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Cyclists mega-thread (WARNING: Before posting you must read post #1)

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  • #812
    Corca Baiscinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 643 ✭✭✭Corca Baiscinn


    Dublin Cycling Campaign members have been distributing lights along with flyers for the upcoming lunchtime protest on Wednesday next re #allocate4cycling. They have been at junctions within the canal cordon though afaik no no help to OP who mentioned driving in South Dublin. Maybe everyone else is sorted though and there will be a light all round!


  • #813
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,453 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    that 'they should be mandatory' argument always makes me uneasy. mandatory at point of sale, or mandatory for cyclists to use?


  • #814
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,291 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    First Up wrote: »
    Not a lot; that's pretty good. As a motorist I'd comment that the flashing/intermittent lights are the easiest to see.

    They are banned in some me countries as studies have shown that flashing lights have a hypnotism affect on drunk and tired drivers and puts the cyclist at a greater risk of being hit


  • #815
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,453 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    just thinking out loud regarding lights, etc.; would it be massively unenforceable/unwieldy that the BTW scheme must include a provision that the price must include lights unless the buyer can prove they already have lights in their possession?


  • #816
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    that 'they should be mandatory' argument always makes me uneasy. mandatory at point of sale, or mandatory for cyclists to use?

    Mandatory at the point of manufacture. An CE stamp should mean they have a reflective strip. It would not affect the cost much, particularly if they all had to have the strip.

    The strip only can be seen from the side - but remember, cycle lights do not shine to the side much, only front and rear (if fitted). This is important at junctions.

    [Obviously CE regulations would need to be adjusted for this].


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  • #817
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    ted1 wrote:
    They are banned in some me countries as studies have shown that flashing lights have a hypnotism affect on drunk and tired drivers and puts the cyclist at a greater risk of being hit


    Fair enough. Just my personal observation.


  • #818
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭plodder


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    just thinking out loud regarding lights, etc.; would it be massively unenforceable/unwieldy that the BTW scheme must include a provision that the price must include lights unless the buyer can prove they already have lights in their possession?
    That's a good idea, although I'd say in most cases BTW purchases would include lights already as people tend to include the kitchen sink and pretty much anything bike related with it.


  • #819
    Roadhawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    If you blinked you would miss this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tm0pALuuls

    No lights but at least his grey track suit gives him some slight visibility: (also jumps a red)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlwSpqCrTQ8

    Another second and this guys was a gonner:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOaZEoR3XEk

    Come mate, at least give yourself a chance:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29k4HU2byJE

    In the fog at night, great comparison between the first cyclist and second:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CbqKVGBVIU

    RLJ and no lights:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18Ub5evyDCY
    and another
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0klbrTnA9dE
    and another(excuse the music)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbGVcyhhXFM

    This one is my favorite...its in Dublin City...no cyclists have lights...and the Gardai just drive on by. Typical
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPz18qv0T0E


  • #820
    MrMorooka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭MrMorooka


    This thread makes me a bit paranoid. I only cycle Dublin Bikes(don't have my own) and I throw on a reflective RSA vest. Is that enough?


  • #821
    Roadhawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    MrMorooka wrote: »
    This thread makes me a bit paranoid. I only cycle Dublin Bikes(don't have my own) and I throw on a reflective RSA vest. Is that enough?

    Dont be paranoid, Dublin bikes have lights so at least you'll be seen at night. They actually have a few good safety tips on their website...see link:

    http://www.dublinbikes.ie/Safety/Road-Safety-Guidelines/Road-Safety-Guidelines


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  • #822
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,050 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    MrMorooka wrote: »
    This thread makes me a bit paranoid. I only cycle Dublin Bikes(don't have my own) and I throw on a reflective RSA vest. Is that enough?

    It's good enough in my opinion, at least you make the effort.


  • #823
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    MrMorooka wrote:
    This thread makes me a bit paranoid. I only cycle Dublin Bikes(don't have my own) and I throw on a reflective RSA vest. Is that enough?


    Well, it's illegal to have no lights. But give it a go. If you are killed by a car you'll have your answer.


  • #824
    BeardySi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭BeardySi


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Well, it's illegal to have no lights. But give it a go. If you are killed by a car you'll have your answer.

    Never actually seen a Dublinbike then? The lights are built in and always on...


  • #825
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Treadhead wrote: »
    Never actually seen a Dublinbike then? The lights are built in and always on...

    Thank God. I'll sleep well tonight.


  • #826
    BeardySi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭BeardySi


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Thank God. I'll sleep well tonight.

    Glad to be of help.


  • #827
    buffalo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,163 ✭✭✭buffalo


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    2: The constant on is the legal one (the law predates LED lights).

    Minor correction: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055772319


  • #828
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    buffalo wrote: »
    Minor correction: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055772319

    Thank you for the correction.

    I believe that came about as a result of the Gardai being given bikes and stopping other bikes for having flashing lights, and then agreeing with the cyclists that flashing lights were more visible.

    Anyway, I have both. I also have reflectors on the pedals.


  • #829
    Roadhawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    The bottom line is that more enforcement is needed. Until then its a free for all...


  • #830
    Roadhawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    Cycling at night without lights at night is like going into the desert without water...your chances of survival are dramatically decreased.

    Saw this today on a bumper sticker...just had to add it :D


  • #831
    RobertFoster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,387 ✭✭✭RobertFoster


    That's some spiel, did it cover the whole bumper? :D


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  • #832
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Roadhawk wrote: »
    Cycling at night without lights at night is like going into the desert with 5ml less water...your chances of survival are moderately decreased.

    Fixed a minor typo


  • #833
    Roadhawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    RobertFoster wrote: »
    That's some spiel, did it cover the whole bumper? :D

    No it was about a foot long with two lines of text.


  • #834
    Roadhawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Fixed a minor typo

    haha thats the spirit.

    Typical attitude.


  • #835
    zulutango
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭zulutango


    It seems that even if you have lights, then it's no protection from the scourge of motorists. I was nearly killed the other night even though I'd lights front and rear and also a headlamp. Thankfully the driver saw me at the last second and skidded to a halt in time.


  • #836
    Roadhawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    zulutango wrote: »
    It seems that even if you have lights, then it's no protection from the scourge of motorists. I was nearly killed the other night even though I'd lights front and rear and also a headlamp. Thankfully the driver saw me at the last second and skidded to a halt in time.

    Imagine you had no lights...looks like they work in keeping you safe.


  • #837
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Roadhawk wrote: »
    Imagine you had no lights...looks like they work in keeping you safe.

    You are not safe if you are nearly killed. You are safe if you are not in danger.


  • #838
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Roadhawk wrote: »
    haha thats the spirit.

    Typical attitude.

    You equated an action which depending on the circumstances would lead to certain death to an action which has a very low change of contributing to injury or death


  • #839
    Carawaystick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Yes there is. Dark night, rain, dark clothes, no lights. If I don't see them, it's not my fault, I don't have to make an excuse. They are not visible.

    If a cyclist wants to be seen, use a light front and back. It's not rocket science FFS.

    Cars have lights, to light up the road ahead of them. If a driver can't see what's ahead, they should not be driving that car.


  • #840
    lucernarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    Carawaystick wrote: »
    Cars have lights, to light up the road ahead of them. If a driver can't see what's ahead, they should not be driving that car.
    I'd regularly agree with you but that is a silly point if it's about the topic of this thread. The exact same thing could be (and legally is) said about anyone cycling.

    Bikes should have lights full stop, but because of the daylight hours loophole, bike sellers can wash their hands of it with pointless reflectors and add overpriced lights if someone is concerned enough to add them to their kids' bikes.


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  • #841
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Wow, almost 200 posts on "Cyclists with no lights"...

    Should have been 2 or 3 posts!

    Get's dark out: Switch on bicycle lights...Case closed!

    Otherwise this is just another Motorist Vs. Cyclist thread!


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