Lock, Stock and Chitchat a Seacht

davidk1394 · 27-02-2017 01:49PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Teenagers going for a few pints of cider:pac:

I'd say the heifers were easier to round up. Neighbours were very helpful. Kept them in on the grass margin and walked them back nice and handy. Most of the drivers slowed down and gave us room.

farmersfriend · 27-02-2017 02:09PM

davidk1394 wrote: »

I'd say the heifers were easier to round up. Neighbours were very helpful. Kept them in on the grass margin and walked them back nice and handy. Most of the drivers slowed down and gave us room.

Can't beat good neighbours

whelan2 · 27-02-2017 02:51PM

Tb testing done. Blooded everything over 2 for johnes. Blooding really slows everything down

davidk1394 · 27-02-2017 02:56PM

farmersfriend wrote: »

Can't beat good neighbours

Their worth their weight in gold

foxy farmer · 27-02-2017 03:01PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Tb testing done. Blooded everything over 2 for johnes. Blooding really slows everything down

Dairy animals are good to let down blood. Sucklers are as slow as a wet week to fill a sample. Getting rid of Brucellosis testing was a godsend. Would add 1.5hrs to the first day. 60-80 females to be done here normally.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 27-02-2017 03:09PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Tb testing done. Blooded everything over 2 for johnes. Blooding really slows everything down

How much does Johnes testing cost, Whelan?

I might rejoin if the TB test falls right this year.

whelan2 · 27-02-2017 03:12PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

How much does Johnes testing cost, Whelan?

I might rejoin if the TB test falls right this year.

Dont know. Will find out. Vet sais he tested a herd a few weeks ago and there was over 30 positives for johnes

KatyMac · 27-02-2017 03:20PM

Vet at KT meeting was saying regarding test for Johnes that the positive test was a true result (the animal is positive) but the negative test might turn out to be a positive one if you did a faeces sample. It sounded to me like you are guilty until really, really, really proven innocent. How the heck are we supposed to get that out of the national herd?

Buford T. Justice XIX · 27-02-2017 03:22PM

KatyMac wrote: »

Vet at KT meeting was saying regarding test for Johnes that the positive test was a true result (the animal is positive) but the negative test might turn out to be a positive one if you did a faeces sample. It sounded to me like you are guilty until really, really, really proven innocent. How the heck are we supposed to get that out of the national herd?

Slowly, very, very slowly.

whelan2 · 27-02-2017 03:31PM

This is my 3rd year testing , I am not in the johnes scheme anymore. Hopefully I am 3 years ahead if/when a proper scheme comes in

deise toffee · 27-02-2017 07:55PM

whelan2 wrote: »

This is my 3rd year testing , I am not in the johnes scheme anymore. Hopefully I am 3 years ahead if/when a proper scheme comes in

Is there a lot of it around in dairy herds?

whelan2 · 27-02-2017 07:58PM

deise toffee wrote: »

Is there a lot of it around in dairy herds?

Yes especially where stock were bought in. Unfortunately you cannot test until the animal is over 2 years.

Farrell · 27-02-2017 08:40PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Yes especially where stock were bought in. Unfortunately you cannot test until the animal is over 2 years.

Is johnes procedure a vaccine / test / both?

whelan2 · 27-02-2017 08:43PM

Farrell wrote: »

Is johnes procedure a vaccine / test / both?

No vaccine/cure for Johnes , is that what you are asking? Blood testing is not 100% accurate either

tanko · 27-02-2017 08:50PM

Can Johnes be passed from one cow to another or is it passed from mother to daughter?

ganmo · 27-02-2017 08:56PM

tanko wrote: »

Can Johnes be passed from one cow to another or is it passed from mother to daughter?

mainly through the milk.
its related to tb

Farrell · 27-02-2017 08:57PM

whelan2 wrote: »

No vaccine/cure for Johnes , is that what you are asking? Blood testing is not 100% accurate either

Was at a KT meeting recently & the vet mentioned vaccination program @ €18 per cow, remember thinking I'll look into it for next year & johnes was mentioned that night too

Base price · 27-02-2017 09:08PM

ganmo wrote: »

mainly through the milk.
its related to tb

Is that why dairy farmers use cmr to rear replacements?

whelan2 · 27-02-2017 09:10PM

Farrell wrote: »

Was at a KT meeting recently & the vet mentioned vaccination program @ €18 per cow, remember thinking I'll look into it for next year & johnes was mentioned that night too

Never heard of a vaccine for it tbh. Passed on through milk and dung.

whelan2 · 27-02-2017 09:11PM

Base price wrote: »

Is that why dairy farmers use cmr to rear replacements?

Yes but if you are using vaccines such as rotavec the calf has to get the treated biestings for at least the first 12 days

Farrell · 27-02-2017 09:14PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Never heard of a vaccine for it tbh. Passed on through milk and dung.

Is it a worthwhile test?
Do you cull straight away?

Base price · 27-02-2017 09:15PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Yes but if you are using vaccines such as rotavec the calf has to get the treated biestings for at least the first 12 days

Just read up a bit about it from the Dept website and it says that young stock (replacement calves) should not be grazed on grassland that was spread with contaminated slurry the previous year. It must be fairly contagious if that's the case.
https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/animalhealthwelfare/diseasecontrols/johnes3.pdf

whelan2 · 27-02-2017 09:17PM

Farrell wrote: »

Is it a worthwhile test?
Do you cull straight away?

Yes . If heavy in calf will wait until they calve down. I am in the process of culling cow families that have it. You can also get false positives

rangler1 · 27-02-2017 09:24PM

Base price wrote: »

Just read up a bit about it from the Dept website and it says that young stock (replacement calves) should not be grazed on grassland that was spread with contaminated slurry the previous year. It must be fairly contagious if that's the case.
https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/animalhealthwelfare/diseasecontrols/johnes3.pdf

There's supposed to link to CROHNS disease in humans too, not surprising if Johnes spreads in the milk

Base price · 27-02-2017 09:46PM

rangler1 wrote: »

There's supposed to link to CROHNS disease in humans too, not surprising if Johnes spreads in the milk

I would assume that pasteurisation kills the MAP bacteria.

The man in red and black · 27-02-2017 10:06PM

Base price wrote: »

I would assume that pasteurisation kills the MAP bacteria.

Unfortunately not consistently. It is possible to culture MAP from pasteurized milk. The link to Crohns disease hasn't been proven. If it is proven the dairy industry is ruined and we will all be drinking UHT milk!

whelan2 · 28-02-2017 05:59AM

The man in red and black wrote: »

Unfortunately not consistently. It is possible to culture MAP from pasteurized milk. The link to Crohns disease hasn't been proven. If it is proven the dairy industry is ruined and we will all be drinking UHT milk!

Thats my main reason for taking the bull by the horns and culling for it now. Never buying in stock again as thats where I got it from

_Brian · 28-02-2017 07:03AM

The man in red and black wrote: »

Unfortunately not consistently. It is possible to culture MAP from pasteurized milk. The link to Crohns disease hasn't been proven. If it is proven the dairy industry is ruined and we will all be drinking UHT milk!

And where does the uht milk come from ??
Is it not just further processed.

whelan2 · 28-02-2017 08:25AM

Off to my godchilds confirmation today. Chance for a snooze in the church

CloughCasey1 · 28-02-2017 08:28AM

whelan2 wrote: »

Off to my godchilds confirmation today. Chance for a snooze in the church

Dont forget your Homer Simpson glasses☺

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