Dairy chit chat II

mahoney_j · 27-02-2017 10:46AM

For last 2 years I've started ai on heifers 01/05 observed 3 times daily for seven days and then give whatever I didn't pick up a shot of pg on day 8 .this will get 95% plus bulled in 10/11 days .this year I'm strongly thinking of going the fixed time ai route with them .all heifers will be out on an out farm 2 miles from home

yewtree · 27-02-2017 11:18AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

For last 2 years I've started ai on heifers 01/05 observed 3 times daily for seven days and then give whatever I didn't pick up a shot of pg on day 8 .this will get 95% plus bulled in 10/11 days .this year I'm strongly thinking of going the fixed time ai route with them .all heifers will be out on an out farm 2 miles from home

I use the same program here, bring them home from the out farm and leave in paddock beside the yard. Worked really well this year all heifers calved bar 3.
Have used fixed time ai before and didn't get great results, probably doing a better job with heifers now so it could be down to my management

visatorro · 27-02-2017 12:44PM

Anyone using dairy Shornhorn?

kowtow · 27-02-2017 12:59PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

I think everyone's heifers are different with catching heats.
We use kamars and crayons here and find they work well. Although I'd nearly tell by the way s heifer looked at me. If she was bulling or not

Tempted to sync all the heifers this year for the day AI starts. Know a man doing it and getting over 80% incalf to first serve

We used kaymars on everything last year, mainly because I wanted something binary which didn't leave me room to wonder whether or not it had been triggered. Not sure that they actually did that, but they made me feel better about it and I don't think we missed a heat (although we did have a good few repeats in the end).

Only problem with them is that unless you use a couple of Tec Screws you can't be 100% sure of keeping them on, and the glue is furious expensive and gets everywhere. I think we switched over to carpet glue in the end.

Looking at options for this year I was in Gallagher the other day and they mentioned they have some funky new heat detection on trial at Moore Park? Don't know if it will be in the shops this year or not.

Panch18 · 27-02-2017 01:09PM

Angus bull on all heifers here, they are on a block of rented land with crap facilities so don't bother with AI.

Have enough watching the cows to be honest

stretch film · 27-02-2017 01:14PM

kowtow wrote: »

We used kaymars on everything last year, mainly because I wanted something binary which didn't leave me room to wonder whether or not it had been triggered. Not sure that they actually did that, but they made me feel better about it and I don't think we missed a heat (although we did have a good few repeats in the end).

Only problem with them is that unless you use a couple of Tec Screws you can't be 100% sure of keeping them on, and the glue is furious expensive and gets everywhere. I think we switched over to carpet glue in the end.

Looking at options for this year I was in Gallagher the other day and they mentioned they have some funky new heat detection on trial at Moore Park? Don't know if it will be in the shops this year or not.

Teaser bull might be a good option. €150 for procedure incl lab analysis of vas

Mooooo · 27-02-2017 01:19PM

Have two lads to vasectomise here, hopefully will help with heifers.

stretch film · 27-02-2017 01:21PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Agree on scratch cards but they're the best of a middeling lot for heifers. Inside the little paint worked a treat however it doesn't work outside on heifers IMO

Edit: will house no matter what method we use, really great way to observe them

That's the priority no doubt.

ted_182 · 27-02-2017 02:03PM

Is there some trick about giving coffee to a cow with an lda?

Morris Moss · 27-02-2017 02:24PM

Panch18 wrote: »

Angus bull on all heifers here, they are on a block of rented land with crap facilities so don't bother with AI.

Have enough watching the cows to be honest

Did that last year here and it's the best decision we made, heifers can calve them no problem and the calves are up and flying around the place in minutes.

GrasstoMilk · 27-02-2017 02:36PM

kowtow wrote: »

We used kaymars on everything last year, mainly because I wanted something binary which didn't leave me room to wonder whether or not it had been triggered. Not sure that they actually did that, but they made me feel better about it and I don't think we missed a heat (although we did have a good few repeats in the end).

Only problem with them is that unless you use a couple of Tec Screws you can't be 100% sure of keeping them on, and the glue is furious expensive and gets everywhere. I think we switched over to carpet glue in the end.

Looking at options for this year I was in Gallagher the other day and they mentioned they have some funky new heat detection on trial at Moore Park? Don't know if it will be in the shops this year or not.

That's why we use the crayon on the tail head. If the kamar is burst but crayon is still there they definitly aren't bulling.

We use 2 coats of carpet glue to put on the kamar

mahoney_j · 27-02-2017 02:44PM

Morris Moss wrote: »

Did that last year here and it's the best decision we made, heifers can calve them no problem and the calves are up and flying around the place in minutes.

May be a great job but heifers are for most part the best and highest poteintal stock in herd ,shame to not at least give 12/14 days at ai andcsync them

Buford T. Justice XIX · 27-02-2017 02:48PM

visatorro wrote: »

Anyone using dairy Shornhorn?

I have a very BB looking calf off a girl with SH breeding back a few generations. I will use a few this year to try to bring back a bit of blue in the herd, my last blue went last year. Some good breeding there.

Mooooo wrote: »

Have two lads to vasectomise here, hopefully will help with heifers.

They are brilliant with chinballs on as well. One of my two broke out last week across a feed barrier and managed to mangle his leg. He's on antibiotics but they don't look to be working.

ted_182 wrote: »

Is there some trick about giving coffee to a cow with an lda?

That and stick her in a car trailer and give her a trip on the bumpiest, windiest road you can find. One came right after my vet recommended that last year. 10 mile trip twice, I definitely didn't have an LDA by the time I got home.

Morris Moss · 27-02-2017 03:05PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

May be a great job but heifers are for most part the best and highest poteintal stock in herd ,shame to not at least give 12/14 days at ai andcsync them

I won't lose sleep over it anyway, an easy calving is great for man and beast and if that means an aa bull on heifers then so be it and also if the cows can give me 20 - 25 replacements I'm happy.

Timmaay · 27-02-2017 03:24PM

Buying 3 or 4 easy calving stock beef bulls and job done regards breeding, and continue buying in replacement incalf heifers from the 3 or 4 very reliable farmers I've dealt with over the last few yrs is a very tempting road to go this year.

whelan2 · 27-02-2017 03:50PM

Morris Moss wrote: »

I won't lose sleep over it anyway, an easy calving is great for man and beast and if that means an aa bull on heifers then so be it and also if the cows can give me 20 - 25 replacements I'm happy.

Just be careful not all angus bulls are eady calving

ted_182 · 27-02-2017 04:24PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

That and stick her in a car trailer and give her a trip on the bumpiest, windiest road you can find. One came right after my vet recommended that last year. 10 mile trip twice, I definitely didn't have an LDA by the time I got home.

Thanks B , yeah vet was here on sat and we rolled her, he was happy it was back the way it should be but he said it could revert back, what do you actually do with the coffee??

Buford T. Justice XIX · 27-02-2017 04:26PM

ted_182 wrote: »

Thanks B , yeah vet was here on sat and we rolled her, he was happy it was back the way it should be but he said it could revert back, what do you actually do with the coffee??

We dosed her with it, added it to a couple of hundred mls of water and dosed her with a dosing gun.

ted_182 · 27-02-2017 04:38PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

We dosed her with it, added it to a couple of hundred mls of water and dosed her with a dosing gun.

Sorry for all the Qs now but how much coffee would add to the couple hundred mls of water?

mahoney_j · 27-02-2017 05:06PM

ted_182 wrote: »

Sorry for all the Qs now but how much coffee would add to the couple hundred mls of water?

A full jar

Mooooo · 27-02-2017 05:16PM

ted_182 wrote: »

Thanks B , yeah vet was here on sat and we rolled her, he was happy it was back the way it should be but he said it could revert back, what do you actually do with the coffee??

Would vet not just operate and stitch it down?

C0N0R · 27-02-2017 05:44PM

Mooooo wrote: »

ted_182 wrote: »

Thanks B , yeah vet was here on sat and we rolled her, he was happy it was back the way it should be but he said it could revert back, what do you actually do with the coffee??

Would vet not just operate and stitch it down?

Re operating and stitching, has anyone ever come across a punch and toggle system? We use it here and it seems to be a great job, get the cow on her back, three mins later she is up again.

http://www.ldatogglesuture.com/StepByStep.html

ted_182 · 27-02-2017 06:18PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

A full jar

A full jar it is but if she becomes a caffine addict il blame you ðŸ˜

Signpost · 27-02-2017 06:19PM

Could you use decaf and reduce the risk

ted_182 · 27-02-2017 06:20PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Would vet not just operate and stitch it down?

He was in a rush and in fairness that wasnt the reason he was out he was booked with a few days and i just asked him to look at this girl also as he was there ya know the way it is

ellewood · 27-02-2017 11:42PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Day before, small dab of tail paint very light. Only reason for housing is purely for observation as they graze 30km from home. Never did fixed time.

Thanks - food for taught there alright would never have taught of putting them inside in may but makes sense alright
The change in diet dosent affect them??

Keepgrowing · 28-02-2017 12:11AM

ellewood wrote: »

Thanks - food for taught there alright would never have taught of putting them inside in may but makes sense alright
The change in diet dosent affect them??

Not in the slightest. Ours are housed on straw so the lap of luxury and fed like phuck

charolais0153 · 28-02-2017 01:22AM

How would you find out your nutrient allowances for the year(n and p)? Also would you eat heavy covers first to stop them getting too heavy or lighter covers to get them growing again quicker? Thanks

ellewood · 28-02-2017 07:08AM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Not in the slightest. Ours are housed on straw so the lap of luxury and fed like phuck

Silage and how many kgs of meal??

ellewood · 28-02-2017 07:11AM

charolais0153 wrote: »

How would you find out your nutrient allowances for the year(n and p)? Also would you eat heavy covers first to stop them getting too heavy or lighter covers to get them growing again quicker? Thanks

Dept should send them to u
They text a few times during year as well or it would be on agfood
I'd start with lighter covers to get them back grazing and to get more grazed quicker

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