  • #3669
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    long_b wrote: »
    It'll be one hell of a map once they cut out all the blue lines but leave in the little sections between them. Sometimes just a few 100 meters worth of houses that aren't covered?

    That is what eir wanted. Makes them economically unviable for other operators.


  • #3670
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,410 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    very easy and cheap for Eir to fill in those gaps, hell for anyone else.


  • #3671
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    No updates from the OpenEir pages/twitter feed in a few weeks now - seems to be slowing down even more.
    Why am I not surprised. :rolleyes:


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  • #3672
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,410 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    damienirel wrote: »
    No updates from the OpenEir pages/twitter feed in a few weeks now - seems to be slowing down even more.
    Why am I not surprised. :rolleyes:

    OpenEir stopped marketing/tweeting since their last broadband briefing at Castletownbere on November 21.

    All that has happened since is a few retweets of the silver surfer awards. They were hyping the rural rollout during the summer and early September, back then very little was happening on the ground and now that it is, there is no marketing.


  • #3673
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,410 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Eir now claim to have 500,000 fibre based customers using services. They are still on track to complete the 300,000 rural FTTH premises passed by end of 2018.

    https://www.siliconrepublic.com/companies/eir-broadband


  • #3674
    9726_9726
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭9726_9726


    long_b wrote: »
    It'll be one hell of a map once they cut out all the blue lines but leave in the little sections between them. Sometimes just a few 100 meters worth of houses that aren't covered?

    They really chopped the living $hit out of the map for sure. The Dept. must be fuming.


  • #3675
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    Gonzo wrote: »
    OpenEir stopped marketing/tweeting since their last broadband briefing at Castletownbere on November 21.

    All that has happened since is a few retweets of the silver surfer awards. They were hyping the rural rollout during the summer and early September, back then very little was happening on the ground and now that it is, there is no marketing.

    There is nada happening round my area - although I see Siro working now.


  • #3676
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    9726_9726 wrote: »
    They really chopped the living $hit out of the map for sure. The Dept. must be fuming.

    Why would they be fuming??


  • #3677
    digiman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭digiman


    9726_9726 wrote: »
    They really chopped the living $hit out of the map for sure. The Dept. must be fuming.

    Pure genius master stroke in fairness. Unfortunately it's all to do with them getting the best price when floating at the expense of the rural folks in this country. I don't see how the other parties will be able to continue in the process now.

    If they were connecting people up you wouldn't really mind though.


  • #3678
    digiman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭digiman


    damienirel wrote: »
    Why would they be fuming??

    Because they had 3 bidders being able to compete on a near level playing field, but now the only bidder that will come back with a reasonable price is Eir. The thing is Eir now know that SIRO and ENET will be extremely costly so all Eir really have to do is be a little less extremely costly and they will win it! And it's hard to know if SIRO or ENET would even bother going much further in the process now.


  • #3679
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    digiman wrote: »
    Pure genius master stroke in fairness. Unfortunately it's all to do with them getting the best price when floating at the expense of the rural folks in this country. I don't see how the other parties will be able to continue in the process now.

    If they were connecting people up you wouldn't really mind though.

    Don't see how a network that doesn't exist yet - that is only a map with blue lines all over the place helps their share value?


  • #3680
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    digiman wrote: »
    Because they had 3 bidders being able to compete on a near level playing field, but now the only bidder that will come back with a reasonable price is Eir. The thing is Eir now know that SIRO and ENET will be extremely costly so all Eir really have to do is be a little less extremely costly and they will win it! And it's hard to know if SIRO or ENET would even bother going much further in the process now.


    But this blue line map has been up for ages don't see how it makes any difference unless they actually complete a vast amount of it before the tender?


  • #3681
    digiman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭digiman


    damienirel wrote: »
    Don't see how a network that doesn't exist yet - that is only a map with blue lines all over the place helps their share value?
    damienirel wrote: »
    But this blue line map has been up for ages don't see how it makes any difference unless they actually complete a vast amount of it before the tender?

    If the department gets Eir to commit to passing these strategically placed 300k homes and then have them removed the NBP plan, then Eir know that no other bidder will be able to compete with them on it so they would basically win it by default.

    The department now to need to concern themselves with not only homes being "passed" but homes been "connectable". There is quite an important distinction between these two. If Eir are passing only and not connecting them then it doesn't meet the departments requirements. I hope for the sake of us all that the department don't drop the ball on this.


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  • #3682
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,850 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    digiman wrote: »
    If the department believes that they can do it and remove these strategically placed 300k homes from the list of homes from the NBP then Eir know that no other bidder will be able to compete with them on it so they would basically win it by default.

    The Department have already made it clear that it's not a question of belief. They'll remove areas from the map on the basis of a binding contractual commitment to cover them, not on the basis of a marketing exercise.


  • #3683
    digiman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭digiman


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    The Department have already made it clear that it's not a question of belief. They'll remove areas from the map on the basis of a binding contractual commitment to cover them, not on the basis of a marketing exercise.

    You are right, I've updated my post!


  • #3684
    John1993W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 ✭John1993W


    Got a call today saying that I can't get fibre when a rep already called to the house, signed us up with road works with KN/Diffusion directly outside my house for the past few months which is also a blue lined road according to Open Eirs rollout site.

    They said it has something to do with our eircode and although we may be in a fiber area, our house and I quote, "can't geh it" or some bull****.


  • #3685
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,410 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    John1993W wrote: »
    Got a call today saying that I can't get fibre when a rep already called to the house, signed us up with road works with KN/Diffusion directly outside my house which is also a blue lined road according to open eirs site.

    They said it has something to do with our eircode and not being in the area or some bull****.

    ring them up again, get the code for the pole your line is associated with and the splice box nearest to your home which will provide the fibre. I really hope I don't end up with this issue as the line checker for me does not show the 'fibre may be available in your area message' and no eircode checker.


  • #3686
    long_b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,982 ✭✭✭long_b


    John1993W wrote: »
    Got a call today saying that I can't get fibre when a rep already called to the house, signed us up with road works with KN/Diffusion directly outside my house which is also a blue lined road according to open eirs site.

    They said it has something to do with our eircode and not being in the area or some bull****.

    That's extremely unsettling. Was it from sales?


  • #3687
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,410 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    long_b wrote: »
    That's extremely unsettling. Was it from sales?

    it certainly has me concerned, Shyboy had same issues and eventually got it sorted. I just get the feeling I am gonna have similar problems as the line checker for me is not showing the same info as all the other lines before and after my home.


  • #3688
    Jf117
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 ✭Jf117


    I have the same issue since Rep called before Christmas. Area was going live on 28th of December and some houses beside mine have got connected. I am almost giving up at this stage.


  • #3689
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,081 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    John1993W wrote: »
    Got a call today saying that I can't get fibre when a rep already called to the house, signed us up with road works with KN/Diffusion directly outside my house which is also a blue lined road according to open eirs site.

    They said it has something to do with our eircode and not being in the area or some bull****.

    As well as what Gonzo posted, emphasise 'Fibre Extreme' ..... else they are talking about FTTC -- most seem to do so.


  • #3690
    John1993W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 ✭John1993W


    Gonzo wrote: »
    ring them up again, get the code for the pole your line is associated with and the splice box nearest to your home which will provide the fibre. I really hope I don't end up with this issue as the line checker for me does not show the 'fibre may be available in your area message' and no eircode checker.

    What's even more alarming is that when we asked will there ever be a time when we could get it or the area upgraded once again they said something along the lines of "area already upgraded so probably not".

    So what, are we going to be bypassed by the government's NBP in 2020 because we are already in a fiber area and live into the 2030's with 5mbps speeds?


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  • #3691
    KOR101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    John1993W wrote: »
    What's even more alarming is that when we asked will there ever be a time when we could get it or the area upgraded once again they said something along the lines of "area already upgraded so probably not".

    So what, are we going to be bypassed by the government's NBP in 2020 because we are already in a fiber area and live into the 2030's with 5mbps speeds?
    You will be included in the NBP if you contact department.

    My Department is actively monitoring the commercial deployment plans in the BLUE areas to ensure that all premises can get access to services. In this regard, direct feedback from consumers is important and if customers in these areas cannot access high speed broadband services, I would encourage them to contact my Department directly at broadband@dccae.gov.ie, quoting their address and Eircode and giving details of providers they have contacted with a view to obtaining services.


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