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New drink driving laws - 3 mth ban no more points

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  • #152
    Parchment
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    Cameo wrote: »
    A few pulls off a joint is more potent than a glass of beer or stout.


    I would think its totally dependant on the person.


  • #153
    Tigger
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    Parchment wrote: »
    I would think its totally dependant on the person.

    or the joint


  • #154
    Cameo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭Cameo


    Parchment wrote: »
    I would think its totally dependant on the person.
    Same with alcoholic drinks though - there are people for whom a glass of beer wouldn't even start to make a dent.


  • #155
    Jamsiek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭Jamsiek


    thesultan wrote: »
    I agree with him. There is no harm in having two points and driving homebin rural areas.single men crying out for company in rural Ireland

    ...and yet most road fatalities happen in rural areas.
    You don't have to drink alcohol to have "company".


  • #156
    One_Of_Shanks
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    Parchment wrote: »
    Yes my judgement is coloured by a close friend being killed by a drunk driver but i dont believe its made me irrational in my views on the subject.

    Not irrational but massively influenced. (no pun intended before anyone gets smart)

    I have a close relative who was raped and so when I read threads about the subject it's difficult to detach yourself from something that feels close to home and post objectively about it.

    Not only that but you find yourself reading threads on forums about it more and commenting more and more and in the end you can either make it into something useful (like maybe joining a group or a cause or whatever it is) or you can go the other way and maybe find yourself arguing with people on the internet when really it's not going to solve anything.

    I noticed the passion in your posts and I'm really sorry for the person you lost.
    But whether we like it or not the world keeps turning and most of the sensible posts in this thread have criticised people driving drunk while asking about what happens to the person who has a few glasses the night before.

    They're perfectly valid worries and in no way belittling your loss.


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  • #157
    12gauge dave
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    I was pulled over and arrested for drink driving last year i wasnt much over somehow ill admit i had about 8 cans of bulmers i got 6months and 400euro fine i didnt have to go court it was a fixed penalty. It was something ive only done a couple of times i got caught it wasnt a great experience to be honest and made getting to work a nightmare for those 6months as i live in rural ireland.
    I havent drank drive since but nearly have been tempted so many times as it is still so akward in real rural ireland to get a taxi you could be waiting for 3hours on a saturday night.


  • #158
    One_Of_Shanks
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    12gauge dave wrote: »
    I was pulled over and arrested for drink driving last year i wasnt much over somehow ill admit i had about 8 cans of bulmers i got 6months and 400euro fine i didnt have to go court it was a fixed penalty. It was something ive only done a couple of times i got caught it wasnt a great experience to be honest and made getting to work a nightmare for those 6months as i live in rural ireland.
    I havent drank drive since but nearly have been tempted so many times as it is still so akward in real rural ireland to get a taxi you could be waiting for 3hours on a saturday night.

    8 cans. What time did you stop drinking at? Or how many hours after you stopped drinking were you still over limit at when doing the urine test?

    Just curious coz lots of people were asking in this thread about how long etc.

    Were ya stopped the next morning?


  • #159
    12gauge dave
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    One_Of_Shanks wrote: »
    8 cans. What time did you stop drinking at? Or how many hours after you stopped drinking were you still over limit at when doing the urine test?

    Just curious coz lots of people were asking in this thread about how long etc.

    Were ya stopped the next morning?

    I was stopped about 4am give and take. The breathlyser in local garda station was broken and doctor must of taken about half hour or so for urine test so since my last drink and urine test im guessing about 2-2.5hours. I was suprised for being not too far over as to not worthy a court case. Im a male in twenties and weight is 16stone.


  • #160
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    Graces7 wrote: »
    ..why do single men feel they have to drink to get company?

    Some single people living rurally like to meet people in the evenings. The pub is one of very few places people can socialise at night. Not your way, I know, but it's not a crime to go to the pub, have a drink, and socialise. I'm not condoning drunk driving but I accept that an elderly single man can enjoy the company of other men, of all ages, over a couple of pints.


  • #161
    One_Of_Shanks
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    12gauge dave wrote: »
    I was stopped about 4am give and take. The breathlyser in local garda station was broken and doctor must of taken about half hour or so for urine test so since my last drink and urine test im guessing about 2-2.5hours. I was suprised for being not too far over as to not worthy a court case. Im a male in twenties and weight is 16stone.

    Fair balls for replying man, that's mad that you were not too far over the limit after that amount at 4am.
    Suppose yer bit of extra poundage (no offence) probably helped.
    Cudda been worse!!

    Good on ya for posting about it after being done.
    And no thats not anyone glorifying anything before anyone gets their knickers in a twist.
    Was only asking about time/drinks.

    Also fair dues for giving up the sauce.


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  • #162
    12gauge dave
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭12gauge dave


    One_Of_Shanks wrote: »
    Fair balls for replying man, that's mad that you were not too far over the limit after that amount at 4am.
    Suppose yer bit of extra poundage (no offence) probably helped.
    Cudda been worse!!

    Good on ya for posting about it after being done.
    And no thats not anyone glorifying anything before anyone gets their knickers in a twist.
    Was only asking about time/drinks.

    Also fair dues for giving up the sauce.

    No offence dont worry:)ha

    Ya i dont condone what ive done in any shape way of form. When uve seen your father doing it growing up when you see your friends doing it i guess i thought it was okay in some sense my insurance is a nightmare now so im being punished dont worry.
    Real rural villages with rural pubs in the middle of nowhere with no taxi services or buses provide much bigger challenges as far as drink driving is concerned to those in the likes of dublin but we are all equal citizens of the same law and none of us are above it so no no one should drink and drive for what ever reasons.


  • #163
    One_Of_Shanks
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    12gauge dave wrote: »
    No offence dont worry:)ha

    Ya i dont condone what ive done in any shape way of form. When uve seen your father doing it growing up when you see your friends doing it i guess i thought it was okay in some sense my insurance is a nightmare now so im being punished dont worry.
    Real rural villages with rural pubs in the middle of nowhere with no taxi services or buses provide much bigger challenges as far as drink driving is concerned to those in the likes of dublin but we are all equal citizens of the same law and none of us are above it so no no one should drink and drive for what ever reasons.

    Yeah I know. My family are from rural background and manys the time that my Dad drove us to and from the local having food and he'd have a few pints and drive back but its an auld bog road and yer more likely to meet a stray cow than another vehicle.
    He won't get drunk but he won't stop having the 3 pints and driving either.
    So if he's judged by some on here then he's a scum-bag.


  • #164
    Zebra3
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    Divelment wrote: »
    Drive past any suburban pub in Dublin any night of the week and guess what, the car park is packed full of cars!

    Quite simply, not true.


  • #165
    blackbox
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    They don't need to change the law. They need to enforce the laws they have. I've been driving for 40 years and been breathalyzed 3 times (always passed btw).

    It's the lunatics who have had a bottle of vodka or 10 pints they need to be going after - and people who are already banned from driving. These are completely different to someone who is under 80mg.

    The penalty needs to be proportionate to the behavior.


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  • #166
    ABC101
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    blackbox wrote: »
    They don't need to change the law. They need to enforce the laws they have. I've been driving for 40 years and been breathalyzed 3 times (always passed btw).

    It's the lunatics who have had a bottle of vodka or 10 pints they need to be going after - and people who are already banned from driving. These are completely different to someone who is under 80mg.

    The penalty needs to be proportionate to the behavior.


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    And Red Bull, don't forget Red Bull!

    Supermarkets selling below cost alcohol, morons mixing it with red bull, driving and then ....Bam...big accident!


  • #167
    Mrs Woman
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    Parchment wrote: »
    I see many fair points in this post but i still abhor drink driving in any shape or form.

    I do see where some of you are coming from but the bottom line for me personally is not understanding why people can just opt not to drink when driving. Its not that hard. Would you just take a few pulls off a joint if you were going to drive & hope it was ok?

    I just cant reconcile it. Yes my judgement is coloured by a close friend being killed by a drunk driver but i dont believe its made me irrational in my views on the subject.

    My heart goes out to you about your friend and I don't think its made you irrational in your views. Noone should drink and drive. Youre right about that but unfortunately they do and its not that we've suddenly become a nation of 'potential murderers'. My concern is for the one time offender (who may be ill, alcoholism, tragedy etc ) or the person who has one glass of wine and is now on this proposed register. Its pretty dangerous for the government and the RSA to whip up a hysterical frenzy towards a group of people and then release their names. I see yours and others vicious attidude and I fear for any of you being furnished with peoples names and addresses.

    I just can't get my head around this register and its not even so much the offender themselves but their loved ones. My father was caught many years ago (one time offence, he was very depressed when it happened) and we were all devastated but we didn't have to cope with him being on a register. I think it would have ended us.

    There were so many things leading up to what happened anyway and we were just children, but at least no one knew. We as children certainly did nothing to deserve any of it and you might say that if theres a register now that the person on it should have thought of that but as we all know, it doesn't really work like that. Its not simply about 'selfish people'. My dad was not a potential murderer and he did not deserve endless punishments. He's a good man who went through a bad time and he made mistakes. He did not deserve to be burned at a stake or so to speak.


  • #168
    ABC101
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    Graces7 wrote: »
    thesultan wrote: »
    I agree with him. There is no harm in having two points and driving homebin rural areas.single men crying out for company in rural Ireland

    Ah Healy Rae enters the scene..why do single men feel they have to drink to get company?

    Grace, drinking is not solely the preserve of men. Many many women drink as well. Ever tried talking to a barman / bouncer about women and drink and they will tell you they can be just as bad as men, sometimes worse. I know a few women who would drink many a man under the table.

    Life has become much more stressful, a lot of jobs are becoming high Pressure working environments, crap pay, zero hour contracts, temporary employment, seasonal payments, pressure of saving for retirement etc.

    People can take to alcohol / recreational drugs to unwind and help themselves relax, humans are human and humans are prone to vices.

    Sure the person who drinks two bottles of wine a night and is back in their car at 8 am is at high risk of an accident, but we should not allow a situation develop where people are getting their lives destroyed because they had one glass of wine with a meal and then drove about 40 minutes later.

    There has to be a sense of proportion here.


  • #169
    Graces7
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    ABC101 wrote: »
    Grace, drinking is not solely the preserve of men. Many many women drink as well. Ever tried talking to a barman / bouncer about women and drink and they will tell you they can be just as bad as men, sometimes worse. I know a few women who would drink many a man under the table.

    Life has become much more stressful, a lot of jobs are becoming high Pressure working environments, crap pay, zero hour contracts, temporary employment, seasonal payments, pressure of saving for retirement etc.

    People can take to alcohol / recreational drugs to unwind and help themselves relax, humans are human and humans are prone to vices.

    Sure the person who drinks two bottles of wine a night and is back in their car at 8 am is at high risk of an accident, but we should not allow a situation develop where people are getting their lives destroyed because they had one glass of wine with a meal and then drove about 40 minutes later.

    There has to be a sense of proportion here.


    ? re women I mean.


    No; there has to be a strict rule that is respected. For the very reason you say.

    And that applies to prescription meds too
    Fine to drink or use illegal drugs, but not fine to drive when other lives are at risk.
    Drink at home by all means. But not when you are driving. Or driving early the next day.

    And maybe you need to be at a police ID when someone is facing their loved one mangled by a driver who swore he had not touched a drop.

    Deeply thankful for the new laws. A great step forward.

    Over and out from me on this. Takes a lot to make me weep . And not at the memories but at the "let us be reasonable " attitude.


  • #170
    Sue Pa Key Pa
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    More new laws without the manpower to enforce them. Why can't we just detect and convict on the existing laws we have now? That would go a long way to sorting the problem


  • #171
    323
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    One_Of_Shanks wrote: »
    Fair balls for replying man, that's mad that you were not too far over the limit after that amount at 4am.
    Suppose yer bit of extra poundage (no offence) probably helped.
    Cudda been worse!!

    Good on ya for posting about it after being done.
    And no thats not anyone glorifying anything before anyone gets their knickers in a twist.
    Was only asking about time/drinks.

    Also fair dues for giving up the sauce.

    Re time/number of drinks to clear

    Working Australia for a bit awhile back, another f***ed up PC nanny state nearly as bad as here. Compulsory checks going to work, zero tolerance .few mentioned online calculators on their Medical and HSE authorities websites.

    Quick search you'll find a couple of good ones, put in no of drinks/true, height, weight, age etc, tells when clear, there quite good.

    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



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  • #172
    323
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    One_Of_Shanks wrote: »
    Fair balls for replying man, that's mad that you were not too far over the limit after that amount at 4am.
    Suppose yer bit of extra poundage (no offence) probably helped.
    Cudda been worse!!

    Good on ya for posting about it after being done.
    And no thats not anyone glorifying anything before anyone gets their knickers in a twist.
    Was only asking about time/drinks.

    Also fair dues for giving up the sauce.

    Re time/number of drinks to clear

    Working Australia for a bit awhile back, another f***ed up PC nanny state nearly as bad as here. Compulsory checks going to work, zero tolerance .few mentioned online calculators on their Medical and HSE authorities websites.

    Quick search you'll find a couple of good ones, put in no of drinks/true, height, weight, age etc, tells when clear, there quite good.

    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



  • #173
    323
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    One_Of_Shanks wrote: »
    Fair balls for replying man, that's mad that you were not too far over the limit after that amount at 4am.
    Suppose yer bit of extra poundage (no offence) probably helped.
    Cudda been worse!!

    Good on ya for posting about it after being done.
    And no thats not anyone glorifying anything before anyone gets their knickers in a twist.
    Was only asking about time/drinks.

    Also fair dues for giving up the sauce.

    Re time/number of drinks to clear

    Working Australia for a bit awhile back, another f***ed up PC nanny state nearly as bad as here. Compulsory checks going to work, zero tolerance .few mentioned online calculators on their Medical and HSE authorities websites.

    Quick search you'll find a couple of good ones, put in no of drinks/true, height, weight, age etc, tells when clear, there quite good.

    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



  • #174
    Cameo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭Cameo


    Graces7 wrote: »
    ? re women I mean.


    No; there has to be a strict rule that is respected. For the very reason you say.

    And that applies to prescription meds too
    Fine to drink or use illegal drugs, but not fine to drive when other lives are at risk.
    Drink at home by all means. But not when you are driving. Or driving early the next day.

    And maybe you need to be at a police ID when someone is facing their loved one mangled by a driver who swore he had not touched a drop.

    Deeply thankful for the new laws. A great step forward.

    Over and out from me on this. Takes a lot to make me weep . And not at the memories but at the "let us be reasonable " attitude.
    You weep at someone saying a person having a glass of stout and driving is not the same as someone getting drunk and driving?


  • #175
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
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    Graces7 wrote: »
    ? re women I mean.


    No; there has to be a strict rule that is respected. For the very reason you say.

    And that applies to prescription meds too
    Fine to drink or use illegal drugs, but not fine to drive when other lives are at risk.
    Drink at home by all means. But not when you are driving. Or driving early the next day.

    And maybe you need to be at a police ID when someone is facing their loved one mangled by a driver who swore he had not touched a drop.

    Deeply thankful for the new laws. A great step forward.

    Over and out from me on this. Takes a lot to make me weep . And not at the memories but at the "let us be reasonable " attitude.

    I ageee with this. But would add anyone driving without proper insurance or roadworthy car should face the EXACT same punishments by law. Driving uninsured and drink driving are as bad as each other,


  • #176
    1991 pmaC epacS
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    Sue Pa Key Pa wrote: »
    More new laws without the manpower to enforce them. Why can't we just detect and convict on the existing laws we have now? That would go a long way to sorting the problem

    Because they don't have the resources or manpower to enforce the existing legislation, yet still have to be seen as proactive.


  • #177
    ABC101
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    Graces7 wrote: »
    ABC101 wrote: »
    Grace, drinking is not solely the preserve of men.   Many many women drink as well.   Ever tried talking to a barman / bouncer about women and drink and they will tell you they can be just as bad as men, sometimes worse.   I know a few women who would drink many a man under the table.

    Life has become much more stressful, a lot of jobs are becoming high Pressure working environments, crap pay, zero hour contracts, temporary employment, seasonal payments, pressure of saving for retirement etc.

    People can take to alcohol / recreational drugs to unwind and help themselves relax, humans are human and humans are prone to vices.

    Sure the person who drinks two bottles of wine a night and is back in their car at 8 am is at high risk of an accident, but we should not allow a situation develop where people are getting their lives destroyed because they had one glass of wine with a meal and then drove about 40 minutes later.

    There has to be a sense of proportion here.


    ? re women I mean.  
     

    No; there has to be a strict rule that is respected.  For the very reason you say.

    And that applies to prescription meds too    
    Fine to drink or use illegal drugs, but not fine to drive when other lives are at risk.
    Drink at home by all means. But not when you are driving.  Or driving early the next day.

    And maybe you need to be at a police ID when someone is facing their loved one mangled by a driver who swore he had not touched a drop.

    Deeply thankful for the new laws. A great step forward.

    Over and out from me on this. Takes a lot to make me weep . And not at the memories but at the "let us be reasonable " attitude.

    Graces7,
    Nobody here has advocated driving and drinking at the same time.
    Nobody on this forum / thread has advocated chugging from a open bottle of wine in the car whilst driving down the N7 to Nass, or anywhere else for that matter.


  • #178
    Allinall
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    ABC101 wrote: »
    Graces7,
    Nobody here has advocated driving and drinking at the same time.
    Nobody on this forum / thread has advocated chugging from a open bottle of wine in the car whilst driving down the N7 to Nass, or anywhere else for that matter.

    Most disengenuous post of the thread.

    Well done.


  • #179
    SeanW
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    Sonics2k wrote: »
    I've had several friends die over the years as a result of drunk drivers. Each one of those absolute bastards said something like "Sure I've only had one or two drinks" and they effectively murdered my friends.

    IMO drink driving should get you in jail for 3 months.
    I call shenanigans.

    Most of the time that a drink-related accident makes the news, the driver was totally plastered. E.g. drank something like a litre of vodka, bottles of wine, or 10 cans of cider. Like this ass hat, no tax, no insurance, no NCT, speeding, twisted drunk and almost 500 previous convictions for various crimes.

    If there was evidence that people with BACs between .50 and .80 were causing loads of fatal accidents, we would have heard no end of it from the powers that be - if your 'friends' existed in the first place I suspect their killers had more than "just one or two" - likely way more.

    There are many legitimate reasons for having a low-moderate BAC. Some posh desserts have alcohol in them, a person might have a glass of wine with a meal, or meet a friend for one pint etc. Some people also have medical conditions that cause them to have a significant BAC even if they don't drink. Recent use of mouthwash could also affect the roadside BAC tests. It isn't unreasonable to allow a margin of error for any of the above.

    Then ramp up random breath testing so that the people over .80 - the people who actually are a danger - are checked and taken off the road.

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  • #180
    ABC101
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    Allinall wrote: »
    ABC101 wrote: »
    Graces7,
    Nobody here has advocated driving and drinking at the same time.
    Nobody on this forum / thread has advocated chugging from a open bottle of wine in the car whilst driving down the N7 to Nass, or anywhere else for that matter.

    Most disengenuous post of the thread.

    Well done.

    You mean there is a poster advocating driving and chugging beer at the same time?


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  • #181
    Allinall
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    ABC101 wrote: »
    You mean there is a poster advocating driving and chugging beer at the same time?

    No.

    I mean you were being unnessecarily pedantic with your post for no reason other than to put down another poster.


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