Dairy chit chat II

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

By drawing you mean wage and loans ?

No by drawings I mean wages living expenses diesel for family car etc

Excluding bank repayments

Fair play Stan for the ms output but just on my own figures
You sent 144 kgs ms/cow more than me
But you fed 1t per cow more

Kg ms for year worth about 3.10€?
Leaves you at 446€/cow over me
1t of meal 350€

Not a whole lot in the difference bewteeen the 2 herds when you account for the purchase price of FTY for parlour

Herd also 50% 1st and 2nd lactation here. They'll be back up to a 530 kg herd within the next few years I'd imagine off the same 700kgs of meal

kowtow wrote: »

Stan / GrasstoMilk is it feasible to break down the MS or sales per Full Time labour unit to add to the comparison?

And kgms/ha aswell.
(Very interesting figures)

stanflt wrote: »

Cows fed 1.68 ton last yr with a feed cost of 5.4 cpl based on sold milk only

285 days at grass

4ton dm grass fed per cow roughly.

Wouldn't consider it high input winter herd as all cows just fed to their dm intake requirements- spring calvers get same feeding regime as winter millers as feed is fed thru feed to yield in parlour

Output including stock sales over 40 cpl in 2016

Drawing of 120k on 140 cows last yr

Draw your own conclusions from the above

120k for wages, house and diesel for car from 140 cows

All bank payments land rental, variable and fixed costs from 140 cows also?

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Fair play Stan for the ms output but just on my own figures
You sent 144 kgs ms/cow more than me
But you fed 1t per cow more

Kg ms for year worth about 3.10€?
Leaves you at 446€/cow over me
1t of meal 350€

Not a whole lot in the difference bewteeen the 2 herds when you account for the purchase price of FTY for parlour

Herd also 50% 1st and 2nd lactation here. They'll be back up to a 530 kg herd within the next few years I'd imagine off the same 700kgs of meal

You need to go back to maths lesson gg
Remember cost and output is based on litres not solids so if you did -480 kgs that's about 5900 litres sold per cow - say your gross output for last year was 34 cpl and realistic costs of 24cpl that leaves you with 590 euro per cow

Now take the 8000 litre with say for arguments sake I base my gross output on 34 to leave me similar output figure to your so that would leave me with 800 profit per cow

800 minus 590 is 210 more profit per cow not the 94 you stated above

210 multiple by 140 is an extra 30k per annum

Now add the stock sales and really see the difference

Ps my figure is well below 24 without labour included

stanflt wrote: »

Yeah 30k on land rent alone

Remember 8000litrea sold per cow at 40cpl gross output

24cpl total cost

Volume pays when you have control of your inputs

24c per litre total cost? Is this your break even price i.e. If you get less you're losing money. Does this include every cost inc drawings

stanflt wrote: »

You need to go back to maths lesson gg
Remember cost and output is based on litres not solids so if you did -480 kgs that's about 5900 litres sold per cow - say your gross output for last year was 34 cpl and realistic costs of 24cpl that leaves you with 590 euro per cow

Now take the 8000 litre with say for arguments sake I base my gross output on 34 to leave me similar output figure to your so that would leave me with 800 profit per cow

800 minus 590 is 210 more profit per cow not the 94 you stated above

210 multiple by 140 is an extra 30k per annum

Now add the stock sales and really see the difference

Ps my figure is well below 24 without labour included

Go back and read my previous post. I was comparing your output per cow in ms terms vs meal fed and what was left after the meal feeding over mine.
While you may have had the output you needed to buy it to get it out of them.
No matter what way you dress it up our kgs of ms are still worth the same. You need the litres to get the MS and you'd need to buy the feed to get the litres

stanflt wrote: »

Your still missing the point
The extra meal feeding is resulting is costs being diluted which is resulting in 210 euro profit more per cow than just the 94 as you suggest


Work your feed from forage figure out mine are getting slightly more from it

Ps you never sent me a photo of your report so we can't really compare when fact is vs fiction!!!!!

I did

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

stanflt wrote: »

You need to go back to maths lesson gg
Remember cost and output is based on litres not solids so if you did -480 kgs that's about 5900 litres sold per cow - say your gross output for last year was 34 cpl and realistic costs of 24cpl that leaves you with 590 euro per cow

Now take the 8000 litre with say for arguments sake I base my gross output on 34 to leave me similar output figure to your so that would leave me with 800 profit per cow

800 minus 590 is 210 more profit per cow not the 94 you stated above

210 multiple by 140 is an extra 30k per annum

Now add the stock sales and really see the difference

Ps my figure is well below 24 without labour included

Go back and read my previous post. I was comparing your output per cow in ms terms vs meal fed and what was left after the meal feeding over mine.
While you may have had the output you needed to buy it to get it out of them.
No matter what way you dress it up our kgs of ms are still worth the same. You need the litres to get the MS and you'd need to buy the feed to get the litres

With feed cheap and a top quality 16% nut probably working out at 255 ton for 2017 if you pump out 7500 litres plus of 1.5 ton meal/grazed grass pushin out 600 kgs of solids your going to be generating a nice wad of cash, say a base price of 30 cent for the year would mean at 4bf 3.5pr% you'd be looking at 32.5 cent litre x 7500 litres means your pushing out just on 2450 euro a cow in milk, after the mill has been payed you still have over 2 grand to play with

Signpost wrote: »

At a dairy clearance sale today. Nice cows (not huge EBI) with good solids, average was 1500 gallons, 3.92 Fat, 3.47 Protein, SCC 67 & mostly young cows.
Anything you'd really want to bring home was starting at 1500, mostly around 1600 + thou with one maiden going for 1710. Was there to buy but couldn't justify it animals which were to Polly or stock bull FR. What way are prices around the rest of land?

1500 should be minimum price that lads consider for selling heifers as that is what it costs to get them to parlour for most

Timmaay wrote: »

Pm done finally. 1st year I've properly paid myself. Between all drawings, like for my dad also they come to 10c/l. Sobering enough that they are that high, anyone calling likes of 20c/l their cost of production must love beans on toast every day of the week ha.

Did you draw more than you spent i.e. Was your salary more or less than you required

stanflt wrote: »

Cows fed 1.68 ton last yr with a feed cost of 5.4 cpl based on sold milk only

285 days at grass

4ton dm grass fed per cow roughly.

Wouldn't consider it high input winter herd as all cows just fed to their dm intake requirements- spring calvers get same feeding regime as winter millers as feed is fed thru feed to yield in parlour

Output including stock sales over 40 cpl in 2016

Drawing of 120k on 140 cows last yr

Draw your own conclusions from the above

You must have serious stock sales, 30.9cpl on your report and you are saying over 40cpl including stock sales
THats amounts to around 110K stock sales unless i have f*cked up my maths....COYBIG
Any nice heifer calves for sale

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Did you draw more than you spent i.e. Was your salary more or less than you required

I quite like beans on toast. And no family yet. And some properties can earn you a 15% roi.

jack o shea wrote: »

The wind and rain today will be a big blow to the muppets in the race to be on the front page of the journal with the cows out this Thursday, or were they on it last Week?

Mine were out and back in just before rain Arrived at 11.30 .be back out again after milking till 9 tonight .not arsed with been on front page of anything ,but am arsed setting my farm up for year and taking any chance to get grass into cows jack