Dairy chit chat II

whelan2 · 26-02-2017 12:04PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Getting a lot of calves sucking other calves navels this year. Never used to be an issue before. One calf particularly bad at it. Had her separated for 2 week on her own and after chancing her again a few days ago and she's still at it.
Gets a smack on the nose when ever we see them at it but it's not deterring them.
Anything ye could do with her?

Anti sucking device or put stockholm tar on the other calves navels

GrasstoMilk · 26-02-2017 12:40PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Anti sucking device or put stockholm tar on the other calves navels

Would the anti sucking device work on calves?
Heard of calves getting navel infections from Stockholm tar

blackdog1 · 26-02-2017 01:07PM

GrasstoMilk wrote:

Would the anti sucking device work on calves? Heard of calves getting navel infections from Stockholm tar

Fayne Valley sell an excellent nose ring for calves and cows comes in 2 sizes, very well made comes from France.

blackdog1 · 26-02-2017 01:10PM

blackdog1 wrote:

Fayne Valley sell an excellent nose ring for calves and cows comes in 2 sizes, very well made comes from France.

It's under milk sucking protector

visatorro · 26-02-2017 01:30PM

Maize, soya (bean) meal dehulled, maize gluten, soya (bean) hulls, palm kernel expeller, wheat feed, ddgs, distillers, Cane molasses, rape seed meal..

Works out 20% prot. 250e blown in.

Any thoughts?

Also the actual nut itself is smaller than the order nut we were using , older generation reckons it goes through the feeder quicker???

jaymla627 · 26-02-2017 01:52PM

visatorro wrote: »

Maize, soya (bean) meal dehulled, maize gluten, soya (bean) hulls, palm kernel expeller, wheat feed, ddgs, distillers, Cane molasses, rape seed meal..

Works out 20% prot. 250e blown in.

Any thoughts?

Also the actual nut itself is smaller than the order nut we were using , older generation reckons it goes through the feeder quicker???

Paying 275 for a 18% nut here but has a high spec mineral/megalac included and no fillers just maize/high pro soya bean meal/sugar beet pulp and wheat, with p.k ddgs and maize gluten in the above your ole chap could be spot on to it going through the feeder quicker

Keepgrowing · 26-02-2017 01:56PM

Signpost wrote: »

What % did you est on day 7 & 9? Or another way of asking the same, how many of the 30% not to keep to AI were not on a natural cycle?

25% got est and 50% held if memory serves.

Edit: 10% of the ones est didn't cycle, either pre pubescent or missed

visatorro · 26-02-2017 02:16PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Paying 275 for a 18% nut here but has a high spec mineral/megalac included and no fillers just maize/high pro soya bean meal/sugar beet pulp and wheat, with p.k ddgs and maize gluten in the above your ole chap could be spot on to it going through the feeder quicker

What's DDGS?

freedominacup · 26-02-2017 02:33PM

visatorro wrote: »

Any thoughts?

Pure ****e.

yosemitesam1 · 26-02-2017 02:46PM

visatorro wrote: »

What's DDGS?

Dried distillers grains, what's left over when they produce ethanol off maize

Morris Moss · 26-02-2017 03:25PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Getting a lot of calves sucking other calves navels this year. Never used to be an issue before. One calf particularly bad at it. Had her separated for 2 week on her own and after chancing her again a few days ago and she's still at it.
Gets a smack on the nose when ever we see them at it but it's not deterring them.
Anything ye could do with her?

Crib halt is a good job, it's for horses but if you put it on the other calves navel it should stop them, it's like vaseline and it's very bitter.

visatorro · 26-02-2017 03:47PM

freedominacup wrote: »

Pure ****e.

That answers that so!!

stretch film · 26-02-2017 04:27PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

I can't answer for full AI but I can give you our experience

All maidens housed for mating on straw bed. Fed straw, concentrate and a little silage. All on target weight with good bcs.

We AI for 7 days all natural heats
Est remainder on day 7-9
AI all heats

Return heifers to grass one day after AI to run with He bull.

Result last year was 70% conception to AI

How long before MSD do you house .
I'm thinking about the abrupt change in diet.
I presume big numbers are proving unmanageable outside .

Have you tried fixed time Ai.

satstheway · 26-02-2017 06:18PM

Are there any apps to keep medicine records.
I looking for simple click a calendar date put in what product used and it will do the withdrawal and printout options?

visatorro · 26-02-2017 06:28PM

satstheway wrote: »

Are there any apps to keep medicine records.
I looking for simple click a calendar date put in what product used and it will do the withdrawal and printout options?

Use herdwatch find it handy, there's a 30free trial. Don't actually know about printing

Brown Podzol · 26-02-2017 06:31PM

stretch film wrote: »

How long before MSD do you house .
I'm thinking about the abrupt change in diet.
I presume big numbers are proving unmanageable outside .

Have you tried fixed time Ai.

Do the same here, house on slats,feed silage and 2kg meal,AI for 9/10 days, eus the remainder then and return to field and bull the day after AI. Usually all AI'd after 12/14 days.70/80% hold to AI. An added advantage here is that I can observe the shed with the calving camera and at full zoom I can read the freeze brands.

freedominacup · 26-02-2017 06:44PM

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Do the same here, house on slats,feed silage and 2kg meal,AI for 9/10 days, eus the remainder then and return to field and bull the day after AI. Usually all AI'd after 12/14 days.70/80% hold to AI. An added advantage here is that I can observe the shed with the calving camera and at full zoom I can read the freeze brands.

There's a group of paddocks behind my house and within 100m of the yard. That's where maidens go for five weeks then bull after that. He got very little work last year with the heifers.

satstheway · 26-02-2017 06:51PM

visatorro wrote: »

Use herdwatch find it handy, there's a 30free trial. Don't actually know about printing

Does herdwatch do the withdrawal itself or do you have to enter it?
Can you do a spray record sheet on it?
And how much?

visatorro · 26-02-2017 07:46PM

satstheway wrote: »

Does herdwatch do the withdrawal itself or do you have to enter it?
Can you do a spray record sheet on it?
And how much?

99 for the year. You buy the remedy and enter withdrawal length then use it and it has the dates saved.
There's a section there for sprays alright I haven't used it.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 26-02-2017 08:24PM

satstheway wrote: »

Does herdwatch do the withdrawal itself or do you have to enter it?
Can you do a spray record sheet on it?
And how much?

Just be careful if you are using an app, it must be approved by the Dept for use.

I use Kingswood and there are a large number of remedies already entered and you can pick the one that corresponds to your drug. There is also an option to enter a drug they might not have on their database as yet and you have to manually enter the name, type of medicine, how it's used, milk and meat withdrawls, expiry date, batch number and VPA number. Once you enter the quantity you have bought, it automatically reduces the quantity in stock and gives the milk and meat withdrawl for that animal.

Also, if an animal calves within a withdrawl period, it will flash up a warning that milk/meat is to be withheld from that animal for so many days yet.

whelan2 · 26-02-2017 08:46PM

The bord bia inspector also pointed out to me that withdrawal times for some drugs change, mastermectin was the one he pointed out to me. I had put it on the system years agoand the withdrawal has reduced from what I had on my package.

satstheway · 26-02-2017 09:44PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Just be careful if you are using an app, it must be approved by the Dept for use.

I use Kingswood and there are a large number of remedies already entered and you can pick the one that corresponds to your drug. There is also an option to enter a drug they might not have on their database as yet and you have to manually enter the name, type of medicine, how it's used, milk and meat withdrawls, expiry date, batch number and VPA number. Once you enter the quantity you have bought, it automatically reduces the quantity in stock and gives the milk and meat withdrawl for that animal.

Also, if an animal calves within a withdrawl period, it will flash up a warning that milk/meat is to be withheld from that animal for so many days yet.

Does it alert for expiry date on bottles?
And how much/ year.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 26-02-2017 09:51PM

satstheway wrote: »

Does it alert for expiry date on bottles?
And how much/ year.

Yeah, all expiry dates flagged but I assume that would be on all programmes tbh.

As far as I'm aware, there are three approved suppliers of programmes, Kingswood, Agrinet and Herdwatch.

http://www.kingswoodcomputing.com/
http://www.agrinet.ie/
https://www.herdwatch.ie/

Keepgrowing · 26-02-2017 11:18PM

stretch film wrote: »

How long before MSD do you house .
I'm thinking about the abrupt change in diet.
I presume big numbers are proving unmanageable outside .

Have you tried fixed time Ai.

Day before, small dab of tail paint very light. Only reason for housing is purely for observation as they graze 30km from home. Never did fixed time.

kowtow · 26-02-2017 11:29PM

Well that was a day that started badly and ended better...

Carnage first thing this morning with a good cow who went down right in front of the scraper.. mangling a couple of track sections before the ram box broke free and we were able to hit the stop button.

Took 4 bottles of calcium and 8 hours to get her on her feet, but she was able to walk up into the parlour for a bit of a milking.

20 minutes later we walked her back across to the calving pen for a night on straw to find her companion had produced a great little Raphael heifer with barely a cough.

Scrapers all fixed up now and one more left to calve in this bunch... mind you she is never an easy calver so will be good if we can get her delivered safely.

stretch film · 26-02-2017 11:46PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Day before, small dab of tail paint very light. Only reason for housing is purely for observation as they graze 30km from home. Never did fixed time.

Scratch cards work best with heifers imo.

Just wondering would fixed time save the hassle of housing cos I would have presumed they were unsettled with the change.
You can be boards one man trial this May.

A van Barn in his previous incarnation was very keen on coiling for synchronizing heifers even suggesting putting the coils back in post Ai which would aid conception (minus the shot of estrumate obviously) and synch repeats

blackdog1 · 27-02-2017 12:43AM

Quick question, does anyone put bicarbonate soda ( bread soda) in their dry cow diet? , started doing this last month and finding it good in transitioning dry cows onto milker diet, once cows get acidosis it takes a good while to get them back on form.

Keepgrowing · 27-02-2017 08:28AM

stretch film wrote: »

Scratch cards work best with heifers imo.

Just wondering would fixed time save the hassle of housing cos I would have presumed they were unsettled with the change.
You can be boards one man trial this May.

A van Barn in his previous incarnation was very keen on coiling for synchronizing heifers even suggesting putting the coils back in post Ai which would aid conception (minus the shot of estrumate obviously) and synch repeats

Agree on scratch cards but they're the best of a middeling lot for heifers. Inside the little paint worked a treat however it doesn't work outside on heifers IMO

Edit: will house no matter what method we use, really great way to observe them

GrasstoMilk · 27-02-2017 08:39AM

I think everyone's heifers are different with catching heats.
We use kamars and crayons here and find they work well. Although I'd nearly tell by the way s heifer looked at me. If she was bulling or not

Tempted to sync all the heifers this year for the day AI starts. Know a man doing it and getting over 80% incalf to first serve

Keepgrowing · 27-02-2017 08:51AM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

I think everyone's heifers are different with catching heats.
We use kamars and crayons here and find they work well. Although I'd nearly tell by the way s heifer looked at me. If she was bulling or not

Tempted to sync all the heifers this year for the day AI starts. Know a man doing it and getting over 80% incalf to first serve

Very easy herd and observe these in here

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