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Riots in the Parisian suburbs

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  • #92
    b_mac2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭b_mac2


    I wonder would the same posters here defending the riots, have done the same if it was French citizens rioting against immigration, after 86 French people lost their lives in Nice.

    Doubt it- It would be a "hate riot".


  • #93
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    Brian, you are completely misrepresenting the story. You have completed avoided the act of police brutality that triggered this situation.

    just like the fact that Michael Brown was gunned down my a police officer in Ferguson resulting in righteous out rage against the evil police state
    or freddie grey etc etc etc


    o wait

    in fact wait for the facts why dont ya


  • #94
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    b_mac2 wrote: »
    I wonder would the same posters here defending the riots, have done the same if it was French citizens rioting against immigration, after 86 French people lost their lives in Nice.

    Doubt it- It would be a "hate riot".

    Pretty sure the lad what drove through that crowd in nice received swift justice.....what was there to protest??




    Vs the police officer here getting away with straight up lying about what happened and being let away with it???


  • #95
    B_Wayne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    I mentioned the refugee issue only to point out that their is a state of emergency in the country which many people are unfamiliar with, all this talk of France being wonderful at the moment is pure nonsense. The posters on Boards.ie that ignore this at their peril are clueless. Just so you know i ain't a supporter of Le Pen or her anti migrant stance. When you deny that France is is facing security challenges then we have silly notions being advocated.
    Why are you ignoring the long history of racism and brutality by the French police? This is not a new phenomena. Why are you not discussing the "perils" of the police engaging in brutality and criminal acts? You've entirely diverted from institutional excuses for your own agenda.


  • #96
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    Why are you ignoring the long history of racism and brutality by the French police? This is not a new phenomena. Why are you not discussing the "perils" of the police engaging in brutality and criminal acts? You've entirely diverted from institutional excuses for your own agenda.

    I am talking about the rioting in the suburbs. The police have to investigate the incident though with all the violence going on will the protesters even believe them. Their not helping their case by destroying the cities they are living in. A number of other cities are also erupting which is why i pointed out that it could be organised. The violence must come to an end even if that requires using the army to come off counter-terrorism duties to help the police.


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  • #97
    R P McMurphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    I am talking about the rioting in the suburbs. The police have to investigate the incident though with all the violence going on will the protesters even believe them. Their not helping their case by destroying the cities they are living in. A number of other cities are also erupting which is why i pointed out that it could be organised. The violence must come to an end even if that requires using the army to come off counter-terrorism duties to help the police.

    Is that because deploying an army in civilian areas has such a great track record?

    Would take only one incident for things to deteriorate rapidly


  • #98
    Gyalist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Gyalist


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    Rodney King is 100% applicable since racism in French police predates ISIS and the refugee crisis. Tonnes on the topic that goes back decades. It's a fact that this man was raped with a baton, that is not a matter that there is any question about. So what other slant can be put on that?

    This incident is more reminiscent of the case of Abner Louima in New York in the late 90s.
    Abner Louima (born 1966 in Thomassin, Haiti) is a Haitian who was assaulted, brutalized, and forcibly sodomized with a broken-off broom handle by officers of the New York City Police Department after he was arrested outside a Brooklyn nightclub in 1997.

    LINK


  • #99
    jack o shea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 607 ✭✭✭jack o shea


    Europe could do with Hitler in his pomp now, he wouldn't tolerate these blacks or Muslims...never would have let them in ...


  • #100
    dd972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭dd972


    jack o shea wrote: »
    Europe could do with Hitler in his pomp now, he wouldn't tolerate these blacks or Muslims...never would have let them in ...

    You mean that bloke the Brits defeated single-handedly or so they keep telling everybody for the last 70 years.


  • #101
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,575 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    jack o shea wrote: »
    Europe could do with Hitler in his pomp now, he wouldn't tolerate these blacks or Muslims...never would have let them in ...

    Does your Mommy know you're using the computer?


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  • #102
    R P McMurphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    jack o shea wrote: »
    Europe could do with Hitler in his pomp now, he wouldn't tolerate these blacks or Muslims...never would have let them in ...

    Careful what you wish for ... he had an issue with people with intellectual disabilities as well


  • #103
    Zaph
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,418 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    jack o shea wrote: »
    Europe could do with Hitler in his pomp now, he wouldn't tolerate these blacks or Muslims...never would have let them in ...

    And we don't tolerate racist morons so I'm not sure who let you in. Anyway, I've removed your posting privileges so I'm afraid we won't be able to enjoy any more of your fascinating ideas.


  • #104
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    b_mac2 wrote: »
    I wonder would the same posters here defending the riots, have done the same if it was French citizens rioting against immigration, after 86 French people lost their lives in Nice.

    Doubt it- It would be a "hate riot".
    Can you imagine the reaction if French authorities had come out and claimed the victims had all just jumped in the way of the truck in Nice, and that the driver did nothing wrong?


  • #105
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    Why are you ignoring the long history of racism and brutality by the French police? This is not a new phenomena. Why are you not discussing the "perils" of the police engaging in brutality and criminal acts? You've entirely diverted from institutional excuses for your own agenda.

    This posters previous posts on issues such as immigration and Muslims should answer your question for you.


  • #106
    B_Wayne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    Billy86 wrote: »
    This posters previous posts on issues such as immigration and Muslims should answer your question for you.

    Yep, no idea why I expected a productive discussion.


  • #107
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    Why are you ignoring the long history of racism and brutality by the French police? This is not a new phenomena. Why are you not discussing the "perils" of the police engaging in brutality and criminal acts? You've entirely diverted from institutional excuses for your own agenda.

    You asked why i am not talking about police brutality well it is because what matters to most French people and foreign nationalists is the unrest going on the suburbs. The police are there to do their job now if you or anyone else has some kind of agenda that we should believe that all French officers are violently beating up protesters while riots run amock in Paris you can make that argument somewhere else.

    This forum is about the riots that are affecting daily life in France. Their is a state of emergency already in place and ISIS and other Jihadis have already infiltrated French society and wish harm not only on France but all of Europe so no there is no condoning acts of violence by the French police which you are insinuating it is about the intense violence being conducted by the rioters & looters.


  • #108
    B_Wayne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    You asked why i am not talking about police brutality well it is because what matters to most French people and foreign nationalists is the unrest going on the suburbs. The police are there to do their job now if you or anyone else has some kind of agenda that we should believe that all French officers are violently beating up protesters while riots run amock in Paris you can make that argument somewhere else.

    This forum is about the riots that are affecting daily life in France. Their is a state of emergency already in place and ISIS and other Jihadis have already infiltrated French society and wish harm not only on France but all of Europe so no there is no condoning acts of violence by the French police which you are insinuating it is about the intense violence being conducted by the rioters & looters.

    The events were triggered as a result of brutality by the police. You're diverting from it on Muslims and foreigners. You're ignoring that it's a long running problem that goes back decades. Notable riots in this respect go back to 1981.(check 'Hot Summer') These riots have been occurring for decades in relation to police brutality. It is a well documented institutional problem. You ignore this for your own ends. That is absolutely shameful.

    You opened this topic to have people agree with you, when people raised what triggered the event. You diverted, you claimed that a black man being anally raped by a baton may be a misrepresentation of what triggered the events. You've entirely ignored that police brutality against minorities is an endemic issue. This is not a new issue, it's not Isis doing it, it's a reaction to ongoing issues in France.


  • #109
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    The events were triggered as a result of brutality by the police. You're diverting from it on Muslims and foreigners. You're ignoring that it's a long running problem that goes back decades. Notable riots in this respect go back to 1981.(check 'Hot Summer') These riots have been occurring for decades in relation to police brutality. It is a well documented institutional problem. You ignore this for your own ends. That is absolutely shameful.

    You opened this topic to have people agree with you, when people raised what triggered the event. You diverted, you claimed that a black man being anally raped by a baton may be a misrepresentation of what triggered the events. You've entirely ignored that police brutality against minorities is an endemic issue. This is not a new issue, it's not Isis doing it, it's a reaction to ongoing issues in France.

    You completely misunderstand why i opened this thread. I opened it to discuss the topic of unrest in Paris which gets very little attention. Riots occur with great frequency in France and not just these suburb riots. A few years ago their was a right wing riot in which homophobes and Neo-Nazi's were involved in violent outbursts.

    Posters like you are convinced that anyone that disagrees with the protesters engaging in looting and violence are Islamophobes. Incase you are not aware infact i know you are aware because we see it all over our tv screens that Europeans are concerned about Islamic terrorism and it is not about race or nationality

    What we see in Egypt & Tunisia are Islamists targeting christian communities and people being programmed to hate Jews, Christians & apostate Muslims. The French police have a difficult job with the level of threats that are posed by these extreme fundamentalists. I don't envy their job and it is made worse by politicians like the National Front but also the Socialists.


  • #110
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    It is a pretty simple situation. Man gets brutally treated by police who give a **** excuse that it was an accident. People protest due to anger at the situation, tensions are high and some people will always use that to their advantage to cause chaos.

    People here then proceed to try and shove in their pet interest.


  • #111
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    It is a pretty simple situation. Man gets brutally treated by police who give a **** excuse that it was an accident. People protest due to anger at the situation, tensions are high and some people will always use that to their advantage to cause chaos.

    People here then proceed to try and shove in their pet interest.

    Their was serious rioting in 2005 all across the France and we see a similar situation occurring again. Do the police need to be retrained to deal with these riots? As we know the mob mentality is difficult to control perhaps what is really needed is a Ombudsmen to have full oversight of policing in France. It could address the concerns of the locals.


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  • #112
    B_Wayne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Their was serious rioting in 2005 all across the France and we see a similar situation occurring again. Do the police need to be retrained to deal with these riots? As we know the mob mentality is difficult to control perhaps what is really needed is a Ombudsmen to have full oversight of policing in France. It could address the concerns of the locals.

    It would most likely help if they ceased engaging in brutality etc. There have been regular riots since 1981,it's an ongoing issue and it boils over when events such as this occur. But you seem to have ignored that point entirely...


  • #113
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    I am never surprised when it comes to the French. When you put your prophet before your country, you are a traitor.

    Mod: Banned for off-topic trolling.


  • #114
    B_Wayne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    I am never surprised when it comes to the French. When you put your prophet before your country, you are a traitor.

    What are you on about?


  • #115
    BlinkingLights
    Closed Accounts Posts: 892 ✭✭✭BlinkingLights


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    It is a pretty simple situation. Man gets brutally treated by police who give a **** excuse that it was an accident. People protest due to anger at the situation, tensions are high and some people will always use that to their advantage to cause chaos.

    People here then proceed to try and shove in their pet interest.

    It's very similar to what triggered the LA riots only a bit more brutal tbh.

    The issue here is why are the police not reforming? This isn't the first time that the police in France have caused riots and I don't think it'll be the last either.


  • #116
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Their was serious rioting in 2005 all across the France and we see a similar situation occurring again. Do the police need to be retrained to deal with these riots? As we know the mob mentality is difficult to control perhaps what is really needed is a Ombudsmen to have full oversight of policing in France. It could address the concerns of the locals.

    They need to be retrained to have more control of their tools to prevent them accidentally slipping into orifices in future at the very least.

    The police are meant to be the ones keeping peace and enforcing the law at the lowest level. Strict penalties need to apply to those with such power who abuse it. A problem that is happening elsewhere in the world too is that some are getting away with it.
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    I am never surprised when it comes to the French. When you put your prophet before your country, you are a traitor.

    The guy was a prophet?


  • #117
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    What are you on about?

    What they're on is an attention hunt. ;)


  • #118
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Posters like you are convinced that anyone that disagrees with the protesters engaging in looting and violence are Islamophobes. Incase you are not aware infact i know you are aware because we see it all over our tv screens that Europeans are concerned about Islamic terrorism and it is not about race or nationality

    I have no idea where you're getting that from. People have said they understand why riots are taking place but that they don't condone them. I don't think I've seen anyone saying that if you condemn the violence you're an Islamophobe.

    KingBrian2 wrote: »

    What we see in Egypt & Tunisia are Islamists targeting christian communities and people being programmed to hate Jews, Christians & apostate Muslims. The French police have a difficult job with the level of threats that are posed by these extreme fundamentalists. I don't envy their job and it is made worse by politicians like the National Front but also the Socialists.

    And that's completely unrelated to this. This is a poor section of the population that has been victimised by the police. As I've said before it's very similar to black lives matter, Rodney King and the UK riots a few years ago. It's a poor community reacting to police brutality. It has absolutely nothing to do with religion.


  • #119
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Grayson wrote: »
    I have no idea where you're getting that from. People have said they understand why riots are taking place but that they don't condone them. I don't think I've seen anyone saying that if you condemn the violence you're an Islamophobe.




    And that's completely unrelated to this. This is a poor section of the population that has been victimised by the police. As I've said before it's very similar to black lives matter, Rodney King and the UK riots a few years ago. It's a poor community reacting to police brutality. It has absolutely nothing to do with religion.

    According to media reports in France and elsewhere in Europe ISIS is recruiting Jihadi's in the suburbs therefore it is related. What happens in Egypt plays out on the streets in Paris and London. We don't hear of this trouble in Madrid, Rome, Berlin or Amsterdam and all those cities have minority communities.

    As for the condemning the violence posters are calling me out for pointing to the protesters who are rioting and looting who don't care about the police or their fellow citizens.


  • #120
    B_Wayne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    Such riots have been happening since the 1980s in France so attributing it to ISIS is extraordinarily creative thinking.


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  • #121
    IvyTheTerrible
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    Just for info, there were peaceful protests yesterday all over France. 2500 people protested in Paris and there was very limited violence on the fringes.
    There was no violence at all the the other protests.


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