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Widdershins · 10-02-2017 03:59PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ask them what they think he'll do about Chicago and see what they say.

We need to wait and see whether he does. What he does has been established. He makes an inflammatory statement about a minority, then move on to the next issue.

There's nothing in this for the people affected by gun violence in Chicago.

I'm more than sick of the subject but if it comes up I will. What was his statement?

Brian? · 10-02-2017 04:22PM

It's funny. With all of this talk about Chicago, it's not even the most dangerous city in illinois. East St Louis wins that dubious honour.

Trump probably doesn't know that though.

KingBrian2 · 10-02-2017 04:37PM

If you search the internet you will find article after article of Americans leaving the country to participate in Jihadi organisations oversees. The liberals cannot say the proliferation of Islamism has not been a major factor in the election of Donald Trump. When liberals start defending Islamism their arguments become weak. Of course Trump is not after all Muslims but by constantly attacking the President they actual do all our interests harm. We all want to live free of terror and America needs to take a position that it no longer tolerates such acts of cruelty. Previous immigration systems allowed dangerous people to enter America, France, Germany and Britain without any regard for the security and popular views of the voters.

Brian? · 10-02-2017 04:45PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

If you search the internet you will find article after article of Americans leaving the country to participate in Jihadi organisations oversees. The liberals cannot say the proliferation of Islamism has not been a major factor in the election of Donald Trump. When liberals start defending Islamism their arguments become weak. Of course Trump is not after all Muslims but by constantly attacking the President they actual do all our interests harm. We all want to live free of terror and America needs to take a position that it no longer tolerates such acts of cruelty. Previous immigration systems allowed dangerous people to enter America, France, Germany and Britain without any regard for the security and popular views of the voters.

Who or what is this a response to?

El_Duderino 09 · 10-02-2017 04:50PM

Widdershins wrote:

I'm more than sick of the subject but if it comes up I will. What was his statement?

Chicago's dreadful. Rotten with drugs guns and gangs. He was speaking to police chief's and told them they could deal with it.

He didn't even say he'd do anything about it. Just pointed out that it's bad. Trump supporters are delighted as he did the job already. Make white Americans feel great again. No need for further action.

See what they say he'll do and wait to see if he does anything.

Zubeneschamali · 10-02-2017 04:55PM

Brian? wrote: »

It's funny. With all of this talk about Chicago, it's not even the most dangerous city in illinois.

Chicago is important because it connects "urban" (meaning black) crime to Obama.

KingBrian2 · 10-02-2017 05:02PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Chicago's dreadful. Rotten with drugs guns and gangs. He was speaking to police chief's and told them they could deal with it.

He didn't even say he'd do anything about it. Just pointed out that it's bad. Trump supporters are delighted as he did the job already. Make white Americans feel great again. No need for further action.

See what they say he'll do and wait to see if he does anything.

It should not matter if it is Black or White or Latino Crime but those communities suffer the most without taking those criminals out.

Widdershins · 10-02-2017 05:07PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Chicago's dreadful. Rotten with drugs guns and gangs. He was speaking to police chief's and told them they could deal with it.

He didn't even say he'd do anything about it. Just pointed out that it's bad. Trump supporters are delighted as he did the job already. Make white Americans feel great again. No need for further action.

See what they say he'll do and wait to see if he does anything.

I thought you said it was an inflammatory statement against an ethnic group?

El_Duderino 09 · 10-02-2017 05:15PM

KingBrian2 wrote:

It should not matter if it is Black or White or Latino Crime but those communities suffer the most without taking those criminals out.

He didn't propose going anything about it. He just pointed out that it's bad - making white Americans feel great again. I wonder if you even noticed that he didn't even propose a solution to the problem

Widdershins wrote:

I thought you said it was an inflammatory statement against an ethnic group?

Guns gangs drugs in chicago = black lads. No way he's going to say anything about the drug problems in Ohio because that's mostly white people.

Brian? · 10-02-2017 05:27PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

It should not matter if it is Black or White or Latino Crime but those communities suffer the most without taking those criminals out.

Why do you think Trump is singling out Chicago as opposed to the 100 or so places in the US that are more dangerous to live in than Chicago?

KingBrian2 · 10-02-2017 05:30PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

He didn't propose going anything about it. He just pointed out that it's bad - making white Americans feel great again. I wonder if you even noticed that he didn't even propose a solution to the problem

Guns gangs drugs in chicago = black lads. No way he's going to say anything about the drug problems in Ohio because that's mostly white people.

Hold on making White Americans feel great again Blacks are the ones living in the nightmare that is the ghettos of Chicago. You might say fabulously wealthy Trump has no business sticking his noise into deprived communities with all his wealth but that same argument can be made against the crooked politicians in D.C. who have done nothing to advance the cause of equality in the country.

Widdershins · 10-02-2017 05:55PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

He didn't propose going anything about it. He just pointed out that it's bad - making white Americans feel great again. I wonder if you even noticed that he didn't even propose a solution to the problem

Guns gangs drugs in chicago = black lads. No way he's going to say anything about the drug problems in Ohio because that's mostly white people.

I don't trust your judgement here at all. This is your interpretation that you present as if it was the literal transcript of his ''inflammatory statement''. Putting two and two together and coming up with twenty. It's practically fake news.

I think he mentioned sending in ''the Feds''.

Zubeneschamali · 10-02-2017 05:56PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

You might say fabulously wealthy Trump has no business sticking his noise into deprived communities with all his wealth

Indeed, that is why he appointed a Brain Surgeon and a Comedian to handle "urban" issues. They'll be cool, because they are black urban, too.

Brian? · 10-02-2017 06:14PM

Widdershins wrote: »

I don't trust your judgement here at all. This is your interpretation that you present as if it was the literal transcript of his ''inflammatory statement''. Putting two and two together and coming up with twenty. It's practically fake news.

I think he mentioned sending in ''the Feds''.

Do you understand the legal issues involved in sending in "the Feds". I don't think Donald does

KingBrian2 · 10-02-2017 06:22PM

Brian? wrote: »

Do you understand the legal issues involved in sending in "the Feds". I don't think Donald does

He knows enough that the current situation is intolerable. Lets face it Chicago has one of the highest crime records in America and while Democrats were too busy implementing Republican policies a vacuum was created and Trump has filled that space. He spoke a lot at his convention about lawlessness across the country so he was pretty vague. Now that he is in office he must provide details on what his administration is going to do.

Widdershins · 10-02-2017 07:01PM

Brian? wrote: »

Do you understand the legal issues involved in sending in "the Feds". I don't think Donald does

No and couldn't care less-why would or should I as an Irish citizen? I'm sure if he does not he will be advised on it. Hopefully by people with more of value to say than endless snipes.

SeamusFX · 10-02-2017 07:49PM

I can't understand how someone could start a thread blaming the Liberal! Let's face it, the people protesting are peacefully protesting against a man who is not only the most unqualified president ever, didn't win by a majority, but claims and acts as if he did and is also an arrogant loose cannon, who could endanger the world and is now showing signs of a mental illness. Meanwhile, his alt-right base will buy anything he throws at them, not matter how many times he is proven wrong and his story lines have been proven to be lies. It's gotten so bad, the media is now even afraid to say Trump and his mouthpieces lied and they refer to it as alternative truths. I'm sorry, if you intentionally say something that is untrue, it's a lie. Ironically, it's the right wing that claims the liberal sugar coat things, such hypocrisy. Sorry, but many of the people protesting aren't even liberals, just people who are fearful of what Trump will do to America and the World. In America for the next 4 years, the left has a lot more to be fearful for than the right. I'm not living in America and I was disgusted with the results of the election, but I'm very happy to see there are still many people with sense who are going out there peacefully protesting.

MightyMandarin · 10-02-2017 08:26PM

Forgetting the fact that Chicago is only being singled out because it's Obama's home city, what exactly do people want him to do?

As long as the war on drugs continues, so too will gangs and criminals flourish. Has Trump or the GOP done anything to stop this, or do they plan to? The answer is a resounding NO.

Forget about legalising drugs, cause there's not a hope in hell they'll do it; what about addicts? It took Mike Pence months to allow needle exchanges for the HIV epidemic in Indiana, with hundreds dying in the meantime, and once the exchange program did its job and the HIV outbreak died down? He banned it again. Utter ****ing moron.

Now think about tackling the violence, cause this is what Donald loves to ****e on about. Are you in favour of him doing some sort of Duterte-style campaign employing officers and death squads to round-up and mass execute drug dealers and barons? Don't think for a second there won't be even more innocent lives lost.

Now think about the gun violence, cause let's face it, the NRA love to hold up Chicago's strict (by American standards) gun laws, and point to "this is what happens; criminals get the guns". Will Trump, and especially Pence given Indiana falls into the outskirts of the city, be looking to enforce gun control in the neighbouring states of Wisconsin and Indiana? Will they tighten the gun restrictions especially since it's a well-known fact that the gangs can drive 50miles either way and buy as much as they like in order to by-pass Illinois' laws?

Trump can talk all the bollocks he wants about "bringing in the Feds" but the reality is he'll avoid the policies that would actually solve the problem. He can also claim he cares about the people of Chicago but the reality is Obama in his several years as a community organizer will be the only modern president to have done anything good for that city.

El_Duderino 09 · 10-02-2017 08:40PM

KingBrian2 wrote:

Hold on making White Americans feel great again Blacks are the ones living in the nightmare that is the ghettos of Chicago. You might say fabulously wealthy Trump has no business sticking his noise into deprived communities with all his wealth but that same argument can be made against the crooked politicians in D.C. who have done nothing to advance the cause of equality in the country.

He hasn't proposed doing anything to help those people in those ghettos. He just told the whole country about is terrible those ghetto people are. That's all he had to do.

I suppose you're impressed that he even spoke about it. Will you hold it against him if he doesn't attempt to improve those people's situation?

El_Duderino 09 · 10-02-2017 08:44PM

Widdershins wrote:

I don't trust your judgement here at all. This is your interpretation that you present as if it was the literal transcript of his ''inflammatory statement''. Putting two and two together and coming up with twenty. It's practically fake news.

I was paraphrasing. That should be clear.

Widdershins wrote:

I think he mentioned sending in ''the Feds''.

What does that even mean? Sending in the feds?

Brian? · 11-02-2017 12:37PM

Widdershins wrote: »

No and couldn't care less-why would or should I as an Irish citizen? I'm sure if he does not he will be advised on it. Hopefully by people with more of value to say than endless snipes.

So what's your input into the debate if you clearly know nothing about it?

Widdershins · 11-02-2017 06:12PM

Brian? wrote: »

So what's your input into the debate if you clearly know nothing about it?

The thread is not about U.S Law around drugs and gangs.

red ears · 11-02-2017 06:26PM

Brian? wrote: »

It's funny. With all of this talk about Chicago, it's not even the most dangerous city in illinois. East St Louis wins that dubious honour.

Trump probably doesn't know that though.

East st Louis is 97 percent black.

Brian? · 11-02-2017 06:26PM

Widdershins wrote: »

The thread is not about U.S Law around drugs and gangs.

You answered a post that was about the crime problem in Chicago though and implied Trump should be given time to show he could fix it.

He doesn't even understand how law enforcement works, demonstrated by his "send in the Feds" tweet. How in gods name could he fix it?

Widdershins · 11-02-2017 06:32PM

Brian? wrote: »

You answered a post that was about the crime problem in Chicago though and implied Trump should be given time to show he could fix it.

He doesn't even understand how law enforcement works, demonstrated by his "send in the Feds" tweet. How in gods name could he fix it?

I answered a post to enquire whether Trump had really made inflammatory statements about an ethnic group.It was many comments back now so I'm not going back just to see what your reason for dragging it up was. I don't think this line of questioning of yours is enhancing the thread either.

Brian? · 11-02-2017 07:02PM

red ears wrote: »

East st Louis is 97 percent black.

Your point?

red ears · 11-02-2017 08:00PM

Brian? wrote: »

Your point?

Until I read your post I'd never heard of the place so I googled it. It's interesting and depressing that the most violent or crime ridden place in Illinois is 97 percent black. Whats your opinion on that stat?

Brian? · 11-02-2017 08:02PM

red ears wrote: »

Until I read your post I'd never heard of the place so I googled it. It's interesting and depressing that the most violent or crime ridden place in Illinois is 97 percent black. Whats your opinion on that stat?

It's terrible. I don't care about the racial profile.

demfad · 13-02-2017 11:26AM

red ears wrote: »

Until I read your post I'd never heard of the place so I googled it. It's interesting and depressing that the most violent or crime ridden place in Illinois is 97 percent black. Whats your opinion on that stat?

What are the poverty levels? Where correlation is found to exist academic research tends to correlate crime rates to poverty rates.

Your post implies that crime rates are high in that area because most people are black. Do you have any reason to state this? If you don't have reason then by definition your argument is based on prejudice which in this case would be racism.

Can you clear this up please?

marienbad · 13-02-2017 01:08PM

red ears wrote: »

Until I read your post I'd never heard of the place so I googled it. It's interesting and depressing that the most violent or crime ridden place in Illinois is 97 percent black. Whats your opinion on that stat?

I am sure you could do a similar exercise on Limerick city in the 80's , and you would probably find that 85% of the crime was due to the inhabitants of about 4 housing estates .

What do you think that tells us ?

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