Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

Noddy33 · 06-02-2017 09:57AM

Michael Kavanagh wrote: »

Was not able to go to the match listening to the half time report on rte radio according to the reporter he was saying that Michael Malone was going very well he was one to look out for. As regards James Maher you wonder did he come back to soon last year playing club.

Dont know what match that reporter was watching because Malone didnt do much to impress at all. Had one nice little flick pass in the first half nearly came off but other than that and bundling a few lads over he really more of a good club hurler standard. The full back line were def in bother and I am at my wits end as to try figure out what the solution is for full back.........Mick Walsh is strong but was sluggish at times and lacks pace. I thought Paul Murphy was good a centre back when played there and made some very good bursts out of defence and was always looking to delivery good ball into the forwards instead of aimlessly clearing. Richie H. looked very sharp even if he did over complicate things at times when trying to go for the sucker killer goal when probably bets option was to take the easy point. Jonjo was a real handful but other than that not too many of the other starting forwards made a big impression

brookville · 06-02-2017 10:18AM

Overall the walsh cup has being a usefull exercise especially for pat lyng and oillie walsh,both of them should start this weekend.
It looks like joey is going to be tried at corner back and lennon tried at full back for the moment anyway with murphy and fogarty on the half back line.
From what I heard on aylward he had a set back i think he rushed himself back for his club but should be back in a few months.Michael fennelly the same his determined to be back for the summer when we'll need everyone.
Colin fennelly has nose injury and he might be available for this weekend.tj also has a small injury that's why he wasn't available yesterday

droppingball · 06-02-2017 10:44AM

Full back line is the real worry at this point. Michael Walsh and Rob Lennon seem too slow on the turn whilst Joey was giving his man about five yard head start on a few occasions. Ollie Walsh, Joyce, Jonjo, Conor Fogarty and Eoin Murphy were the stand outs for me.

At times our half back line was getting dragged way to far out the field which is becoming a regular occurrence. Overall good to win the walsh cup and Cody as looked at a nice few players but definitely full back needed to be found during the league.

brookville · 06-02-2017 11:57AM

droppingball wrote: »

Full back line is the real worry at this point. Michael Walsh and Rob Lennon seem too slow on the turn whilst Joey was giving his man about five yard head start on a few occasions. Ollie Walsh, Joyce, Jonjo, Conor Fogarty and Eoin Murphy were the stand outs for me.

At times our half back line was getting dragged way to far out the field which is becoming a regular occurrence. Overall good to win the walsh cup and Cody as looked at a nice few players but definitely full back needed to be found during the league.

Id imagine when the management team sat down last year they have an idea who they have in mind for the few positions that need attention.
I'm surprised evan coady hasn't seen any walsh cup action.Conor delaney was playing college I'd like to see him play some league,are jason cleere and John walsh injured?

tbiggertycome · 06-02-2017 01:32PM

From what I've heard about injured lads
Colin Fennelly- may not see game time until March
Michael Fennelly- would be doing well to be back for the Championship
Ger Aylward- the last thing I heard about him was that he was flying in training a few weeks ago.
Jason Cleere- has a shoulder injury talk of possible surgery but hoping to avoid
James Maher- as anyone who was at either of the last to games just wasn't at the races, don't think he's fit enough or sharp enough yet and will need to put in a big shift to get back to where he was
TJ- just a niggle should be available
Wally- same as TJ
John Walsh- just don't think he's fit enough yet from what I heard.

Hawkeye6 · 06-02-2017 03:14PM

Full Back?
I think a lot of lads are over reacting to the Full Back situation. One lad is "at his wits end". Relax.. Too many lads living in the fantasy world of thinking Kilkenny can pick up another Noel Hickey or JJ Delaney in the short term. That is not going to happen in the near future, but it can happen again. In the short term, the decision is simply figure out the best available. Kilkenny are no different to any other county. Name the full back you would take from another county???
Other counties will either throw back a sweeper to cover in front of their full back or make do with what they have and try to outscore the opposition and that includes the current All-Ireland champions. The sweeper system is not working in the format used over the last number of years. (ask Waterford and Clare). I personally like the "make do" option and outscore, it brings entertaining attacking hurling. We have the players to trouble the "make do" full backs. Hence maybe why we've seen Wally in the FF position a bit lately. Anyway, for the sake of debate, what full back would you take from another county who will be playing in 2017 and will this person make a massive difference and how?

brookville · 06-02-2017 04:33PM

Hawkeye6 wrote: »

Full Back?
I think a lot of lads are over reacting to the Full Back situation. One lad is "at his wits end". Relax.. Too many lads living in the fantasy world of thinking Kilkenny can pick up another Noel Hickey or JJ Delaney in the short term. That is not going to happen in the near future, but it can happen again. In the short term, the decision is simply figure out the best available. Kilkenny are no different to any other county. Name the full back you would take from another county???
Other counties will either throw back a sweeper to cover in front of their full back or make do with what they have and try to outscore the opposition and that includes the current All-Ireland champions. The sweeper system is not working in the format used over the last number of years. (ask Waterford and Clare). I personally like the "make do" option and outscore, it brings entertaining attacking hurling. We have the players to trouble the "make do" full backs. Hence maybe why we've seen Wally in the FF position a bit lately. Anyway, for the sake of debate, what full back would you take from another county who will be playing in 2017 and will this person make a massive difference and how?

Good post above but I do think it's an issue.Joey only had one bad day at the office but he was never convincing and I think the management accept that and are trying him corner back now.it'll be interesting to see who's tried during the league,while lennon and walsh might go ok in these conditions I don't think there the anser.I wonder with fogarty being tried at half back could we c either buckley or padraig tried.
Daithi burke is probably the best full back in the country while his not the most stylish his tough and fast and doesn't give much away

Charlie69 · 06-02-2017 07:55PM

Hawkeye6 wrote: »

Full Back?
I think a lot of lads are over reacting to the Full Back situation. One lad is "at his wits end". Relax.. Too many lads living in the fantasy world of thinking Kilkenny can pick up another Noel Hickey or JJ Delaney in the short term. That is not going to happen in the near future, but it can happen again. In the short term, the decision is simply figure out the best available. Kilkenny are no different to any other county. Name the full back you would take from another county???
Other counties will either throw back a sweeper to cover in front of their full back or make do with what they have and try to outscore the opposition and that includes the current All-Ireland champions. The sweeper system is not working in the format used over the last number of years. (ask Waterford and Clare). I personally like the "make do" option and outscore, it brings entertaining attacking hurling. We have the players to trouble the "make do" full backs. Hence maybe why we've seen Wally in the FF position a bit lately. Anyway, for the sake of debate, what full back would you take from another county who will be playing in 2017 and will this person make a massive difference and how?

James Barry might not be the best full back in the history of Tipperary Hurling ( I think he does an excellent job by the way) but he doesn't have to play against Seamie Callanan.
Anyone we have available for the position at the moment are not up to that particular task imo.

Rasputin11 · 06-02-2017 09:03PM

Charlie69 wrote: »

James Barry might not be the best full back in the history of Tipperary Hurling ( I think he does an excellent job by the way) but he doesn't have to play against Seamie Callanan.
Anyone we have available for the position at the moment are not up to that particular task imo.

Callanan absolutely roasted him in the first half of a club game last summer, Barry couldn't get near him.

JJs Left Hand · 06-02-2017 09:08PM

Why are people still suggesting Bucks for full back.. And now I see Padraig being put forward.. The reason JJ worked back there was because he was a phenomenal defender with a pure hurling brain. He was a completely different hurler to Bucks or Padraig. They are athletic attacking half backs. Pure hurlers who if they ever move from the halfback line will move forward not back. Both would have to curb every instinct they have to play full back and it would not work. Joey is still our best full back.

The entire thing hinges on our midfield. They need to sit in midfield and not get dragged forward. Bucks and Padraig want to go forward. If the midfield drifts up the field then they step forward as well and we end up with an acre in front of the full back line. Midfield needs to sit and force our half back line to hesitate in moving up the field

brookville · 06-02-2017 09:50PM

Rasputin11 wrote: »

Callanan absolutely roasted him in the first half of a club game last summer, Barry couldn't get near him.

Infairness to callanan on his day with good ball his unmarkable.he clipped jj for 6 points from play in the 14 drawn game and he got 2-3 in the replay if memory serves me right.
I do agree that its highly unlikely that padraig or cillian will be moved positions when both have recent all stars but I don't think lennon or walsh are good enough for full back

Charlie69 · 06-02-2017 10:00PM

brookville wrote: »

Infairness to callanan on his day with good ball his unmarkable.he clipped jj for 6 points from play in the 14 drawn game and he got 2-3 in the replay if memory serves me right.
I do agree that its highly unlikely that padraig or cillian will be moved positions when both have recent all stars but I don't think lennon or walsh are good enough for full back

That's true .... there's not a defender in the country could hold Callanan in that kind of form.

Charlie69 · 06-02-2017 10:01PM

brookville wrote: »

Infairness to callanan on his day with good ball his unmarkable.he clipped jj for 6 points from play in the 14 drawn game and he got 2-3 in the replay if memory serves me right.
I do agree that its highly unlikely that padraig or cillian will be moved positions when both have recent all stars but I don't think lennon or walsh are good enough for full back

That's true .... there's not a defender in the country could hold Callanan in that kind of form.

ttowncat · 06-02-2017 10:14PM

While there are not many full backs out there that we could "transfer in" that'd be any better than what we have (daithi burke was the best out there last while Richie McCarthy gave jj a good run for the all star in '14) the real question is are there any full forwards out there that are as good as seamus Callanan at the moment? JJ Delaney was arguably one of the best hurlers our County ever produced and he could just about handle callanan(callanan 2014 onwards) He is faster than his stride looks, great feet and can shoot off the back foot with ease, strong to break through, strong in the air and a deadly finisher.. any full back's nightmare! While he has become a stronger ball winner in recent years (Noel McGrath used to joke that he couldn't win his own ball) he still fancies the perfect ball. Well he got that in buckets in last years final and if we had Colin or tj receiving the same space and passes then they would have made hay too. Tipp midfielders and defenders were obsessed with having a man coming out fast from defence with the opportunity to look up and give the perfect pass to to forwards who were at times dummy running one way and pointing the other and having it delivered perfectly. They were caught out once using this tactic against Galway in semi when Joseph cooney intercepted some inter back play to run in and score Galway's second goal. I think our corner forwards need to work more outside the 45 to force tipp to sky the ball down the field along with the half backs staying back with possibly a midfielder staying deeper to mind Joyce and Joey

I agree that joey stands off a yard too far but he can't follow callanan everywhere as he has to maintain a presence on the 14 as tipp or anyone could be one break or runner straight in for goal...

Fort Stranger · 06-02-2017 10:22PM

Daithi Burke did a fair ould job on Callinan in the semi final so he can be marked

dubcat51 · 06-02-2017 10:57PM

Look up to the final last year joyce walsh and buckley had never finished on a losing team where all 3 started.joey will still do for me until we find a better option.not having mick fennelly was huge last september.anybody who witnessed his display in the semi final replay knows that.we dont need major surgery just a stich here and there.

brookville · 07-02-2017 01:37AM

http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/sport/234039/kilkenny-without-top-talent-for-waterford-tie.html

With a few players out it will give some fringe players a great opportunity to try stake a claim.

tbiggertycome · 07-02-2017 06:44PM

I know I've said it before on here and most disagree but I think our answer to FB is Kieran Joyce.

The starting team I'd like to see start Sunday

E Murphy
P Murphy, K Joyce, R Reid
P Walsh, J Holden, C Buckley
O Walsh, C Fogarty
P Lyng, TJ Reid, R Hogan
L Blanchfield, JJ Farrell, R Leahy

A Murphy
M Walsh
S Prendergast
R Lennon
C O'Shea
E Cody
C Delaney
L Ryan
M Bergin
C Bolger
S Morrissey
J Maher
J Walsh (if fit)
J Cleere (if fit)
J Lyng (if fit)

With Cody confirming yesterday that these lads won't make Sunday
M Fennelly is out for a few months
C Fennelly out for a few weeks nose surgery to correct breathing complaint
G Aylward is going well but still rusty
Wally hamstring niggle
K Kelly hamstring niggle

Thats 4 first choice players (my 1st choice btw) missing but gives lads plenty of chance to play themselves onto the team

Charlie69 · 07-02-2017 07:27PM

tbiggertycome wrote: »

I know I've said it before on here and most disagree but I think our answer to FB is Kieran Joyce.

The starting team I'd like to see start Sunday

E Murphy
P Murphy, K Joyce, R Reid
P Walsh, J Holden, C Buckley
O Walsh, C Fogarty
P Lyng, TJ Reid, R Hogan
L Blanchfield, JJ Farrell, R Leahy

A Murphy
M Walsh
S Prendergast
R Lennon
C O'Shea
E Cody
C Delaney
L Ryan
M Bergin
C Bolger
S Morrissey
J Maher
J Walsh (if fit)
J Cleere (if fit)
J Lyng (if fit)

With Cody confirming yesterday that these lads won't make Sunday
M Fennelly is out for a few months
C Fennelly out for a few weeks nose surgery to correct breathing complaint
G Aylward is going well but still rusty
Wally hamstring niggle
K Kelly hamstring niggle

Thats 4 first choice players (my 1st choice btw) missing but gives lads plenty of chance to play themselves onto the team

Joyce was very good at full back at under 21 level, certainly worth a try.
He got roasted at full back by callanan in Nowlan park a couple of years ago but that was one week after the Rower had won the All-Ireland and he was still recovering from the celebrations I'd imagine.

brookville · 07-02-2017 10:16PM

tbiggertycome wrote: »

I know I've said it before on here and most disagree but I think our answer to FB is Kieran Joyce.

The starting team I'd like to see start Sunday

E Murphy
P Murphy, K Joyce, R Reid
P Walsh, J Holden, C Buckley
O Walsh, C Fogarty
P Lyng, TJ Reid, R Hogan
L Blanchfield, JJ Farrell, R Leahy

A Murphy
M Walsh
S Prendergast
R Lennon
C O'Shea
E Cody
C Delaney
L Ryan
M Bergin
C Bolger
S Morrissey
J Maher
J Walsh (if fit)
J Cleere (if fit)
J Lyng (if fit)

With Cody confirming yesterday that these lads won't make Sunday
M Fennelly is out for a few months
C Fennelly out for a few weeks nose surgery to correct breathing complaint
G Aylward is going well but still rusty
Wally hamstring niggle
K Kelly hamstring niggle

Thats 4 first choice players (my 1st choice btw) missing but gives lads plenty of chance to play themselves onto the team

Going by the walsh cup it looks like joey will be tried corner back and paul murphy and fogarty on the hbl,I think cillian is also out for sunday
Oillie walsh deserves a go at midfield while pat lyng impressed most for the newcomers during the walsh cup.i expect the team to something along the lines of murphy,
joey,lennon,padraig
joyce,murphy,fogarty
oillie,lester
leahy,lyng,tj
blanchfield,farrell,hogan

minty81 · 09-02-2017 09:36PM

I think Joyce would be an excellent old style full back i.e he would have thrived there 12+ years ago.
But the game has changed, forwards more than ever are trying to create space. There aren't many big men full forwards anymore who just stand on the edge of the square for 70 mins. So full and corner backs need to be mobile. Joyce just doesn't fit the bill in that regard.
The most natural full back in the county is John Dalton but sadly that ship has sailed.
I suspect Joey will be there again come summer

tbiggertycome · 10-02-2017 03:48PM

I've heard Joyce is doing private training to improve his mobility, if last week was anything to go by it's starting to work for him.

brookville · 10-02-2017 06:11PM

tbiggertycome wrote: »

I've heard Joyce is doing private training to improve his mobility, if last week was anything to go by it's starting to work for him.

Happy to hear this as he probably has a point to prove after last year being dropped for the waterford replay and taken off in the final granted he wasn't our worst defender.

dubcat51 · 10-02-2017 07:17PM

Ike joyce,whole hearted player.if hes doing xtra to improve great for him.u17s playing waterford at 11.30 on sunday in james park before the league game.

Cornerback1 · 10-02-2017 09:45PM

Team announced for Sunday:

E Murphy
J Holden P Walsh C O Shea
P Murphy K Joyce C Buckley
O Walsh C Fogarty
P Lyng TJ Reid S Morrissey
JJ Farrell L Blanchfield R Hogan

Subs R Reid R Lennon M Walsh S Prendergast E Cody L Ryan P Deegan C Martin R Leahy W Walsh A Murphy

brookville · 10-02-2017 10:21PM

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Team announced for Sunday:

E Murphy
J Holden P Walsh C O Shea
P Murphy K Joyce C Buckley
O Walsh C Fogarty
P Lyng TJ Reid S Morrissey
JJ Farrell L Blanchfield R Hogan

Subs R Reid R Lennon M Walsh S Prendergast E Cody L Ryan P Deegan C Martin R Leahy W Walsh A Murphy

Padraig walsh full back i said it a few pages back that himself or bucks could tried at 3.it's going to be interesting to see how this goes but certainly worth a try

Realt Dearg Sec · 10-02-2017 10:37PM

Now that's an interesting team. Odd that Leahy isn't getting a run, did someone say he's been injured or something? Anyway it'll be interesting to see how Walsh gets on at full back if they play him there alright. Also Ollie Walsh at midfield, hope he can eke out a place on the team for the future.

JJs Left Hand · 10-02-2017 10:49PM

I presume Murphy will move back there and PW will move to the wing.

brookville · 10-02-2017 10:50PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Now that's an interesting team. Odd that Leahy isn't getting a run, did someone say he's been injured or something? Anyway it'll be interesting to see how Walsh gets on at full back if they play him there alright. Also Ollie Walsh at midfield, hope he can eke out a place on the team for the future.

Leahy will get his chance,hopefully the new lads go well sunday.I'm surprised scanlon not on the panel he could be injured,james maher not on the panel either he'll probably have to get fitter

brookville · 10-02-2017 10:54PM

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

I presume Murphy will move back there and PW will move to the wing.

Murphy will hardy want to go to 3 it didn't work out in 2015.I'd say he'll try padraig for a game or two to see if it's an option?

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