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buried wrote: »

You'd be surprised what tribal warriors can do. The Vikings had this thing called the "Blood Eagle" where they'd rip the lungs out of a enemy's back and twist them upwards to look like 'the wings of odin'.

not to go off on a tangent here but blood eagle may not have been real there is very little evidence of it and even if it was, its easy enough to see how it could be done.


I'm just saying i don't think you can bash a human body flat with a club , make a slit in it and wear it as a Pancho

When you see them over in the house of commons, circle jerking about how crucial it is that Britain stands up for "British values" of decency and equality in the face of Trump's America, it's nice to have a little derisory snort.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I'm not sure 2 or 3 references to the ritual in norse literature counts as plenty. Even those were written several hundred years after they were supposed to have happened.

Yeah, your right, no white man, even the Vikings who terrorised an entire continent could ever dream of doing such a thing. It must be bull$hit

Fratton Fred wrote: »

could you name any country that is today, more culturally integrated, diverse and tolerant than the UK?

Canada? Sweden?

As far as I'm aware the Norse didn't have a written language in the beginning. So there wouldn't be any literature from the time.

I wouldn't be surprised if it happened. Ancient peoples were weird. Before Christianity I think it was normal for people to dig up their dead relatives and remove the head for display in the home.

Even modern day cannibal tribes don't consider themselves to be cannibals. As far as their concerned the person has been taken over by an evil spirit and the only way to release them is to eat their body.

Human sacrifice was common and I think there's even evidence of people in high status positions being sacrificed, either they did something wrong or it may have been an honor to be sacrificed.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

could you name any country that is today, more culturally integrated, diverse and tolerant than the UK?

The Netherlands?

Cianmcliam wrote: »

As for Tahiti, Wright quotes Lawrence Keeley who described "the custom in which a victorious warrior would “pound his vanquished foe’s corpse flat with his heavy war club, cut a slit through the well-crushed victim, and don him as a trophy poncho.”

There must have been a scramble for ringside seats at the catwalk.

farmchoice wrote: »

calm down, you claimed there is loads of written evidence of this practice it was pointed out to you there is in fact very little.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_eagle

Very little on 'wikipedia' alright. That must be that then. I guess I better throw all my books about the subject in the bin. Now its been 'pointed out to me' at long last

buried wrote: »

Very little on 'wikipedia' alright. That must be that then. I guess I better throw all my books about the subject in the bin. Now its been 'pointed out to me' at long last

go on then give us a few of your sources that outline more then the 2-3 known references to this in the sagas and which are outlined in that wiki article.

now i have a feeling that the books you are talking about are works of fiction about vikings as opposed to scholarly dissertations or published works on the subject, but sure name them anyway.

farmchoice wrote: »

go on then give us a few of your sources that outline more then the 2-3 known references to this in the sagas and which are outlined in that wiki article.

now i have a feeling that the books you are talking about are works of fiction about vikings as opposed to scholarly dissertations or published works on the subject, but sure name them anyway.

Richard Adels. Alfred the Great: War, Kingship and Culture in Anglo-Saxon England. Longman Books, 1998

Gwyn Jones. A History of the Vikings. Oxford University Press, 1968.

G. Halsall. Warfare and Society in the Barbarian West. Routledge, 2002.

Great reads. Way more satisfying than a 2 second search on the wiki machine. You should treat yourself

buried wrote: »

Richard Adels. Alfred the Great: War, Kingship and Culture in Anglo-Saxon England. Longman Books, 1998

Gwyn Jones. A History of the Vikings. Oxford University Press, 1968.

G. Halsall. Warfare and Society in the Barbarian West. Routledge, 2002.

Great reads. Way more satisfying than a 2 second search on the wiki machine. You should treat yourself

which of those books makes reference to any soucrse other then the 2 (3 at a stretch) mentioned in the wik article and could you outline it please.

I'm not being smart but i dont believe that any of the books you have referenced deviate from what would be the general scholarly view which is fairly well outlined in that wiki article.

The UK has changed massively in the past 50 years stars and stripes. Look at the big cities for instance.

It's not comparable to us at all. We've had nowhere near the level of immigration.

buried wrote: »

I'm not being smart either but I think I could be here all night referencing you and you'd still choose not to believe anything either.

Try referencing a copy of Adel's book concerning Alfred the Great. In that work of study Adel goes into the capture of Ragner Lodbrok, the greatest Viking hero of the first generation of raiders, how he was captured off the shores of Northumbria and then thrown into a snake pit by King Aelle.
Later, in 866 867, the sons of Ragnar attacked York to avenge their father, capturing King Aelle and subjecting him to the “blood eagle.”

so far this is the only reference you have provided and it is one of the ones referred to in the wiki atricle.
you are claiming that the wiki article is incomplete in its description of the sources to support blood eagle.
you claimed that you had many books that outline the practice, you named 3 books.
i said all three only used the sources that were outlined in the wiki article and asked you for some other ones that came from these books.

you came back with one that was in the wiki article. i'm not sure you actually read the wiki article so ill throw in these quotes from it from scholarly sources on the subject.

. Roberta Frank writes in her article "Viking Atrocity and Skaldic Verse: The Rite of the Blood-Eagle": "By the beginning of the nineteenth century, the various saga motifs—eagle sketch, rib division, lung surgery, and 'saline stimulant'—were combined in inventive sequences designed for maximum horror."[9] She concludes that the authors of the sagas misunderstood alliterative kennings which described carnivorous birds scavenging after battles, i.e. killing a foe and turning them into carrion on the battlefield.

David Horspool in his book "King Alfred: Burnt Cakes and Other Legends" (while not committing to the historical veracity of the ritual), compares the lurid details of the blood eagle to martyrdom tracts expressing the final tortures of worthy victims in terms reflective of the intended execution of Saint Sebastian (shot so full of arrows that their ribs and internal organs were exposed) which were combined and exaggerated into a grandiose torture and death ritual that never was.[10]


Ronald Hutton's The Pagan Religions of the Ancient British Isles: Their Nature and Legacy states (p. 282) that "the hitherto notorious rite of the 'Blood Eagle,' the killing of a defeated warrior by pulling up his ribs and lungs through his back, has been shown to be almost certainly a Christian myth resulting from the misunderstanding of some older verse."