AMD Zen Discussion Thread

Sheepy01 ey? He even sounds like a sheep

sheepy01 wrote: »

Ryzen is being in development for 5 years, you are right. But it is for laptops and notebooks where it is coming, not other mobile platforms like phones or tablets (if that is what I understood).

As it should be.

Intel face planted trying to take the RISK market. Meanwhile they've been lazy in the CISC market as AMD havent been competing. Meanwhile Qualcomm/ARM are belting along full belt with some decent output from nVidia.

Would have been suicide for AMD to try and take on that market. Undercutting Intel was the right move.

sheepy01 wrote: »

They got that market just because their bid was lower and offered a cheaper solution than nVidia. In price nobody can compete with AMD.

Ryzen is being in development for 5 years, you are right. But it is for laptops and notebooks where it is coming, not other mobile platforms like phones or tablets (if that is what I understood).

AMD don't need the mobile market. If they can get back into the desktop, gaming, workstation, server and laptop markets which they should then they are going to skyrocket in value. They already have.

The console market is sewn up as well as AMD are the only company who can offer APU's with both a good CPU and GPU and now even graphics memory all possible on 1 chip.

BloodBath wrote: »

AMD don't need the mobile market. If they can get back into the desktop, gaming, workstation, server and laptop markets which they should then they are going to skyrocket in value. They already have.

The console market is sewn up as well as AMD are the only company who can offer APU's with both a good CPU and GPU and now even graphics memory all possible on 1 chip.

Nintendo Switch is using an all-Nvidia solution.

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Nintendo Switch is using an all-Nvidia solution.

A weak sauce mobile product. It's an ARM cpu as well is it not?

When AMD combo Ryzen and Vega 11 into an APU with a bit of HBM thrown in nothing will come close in the APU market.

I'd say Microsoft's Scorpio will be using that combo.

got this from overclockers





:eek::eek::eek: 4.4 as a push button feature, must be fairly reliable to get that overclock, think its from a gigabyte board

Venom wrote: »

Consoles have never use the latest GPU tech in the past and seeing Scorpio is due this year I'd be very surprised not only if they used such a monster APU but if it was even ready by then.

AMD are on track for launching this year. This is the roadmap for their APU's.



A 4/8 Zen with NG graphics which is Vega at 35-95w.

There's a laptop version as well at 3-30w.

If anything I'd say Microsofts delay in launching is waiting for this tech. They quoted 6.5 Teraflop FP32 compute performance as well. There's no way they are getting this without Vega.

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

got this from overclockers

:eek::eek::eek: 4.4 as a push button feature, must be fairly reliable to get that overclock, think its from a gigabyte board

I saw that post too.I thought it was fake straight away but I could be wrong

From a manual isn't it?

I use MSI game boost @ 4.4 on my i7 6700k + MSI gaming carbon mobo, works flawlessly tbh, can get 4.5 with a manual overclock but I have issues with speed throttling on manual so I just use boost.
If it works as well with an 8core/16thread I'll use it

Are many of you planning on getting the new AMD CPU's?
After the latest round of details, I will definitely be upgrading my 5820k to an 1800x but will be going with a cheaper motherboard this time around with an Asus X370 pro.
This should be a nice upgrade from my 5820k and X99 deluxe II other than losing some features from a lower end board.
I'm hoping the 6900k has to come down to a similar price to the 1800x to compete, if so I will pick one up also and use it for an unraid dual purpose system . Knowing Intel I doubt this will happen though.
Parts I hope to get:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-ryzen-7-eight-core-1800x-4.00ghz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-39v-am.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus-prime-x370-pro-amd-x370-socket-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-69f-as.html

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Just saw something on Facebook saying the Asus crosshair vi hero am4 mobo is compatible with am3 cooler mounts

Tom published this then pulled it a couple of hours later.
https://youtu.be/O2zyjSqPAFs

Actually if my C2750 is due to cap itself now I wonder if AMD will drop a ULV variant of the 1700...with a rake of SATA ports that'd be great.

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Assuming that the CPU's really do deliver on single thread, I'm also thinking 6/12 are the ones to watch.

Very curious about the 4/8 CPU's as well on the lower end which would represent the best value of all and will hopefully return us to the days of matching a cheap CPU with a high-end GPU without having to worry about bottlenecks.

Yeah 6/12 seems like the sweet spot, price wise too.

Can't wait for the R5 series either. Intel held back the market and the industry for waaay too long.

Because i5's were max 4c/4t companies were hesitant to multithread over 4 threads. This held multithreading back for so long, but I guess it was in their best interests because they had such good IPC in single threaded stuff.

Now things are becoming more multithreaded as developers come around to it and you have people who spent €275 on an i5(not to mind another €200 on DDR4 and mobo) 6 months ago struggling to run new games like BF1 because all 4 cores are maxed out.

4c/8t becoming the desktop standard for entry to mid level builds has been a long time coming and we'll have AMD to thank for making it viable for way more people.

Inviere wrote: »

Are we likely to see m-itx AM4 boards any time soon? I'm planning an m-itx build but am holding off on Intel to see how the Ryzen 6/12's fare out

Haven't seen any yet, they'll be chipsets A/B/X300

Scan offering overclocked bundles

Couple of interesting things from a recent RedGamingTech youtube video:

The B350 supports Crossfire but not SLI
My initial impression that B350 would not support either, as ppl who were running dual cards would be more likely to be looking at the X370, but it appears that B350 does support Crossfire - but not SLI.

4 slot RAM compatability issues
For those pre-ordering, there seems to be an issue with RAM clocked over 2400mhz when using all 4 slots. 2 slots only are no issue up to 3200mhz. Apparently there will be a BIOS fix for this in a month or two, as to date AMD's focus has been on CPU performance.

D.

EoinHef wrote: »

So Q2 for the R5 range is what im reading,so that could be may/june?

Its a bit strange the AMD lineup now,top end cpu's but only really mid tier gpu's. Guess this wont be sorted till Vega and the R5/3 Ryzen cpu's are all released

Most likely out of necessity. Their bottom line needs the boost of the R7 sales, probably facilitates them to ramp up production of R5's and Vega.

Nvidia is certainly getting a sales boost from Ryzen though, IMO it's why they scheduled 1080 Ti to release around the same time. Most prebuilt systems are pairing Ryzen and 1070/1080's so far.

EoinHef wrote: »

Id agree its not that bad,buts its not optimal either. Were talkin about a company thats struggling but still produces good tech that has a large gap in both there cpu and gpu line ups currently. Just think if they could have managed to be a bit more corordinated they could take better advantage of the hype these releases create.

They have like 8% of the R&D budget of Intel. Both Nvidia and Intel's earnings dwarf their own.

They typically make much less on GPU's anyways, so going after the high end CPU market where they have shown to be extremely competitive is the best business move.

It's not ideal but compromises have to be made after AMD essentially rebooted itself from going out of business. For a first stab at new CPU's, it's not bad either. Consumer market is so small anyways, the real money is in workstation and servers and this is where I imagine AMD are cleaning up.

Going forward the money they make will allow them to be more co-ordinated though.

Lots of people will upgrade modularly anyways, like I'm considering the r5 1600x/mobbo/ddr4 but I'll likely wait til Vega launches before upgrading my GPU as what I have now will do me and I usually try and wait til new product launches as Nvidia will be forced to drop prices in reply.

FYI, those four entries after the Cinebench scores are power consumption. Pretty sweet.

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