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Why Garda incompetence is acceptable?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    The only thing needed to succeed in Ireland is bare brass neck. Nobody will fall on their sword for this and we all know it. Say what you like about the British but their political class have some honour unlike the assorted shower of gimps that reside in Leinster house and Garda HQ.

    I'd agree with you but this dosnt exist in isolation. It's a reflection of our society, gombeenism, nepotism, nudge nudge wink wink.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 696 ✭✭✭Noddyholder


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    The Garda needs root and branch serious reform. There seems to be a lot of mismanagement, incompetence, cronyism and political point scoring in the organisation. There are a lot of good Gardai who aren't being fairly promoted on merit due to favouritism and internal politics.

    The fact that senior Garda appointments are political appointments is a disgrace.
    I'd agree with you but this dosnt exist in isolation. It's a reflection of our society, gombeenism, nepotism, nudge nudge wink wink.

    I agree with above, The above has been going on for years and anyone in there 40,s or more will have to know that.

    Unfortuanlly like the RCC in Ireland the garda were given totally authority in the state in which they answered to know one, Its only now that they are being held accountable by the mainstream media. I am not surprised at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 427 ✭✭Boggy Turf


    Specialun wrote: »
    What are the chances that aclerical error just managed to happen to mccabe..

    Zero. It is a lie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,465 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Boggy Turf wrote: »
    Zero. It is a lie.

    I wonder who the clerical officer is related to?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Zapone is definitely under the microscope though. No surprise being an amateur politician.

    Zappone needs to go.
    Besides being an amateur, her liberal feminist theologian background keeps her detached from the realities of everyday life. Some of her decisions are appalling, with far-reaching negative consequences that she will never have to endure.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,465 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Zappone needs to go.
    Besides being an amateur, her liberal feminist theologian background keeps her detached from the realities of everyday life. Some of her decisions are appalling, with far-reaching negative consequences that she will never have to endure.

    she does seem a bit detached from reality alright
    if she goes, will the other independents pull their support of FG?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    she does seem a bit detached from reality alright
    if she goes, will the other independents pull their support of FG?
    She comes across as what she is; an American feminist theologian.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    I think Zappone should go too, but if the buck stops with her on this issue it'll be disappointing.

    She looks set to be thrown under the bus anyway to protect Fitzgerald


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 artemis268


    A guy who easily could have a concealed weapon was trying to break down my door for my apartment for 40 min at 3am in the morning and took garda an hour to respond. I repeatedly called three time but they said they were busy. And of course, the guy left right before the police arrived. Easily the scariest moment I had living in Dublin.

    The response times in this country is unreal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,134 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    artemis268 wrote: »
    A guy who easily could have a concealed weapon was trying to break down my door for my apartment for 40 min at 3am in the morning and took garda an hour to respond. I repeatedly called three time but they said they were busy. And of course, the guy left right before the police arrived. Easily the scariest moment I had living in Dublin.

    The response times in this country is unreal.

    I agree. Most rural people already know that it's pointless calling the Guards. But what should be investigated is what they were busy doing that could be more important than your situation.

    I would definitely report it to the Ombudsman.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Discodog wrote: »
    I agree. Most rural people already know that it's pointless calling the Guards. But what should be investigated is what they were busy doing that could be more important than your situation.

    I would definitely report it to the Ombudsman.

    The culture within the gardai and the organisations reputation is such that most people would be afraid to make a report to the ombudsman due to the perceived possibilities of reprocusions.

    If I had to make a complaint to the garda ombudsman, I wouldn't be in the least surprised if I found myself on the receiving end of a campaign of intimation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 427 ✭✭Boggy Turf


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Zappone needs to go.
    Besides being an amateur, her liberal feminist theologian background keeps her detached from the realities of everyday life. Some of her decisions are appalling, with far-reaching negative consequences that she will never have to endure.

    Fitzgerald was Childrens minister when the allegations were made.

    Zappone is a scapegoat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,998 ✭✭✭Satriale


    I think Zappone should go too, but if the buck stops with her on this issue it'll be disappointing.

    She looks set to be thrown under the bus anyway to protect Fitzgerald

    I'd say that bus has left the depot.
    The Comissioner was appointed by Frances Fitzgerald and had her full confidence. If these allegation have any basis i'd be seriously calling her judgement into question.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 68 ✭✭Banana Republican


    If Zappone had her way she'd flood the country with "child" refugees and we'd have a situation similar to Germany and Sweden. I have no time for her or any of her policies but that said she is going to be used as a mudguard by FG/FF for this mess. These guys wouldn't look amiss in a gangster flick.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,789 ✭✭✭Alf Stewart.


    And likewise, there is nothing in that article that shows any attempt by Gardaí to frame or anything like it Mr. McCabe. The article barely mentions the Gardaí and if they're guilty of anything, it's not investigating it sooner. I'd imagine they're crossing every T and dotting every i since he became a whistleblower, because he would know to look for and jump at the smallest of things. You can say it smacks of this and that, but there is no evidence whatsoever of your allegations, and while i'm not blind enough to think that stuff doesn't happen, i'm also not willing to accept anything without evidence. You're saying there's several involved, but there would be several involved in nearly any investigation, and especially one of such magnitude would have extra members involved. Then, as i said, include the alleged suspect (wrongly in this case, error by Tulsa) and you have to be even more careful of the investigation, so it would take longer than normal.

    I think without anything else to prove it, jumping to the conclusion that this was an internal attack on a man who has been proven to be a liar (and also proven to be in the right, i'm not taking sides) is unsubstantiated. You can say you believe what you want, but without proof it's just words.


    I'll just leave this here so.


    the fact some members of the force have already testified that they were given orders to spread malicious rumours on McCabe to essentially destroy his good character, and possibly life.
    link
    Two senior gardaí have made statements under whistleblower legislation alleging that senior garda management conducted a major campaign to “destroy” a whistleblower within the force, writes Michael Clifford in the Irish Examiner.

    The “protected disclosures” of the two officers reference a campaign that included spreading false, scandalous, and damaging allegations against the whistleblower in question.
    The purpose of the campaign was to completely discredit the whistleblower to the extent of destroying his character.


    One of the two officers making the disclosure is admitting his role in the campaign to discredit the whistleblower, but claims he was following orders.
    The disclosures were made to the Department of Justice within the last week and will raise fresh questions about the treatment of whistleblowers within the force.

    **just following orders**
    • The disclosures detail a number of different strands to the campaign, which was conducted over a number of years.
      These include:
      * Generating hundreds of text messages which were disseminated among a large group of officers with the instructions to attack the whistleblower’s character;
      * The creation of an intelligence file on the whistleblower;
      * The deployment of an officer to monitor the activity of the whistleblower on Pulse, the Garda computer system;
      * The briefing of elements of the media about the whistleblower, laying emphasis on entirely false allegations about the whistleblower’s character;
      * The briefing of selected politicians in a similar vein.
      * The disclosures are understood to name individual officers as being central to the campaign, but a wide circle is understood to have been involved.


    Any one peddling the "clerical error" spiel, and believing it to have any truth behind it is either incredibly naive, or following orders themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭Microdot


    Its like rust, you can never repair it by giving it a paint over try to hide it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,134 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    The culture within the gardai and the organisations reputation is such that most people would be afraid to make a report to the ombudsman due to the perceived possibilities of reprocusions.

    If I had to make a complaint to the garda ombudsman, I wouldn't be in the least surprised if I found myself on the receiving end of a campaign of intimation.

    I totally agree. The Guards need a total overhaul. The next commissioner should be from outside Ireland & they should be allowed to appoint as many non Irish officers as they see fit. The intelligence service should be separate to the Guards & a new Police complaints authority created on the English model.

    The UK went through this years ago. To their credit they system is now very good. The commissioner would of been immediately suspended in the UK.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭Microdot


    Also there is two types of back handers in the An Garda Síochána.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭rangler1


    With this farce now plus the HSE revelations earlier in the week it's more like public disservice than public service.
    The private sector tax payer are getting poor value now....scandalous
    Short hours, generous holidays, generous pensions and this is how they serve us


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 68 ✭✭Banana Republican


    rangler1 wrote: »
    With this farce now plus the HSE revelations earlier in the week it's more like public disservice than public service.
    The private sector tax payer are getting poor value now....scandalous
    Short hours, generous holidays, generous pensions and this is how they serve us

    Thus always the way. Nothing has changed.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Who has short hours and generous holidays?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    I don't think it's a hugely corrupt orginisation but there's some very shocking instances that have gone unpunished. Before anyone says anything, getting suspended with full pension isn't punishment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,789 ✭✭✭Alf Stewart.


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I don't think it's a hugely corrupt orginisation but there's some very shocking instances that have gone unpunished. Before anyone says anything, getting suspended with full pension isn't punishment.

    No that's called a holiday.


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