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Teenage Disco bans inappropriate outfits

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    razorblunt wrote: »
    Actually, this isn't quite a disco, it's a ball, the dress code makes sense.
    Though in saying that, I've seen women of all ages wear similar dresses (or worse) to balls and weddings.

    Yeah if anything the lads are getting the worse deal on this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,933 ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Cameo wrote: »
    What has Catholic Ireland and "repression" got to do with it?

    People from sexually liberated countries like France, Germany, Holland, Belgium and the Nordic countries find the phenomenon in anglophone countries of dressing as tackily as possible to be absolutely baffling.
    Yeah I've often had people ask me about this abroad, and I've never had a good answer as to why


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    It's a weird Irish and British thing. You don't see girls from Germany, France, Spain, America and Canada etc going out like that during the winter and rarely in the summer.

    However those girls have no problems wearing Bikinis during the day but you never see Irish females doing this, unless they are abroad.

    Bitches be crazy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,863 ✭✭✭seachto7


    Cameo wrote: »

    People from sexually liberated countries like France, Germany, Holland, Belgium and the Nordic countries find the phenomenon in anglophone countries of dressing as tackily as possible to be absolutely baffling.

    Good point, and something I have heard non Irish point out too. That's not to say any of the above mentioned don't have their tacky side....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    In fairness it's a ball, not a standard disco. A bit of class and decorum is to be expected when going to a formal function like that. I used to leave my house in respectable clothes and then change in my friends house, but back then (about 10 yrs) the most risqué thing we wore were mini skirts, and not even that mini at that. Nowadays they are basically out in their underwear, and god love some craytures do not have the figures for it at all. Some parents are perfectly happy to let their daughters out dressed like that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,933 ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    naughtb4 wrote: »
    Yeah if anything the lads are getting the worse deal on this

    A few years ago yeah, but now that Conon McGregor has made the suit and dickie bow combo popular id say the lads are probably only too happy to have an excuse


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    I am all for this. I hate seeing teenage girls half naked, staggering around like storks on a pair of heels they can't walk in. And their male counterparts fully dressed in something warm. It's so depressing. We should be teaching girls them they don't need to be half naked (and vulnerable) to be attractive.
    As far as I can see its women brining a lot of those expectations on themselves. Most guys seem to say they prefer more natural looking girls, with less make up caked on. And this pisses girls off and they say theyre not doing it for men theyre doing it for themselves. Well you cant say that and then also say society makes you do this to feel attractive


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    ScumLord wrote: »
    We don't give out when a man wears a tight shirt showing off his masculine features but demonise women when they show skin.

    I'm not (nor are most people) referring to women wearing "a tight shirt" to show off their feminine features.
    Is it wrong to tell a woman she can't express herself because I might find it distracting?

    Well, that would depend what you define as a woman merely expressing her sexuality. I mean, you could say a man who pulls his cock out on the bus is just expressing his sexuality. As a society we have to have boundaries and I feel the image I posted crosses them. Much of these so called "wardrobe malfunctions" where young girls have exposed their genitalia have very much been deliberate. That's not women harmlessly expressing their sexuality. Men are often imprisoned for exposing themselves in public for doing little more than some of these women are doing to get their photos into magazines.
    If a woman wears a skimpy dress, it's generally other people that have the problem assuming men won't be able to control themselves, which is nonsense.

    Of course that's nonsense but that's a strawman argument as nobody is saying men can't control themselves and therefore women shouldn't dress provocatively, or at least I'm not. I'm merely saying that young girls will inevitably look to adult women and how they conduct themselves in society and right now at almost every movie premiere and awards show these days, famous women are turning up half naked, braless, wearing see thru blouses etc etc, and so who can blame young girls for thinking this is what they should be doing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,551 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Jodotman wrote: »
    People still seem to think theres something wrong with random sex with people.

    There is quite a bit wrong with it.

    Theres also the issue that 15 year old children are not legal for sex (for good reasons based on their inability to give meaningful consent) and anyone who screws one is running the risk of getting on the sex offenders register.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭Cina


    There is quite a bit wrong with it.

    There really isn't, as long as you use a contraceptive that will eliminate the risk of STD's and pregnancy. Sadly our sex education is still terrible here due to our outdated views so this likely won't always be the case for many.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    gramar wrote: »
    15 year olds shouldn't have to go out dressing provocatively.

    Who says they "have" to? I don't "have" to have a pint on a Wednesday evening, but I'm on my way to do just that. :pac:
    No-one is advocating a return to the girls on one side boys on the other scenario. Not mentioned even once. Wear something decent not something indecent.

    "Decent" and "indecent" are entirely based on opinion and nothing more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


    Cina wrote: »
    There really isn't, as long as you use a contraceptive that will eliminate the risk of STD's and pregnancy. Sadly our sex education is still terrible here due to our outdated views so this likely won't always be the case for many.

    No contraceptive eliminates the risk of crabs, or at the more permanent end of the scale, herpes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    ScumLord wrote: »
    It's been that way since the dawn of time, we just can't see past our Catholic upbringing.

    Its funny how people get hung up about clothes. I remember this same stuff happening when I was a teenager, the exact same arguments. It's weird how a dress worn at a ball can be too revealing yet a bikini at a beach is just right. What difference does it make? But that's humans for you, bizarre and willing to argue with their own shadows.

    The organisers of the ball are perfectly entitled to enact a dress code and everyone else is perfectly entitled to not bother going.

    Oh sure, I said 17 years simply because I myself hit puberty in 1999/2000 and wouldn't have noticed or been aware of it before then, so that's the only direct evidence I have :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    silverharp wrote: »
    there is a balance in the middle, I don't think that is it a positive that many 15 year olds are having sex (if that is what you meant) but I'd imagine most aren't.

    That's not necessarily what I meant, sexually active can mean anything from eating somebody out to being tied to a bed while your girlfriend hits you with implements. It's what you make it. :D

    I don't see it as positive or negative - it's a personal choice. I see it as a positive that society is starting to get over the idea that it's an inherently bad thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    b_mac2 wrote: »
    Make them wear a burqa.

    NO

    NO

    NO



    They might make a Bad Habit out of it :rolleyes:

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    14 year olds having sex with random people is of course wrong, it's ludicrous to suggest otherwise

    Why?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,580 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Cina wrote: »
    There really isn't, as long as you use a contraceptive that will eliminate the risk of STD's and pregnancy. Sadly our sex education is still terrible here due to our outdated views so this likely won't always be the case for many.


    Your comments are a prime example of just how terrible our sex education must be when you're of the opinion that a contraceptive eliminates the risk of STI's and pregnancy. There's a whole heap wrong with minors who are sexually active, let alone with randomers.

    As far as this ball/disco/whatever and girls wearing barely there clothing and bambi heels, it's not any indication of sexualisation or anything else, it's young girls wearing what young girls were wearing 10, 20, 30 years ago. It's fashion, and this whole effort is just a ridiculous publicity stunt that the venue knew would garner attention on social media, a bit like Coppers annual "looking for Adam, met in Coppers after the All-Ireland" nonsense.

    They know it gets attention.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Cameo wrote: »
    It's just as sexually repressed to keep reeling off that sex should be no big deal and it's healthy to **** all around you non stop - no, it's not for everyone. It depends on the individual.

    But you've defeated your own argument. Nobody's saying that it has to be no big deal, just that it is for some people. And if those people choose to flaunt their bodies in that manner, that should be their choice and nobody else's.

    This argument is really about whether nosey busybodies should have a say in others' victimless behaviour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    I'm not (nor are most people) referring to women wearing "a tight shirt" to show off their feminine features.
    I know. I'm trying to find an equivalent in men to the skimpy dress. Them tight rugby tops, sure they might as well be in the buff. Or a man wearing a wife beater, women can find muscular arms on men sexually attractive, so a man wearing a wife beater could be similar to a woman wearing a short skirt.


    Well, that would depend what you define as a woman merely expressing her sexuality. I mean, you could say a man who pulls his cock out on the bus is just expressing his sexuality. As a society we have to have boundaries and I feel the image I posted crosses them.
    that's not really the same thing though. A man pulling out his lad isn't the same thing as a dress that shows off more than it should, perhaps accidentally.

    Your point about her is right by the way, she's probably just looking for attention off the media knowing full well she'll be plastered over the newspaper by showing a bit of muff. Nips and side boob won't cut it anymore.

    I wasn't saying you're point was wrong I was asking are we allowing millennia of normalised oppression to cloud our judgement. Like, before civilisation it's possible some people saw women's parts as sacred when you look at some of the iconography. They would have been running around half naked and saw womens bits as important and worth acknowledging. After thousands of years of forcing women to cover up we can't seem to separate women's bodies from sex. Not even reproduction, but pure sex.


    I'm merely saying that young girls will inevitably look to adult women and how they conduct themselves in society and right now at almost every movie premiere and awards show these days, famous women are turning up half naked, braless, wearing see thru blouses etc etc, and so who can blame young girls for thinking this is what they should be doing.
    I agree with that. But the reason it's bad for young girls to do that is not because it will do something bad to them, but because of how others will react. Men will see sexual objects, women will demonise them for making the men see them as sexual objects.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭KKkitty


    I'm from Kilkenny and while this may seem oppressive in some ways it's not in others. Young girls wearing skimpy clothing in freezing weather isn't great to look at. They can't be comfortable in what they're wearing either. If they drop something on the ground what's on show if they go to pick it up. I wasn't into skimpy clothing when I was a teenager but they're not yet adults but not children as such at the same time. They may be dressing like this to impress others which isn't great.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


    Why?

    I know there's all sorts online, but I have no absolutely no intention of having any further discourse with someone who believes 14 year olds having sex with random people is perfectly acceptable, bloody hell.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    I know there's all sorts online, but I have no absolutely no intention of having any further discourse with someone who believes 14 year olds having sex with random people is perfectly acceptable, bloody hell.

    In other words, you have no argument and believe what you believe "just because". Probably because society has taught you to think that way without any further reasoning behind it.

    Personally I wouldn't have done it at that age (I say that as if I had numerous opportunities, of course ;) ) but I don't believe anything at all can be described as objectively wrong unless somebody is a victim.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Vast majority of girls nowadays are too fat for those outfits. The venue is doing them a favor because exposed rolls of fat and cellulite legs are anything but appealing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Slut shaming, fat shaming, rape culture....This thread has it all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,974 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    I had a fair idea that this would go down the route of old people have no idea and shoilsotry and control what young people wear and think.

    Well we were all young once and not that long ago. It's possible to be young and have a sense that people of all ages view you as they see you first.

    There is no shame in trying to enstill a sense of modesty and self respect in young people particularly parents of young girls are aware of this.

    Encouraging sexual activity in 14/15 year old girls is just wrong on so many levels and I can't see how anyone can see it as acceptable and for me this includes allowing them to dress excessively provocatively.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,974 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    I had a fair idea that this would go down the route of older people have no idea and shouldn't try and control what young people wear and think.

    Well we were all young once and not that long ago. It's possible to be young and have a sense that people of all ages view you as they see you first.

    There is no shame in trying to enstill a sense of modesty and self respect in young people particularly parents of young girls are aware of this.

    Encouraging sexual activity in 14/15 year old girls is just wrong on so many levels and I can't see how anyone can see it as acceptable and for me this includes allowing them to dress excessively provocatively.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Slut shaming, fat shaming, rape culture....This thread has it all.

    Yes that's it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Yes that's it.
    You know what they say, the worm in the hand catches the bush.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Why?

    Because we as a society have decided that 14 years of age is not old enough to be able to consent to sex.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    In other words, you have no argument and believe what you believe "just because". Probably because society has taught you to think that way without any further reasoning behind it.

    Personally I wouldn't have done it at that age (I say that as if I had numerous opportunities, of course ;) ) but I don't believe anything at all can be described as objectively wrong unless somebody is a victim.


    So applying your libertarian philosophy, is it perfectly acceptable for 13 year olds to be going around having sex with random strangers?
    12 yr olds?
    11?
    how about 10 year olds?
    Is there a lower limit you're not ok with?

    What about 12 yr old girls with 16yr old males.
    consensual of course...because society etc.


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