Scotland vs Ireland, 4th Feb 2017, Murrayfield, 2:25, RTÉ 2

ArielAtom · 04-02-2017 10:02PM

OK, held fire until now. Heaslip, O'Brien and Ears looked good. Stander delivered two knock ons when we were 1 point up!!! All told we were not at the races

mansize · 04-02-2017 10:08PM

In GLA feeling rotten.

Fair play to the scots tho

Bazzo · 04-02-2017 10:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

He picked up a kick chase with more than enough time to get rid of it and ended up in touch. Great player going forward but he has weaknesses that Sexton would have exploited.

I am firmly of the opinion that half of his performance today was us making him look good.

Nah, sorry Venjur, disagree with you here. When it's every single team he plays "making him look good", at some point you just have to come to the conclusion that it's him making them look bad.

mansize · 04-02-2017 10:12PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

mfceiling wrote: »

I'd say if Joe squatted in front of you and shìt a gold bar at your feet you'd hand it back to him and tell him there's a smell of shìt from it.

Last year we beat SA in SA for the first time ever. We beat NZ for the first time ever and followed it up with a victory against the Wallabies. What more could Joe do?

Win two six nations on the trot maybe ?

Either I missed the sarcasm, but he did do that

04-02-2017 10:13PM

Bazzo wrote: »

Nah, sorry Venjur, disagree with you here. When it's every single team he plays "making him look good", at some point you just have to come to the conclusion that it's him making them look bad.

Its not every single team though and he regularly gets poor press for his positioning and ability to clear.

He's a great player but our defence was narrow and he did well with the space offered for one of the tries.

aled · 04-02-2017 10:15PM

mfceiling wrote: »

I'd say if Joe squatted in front of you and shìt a gold bar at your feet you'd hand it back to him and tell him there's a smell of shìt from it.

Last year we beat SA in SA for the first time ever. We beat NZ for the first time ever and followed it up with a victory against the Wallabies. What more could Joe do?

options mfeceijling, rather than criticique

mfceiling · 04-02-2017 10:25PM

aled wrote: »

options mfeceijling, rather than criticique

OK...what options?

shootermacg · 04-02-2017 10:28PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

Stander delivered two knock ons when we were 1 point up!!! All told we were not at the races

It doesn't help that CJ has now played a really long string of tough games with Munster and should be taking a rest. I've noticed a little fatigue setting in for the Munster forwards.

Donnacha Ryan needs to start, he's been a dog at the set piece and breakdown this season and, is starting to hit some serious form of late.

Scannell would have been a serious carrier in the last 20 minutes if he'd been allowed to play, an absolute bear of a man.

CMOTDibbler · 04-02-2017 10:29PM

mfceiling wrote: »

OK...what options?

I think I'd prefer the criticique. It sounds intrigueique.

CMOTDibbler · 04-02-2017 10:41PM

Btw, serious props to Johnny Gray. He only carried eight metres in fourteen attempts and he missed two tackles.

But he made twenty-eight tackles. 28! That's absolutely insane. :eek:

aled · 04-02-2017 10:42PM

mfceiling wrote: »

I'd say if Joe squatted in front of you and shìt a gold bar at your feet you'd hand it back to him and tell him there's a smell of shìt from it.

Last year we beat SA in SA for the first time ever. We beat NZ for the first time ever and followed it up with a victory against the Wallabies. What more could Joe do?

i think you get me wrong, simply time to move on

Mahatma Geansai · 04-02-2017 10:46PM

Hagz wrote: »

He missed him alright. But there was no step involved. Hogg didn't beat a defender for that try, the ball did. Ringrose shot up to hit Maitland but Russell threw a skip pass to Hogg that fell short. Ringrose adjusted his run to try and get to the ball, but as it bounced he slipped and it went into Hogg's hands who simply ran straight, unopposed.

Ringrose was too narrow and was caught ball watching just as he was for the second try. Going for the intercept was a decent idea but his execution was terrible. He's still some way off defensively as a 13 at this level.

aled · 04-02-2017 10:53PM

mfceiling wrote: »

OK...what options?

I'm a huge Tiernan fan. But honestly Joe really needs to work out this stuff. It was chaotic everywhere. Joe is absolutely responsible for this rubbish

The Rape of Lucretia · 04-02-2017 10:59PM

aled wrote: »

I'm a huge Tiernan fan. But honestly Joe really needs to work out this stuff.

To be fair, Joe may not even know you, let alone that you are a huge Tiernan fan, and that somehow may be relevant to Joe.
Still, you've stated in clearly now, so he knows.

aled · 04-02-2017 11:01PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

To be fair, Joe may not even know you, let alone that you are a huge Tiernan fan, and that somehow may be relevant to Joe.
Still, you've stated in clearly now, so he knows.

you are bothersome

CMOTDibbler · 04-02-2017 11:09PM

aled wrote: »

you are bothersome

A bit rich coming from the guy who responded to the same post twice. :rolleyes:

shuffol · 04-02-2017 11:10PM

Mahatma Geansai wrote: »

Ringrose was too narrow and was caught ball watching just as he was for the second try. Going for the intercept was a decent idea but his execution was terrible. He's still some way off defensively as a 13 at this level.

Your definitely wrong on the 2nd try as Ringrose was one of those closest to the ruck with many players outside him. The defence was just too narrow, I'd put responsibility with Earls for not communicating with those inside him.

aled · 04-02-2017 11:12PM

Its really hard to address that performance So what would you change. I am going to be really aggressive and say Joe. Game strategy sucked and Tommy Bowe, Come on Joe

Thanos · 04-02-2017 11:12PM

Mahatma Geansai wrote: »

Ringrose was too narrow and was caught ball watching just as he was for the second try. Going for the intercept was a decent idea but his execution was terrible. He's still some way off defensively as a 13 at this level.

He may have been but he is young and still learning, the number of time he did read it right and got the tackle in out ways his mistakes and as most of us are looking to the future I think he can be forgiven a few learning mistakes.

Hagz · 04-02-2017 11:23PM

Mahatma Geansai wrote: »

Ringrose was too narrow and was caught ball watching just as he was for the second try. Going for the intercept was a decent idea but his execution was terrible. He's still some way off defensively as a 13 at this level.

He didn't go for the intercept.

I illustrated what happened.... It was a 3 v 1 with Maitland, Hogg and Seymour up against Ringrose. Ringrose rushed up to get man and ball on Maitland but Russell attempted to throw a long pass to Hogg. The ball didn’t have enough on it and fell short. Ringrose then reacted as most players do to a dropped ball by trying to be the first to it. Unfortunately the bounce of the ball beat him and he slipped trying to re-adjust and Hogg caught it and ran in. The ONLY criticism you could have of Ringrose in that situation is that instead he should have stood off the bouncing ball and waited for Hogg to gather it and tackle him. In which case it’s still a 2 v 1 as Hogg had Seymour outside him.

Seriously, if a coach had paused that situation before the pass goes, Ringrose would be told to shoot on Maitland and try to get man and ball. What other option is there? Hang off? This is international rugby. You hang off on a 3 v 1, and it's a try. Ringrose should only have held off if he believed the Scottish backs were so inept that they couldn't pull off a simple 3 v 1.

The real criticism is the 5 Irish players piled up on the blindside with just Alex Dunbar out there. Actually, you brought up ball watching. You're completely on the money that there was ball watching, but it wasn't Ringrose. Dunbar and Maitland were on the blindside, with Stander, Kearney, Jackson, Earls and Zebo lining that side of the defence. All of them are ball watching. Maitland spots it and sweeps round to the openside creating the 3 v 1. By the time Zebo and Kearney see there is no Maitland, it's too late.

Mahatma Geansai · 04-02-2017 11:32PM

Hagz wrote: »

He didn't go for the intercept.

Then why did he decide to run at the space inside Hogg?

Mahatma Geansai · 04-02-2017 11:34PM

shuffol wrote: »

Your definitely wrong on the 2nd try as Ringrose was one of those closest to the ruck with many players outside him. The defence was just too narrow, I'd put responsibility with Earls for not communicating with those inside him.

I'll watch it again, but Ringrose was the player directly inside Earl's from what I remember. He was narrow and cut in towards the carrier leaving Earls in too much space.

shuffol · 04-02-2017 11:37PM

Looking back at the Heaslip offload to Maitland, Murray had a simple pass Zebo to his left before that with a good chance of making the corner which looked like the better option

04-02-2017 11:38PM

aled wrote: »

Its really hard to address that performance So what would you change. I am going to be really aggressive and say Joe. Game strategy sucked and Tommy Bowe, Come on Joe

How did it take me until this post to cop who you are...

This post doesn't make an ounce of sense. Good luck until next time!

CatFromHue · 04-02-2017 11:39PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dzEHSZ4_Q4

Ringrose was in close to the ruck and then covered across.

It looks like PJ was inside Earls, with Henderson inside PJ.

Scotland didn't have to work hard for that try.

.ak · 04-02-2017 11:42PM

Christ on second viewing that is awful, awful from Earls. He steps off his tackle - why? Push up and make the hit and that's not a try.

Hagz · 04-02-2017 11:42PM

Mahatma Geansai wrote: »

Then why did he decide to run at the space inside Hogg?

Re-edited my post. Ball watching from the blindside defensive line. Maitland sweeps round creating the 3 v 1.

Why did he decide to run at the space inside Hogg? Because the ball was on the ground inside Hogg....
You phrased it as though Ringrose made the decision to go for an intercept. Reacting to a dropped ball and going for an intercept are two different things. Please lets not pretend they aren't.

shuffol · 04-02-2017 11:42PM

Mahatma Geansai wrote: »

I'll watch it again, but Ringrose was the player directly inside Earl's from what I remember. He was narrow and cut in towards the carrier leaving Earls in too much space.

He most certainly wasn't as that was my first instinct watching it but remember on replay seeing he was nearest to the previous ruck with 4 players outside him. Looking back now fault definitely lies with Earls as he was much too narrow.

Hagz · 04-02-2017 11:45PM

.ak wrote: »

Christ on second viewing that is awful, awful from Earls. He steps off his tackle - why? Push up and make the hit and that's not a try.

In fairness there are others who have to shoulder the blame as well. Why didn't Jackson push out? Henderson had Seymour. Or perhaps the call didn't come inside Jackson. Maybe it was a complete communication breakdown.

04-02-2017 11:48PM

.ak wrote: »

Christ on second viewing that is awful, awful from Earls. He steps off his tackle - why? Push up and make the hit and that's not a try.

I've never been so glad Keith Earls isn't Dave Kearney in my life

Scotland vs Ireland, 4th Feb 2017, Murrayfield, 2:25, RTÉ 2

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