Any recommendations for Smartlocks for front doors?

reni10 · 08-11-2016 12:09PM #1

I know there are quiet a few Smartlocks like Lockitron, August etc but they all seem to be geared towards fitting over an existing thumb lock which my experience is not something we have many of in Ireland!

Are there any others out there more suited to the Irish doors and are available for around the €100 mark?

Caillte · 08-11-2016 12:15PM

Yale have a good offering. However my personal opinion on smart lock while very cool and handy is that they would be more susceptible to hacking/cracking.

ted1 · 08-11-2016 01:37PM

Caillte wrote: »

Yale have a good offering. However my personal opinion on smart lock while very cool and handy is that they would be more susceptible to hacking/cracking.

Are hackers really they type that burgle houses?

08-11-2016 01:41PM

ted1 wrote: »

Are hackers really they type that burgle houses?

No, but they are the type to mess around with things, find a vulnerability and report it. Then the type of people who do burgle houses use the vulnerability to gain entry.

Caillte · 08-11-2016 01:48PM

ted1 wrote: »

Are hackers really they type that burgle houses?

Just look at theft of cars and how they were hacked/cracked... Plus would you property be insured using these devices?

ted1 · 08-11-2016 02:32PM

Caillte wrote: »

Just look at theft of cars and how they were hacked/cracked... Plus would you property be insured using these devices?

Yes it would. Tell me more about car theft, be cause most robberies from cars are smash and grabs.

Unless your house has wheels I wouldn't worry about house theft.

insurance is always a great thing that people throw out in conversations and then walk away and leave it open.

well a quick Google verifies that it doesn't affect your insurance:

https://www.directline.com/home-insurance/home-and-garden/what-are-smart-locks

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As it stands they don’t currently affect your home insurance as long as they work in conjunction with a mortice deadlock, your front door will be considered just as secure as a standard key-operated lock.
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Graham · 08-11-2016 02:55PM

ted1 wrote: »

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As it stands they don’t currently affect your home insurance as long as they work in conjunction with a mortice deadlock, your front door will be considered just as secure as a standard key-operated lock.
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Having an additional mortice deadlock in order to satisfy your insurance would rather defeat the purpose of a smart lock.

I don't think it's a case that a smart lock invalidates your insurance, it's the lack of an approved lock that's the issue.

OP, I think Danalock have a Eurocylinder product which might suit your lock (but not your budget).

ED E · 08-11-2016 02:58PM

ted1 wrote: »

Yes it would. Tell me more about car theft, be cause most robberies from cars are smash and grabs.

Thieves have used high gain antennas to repeat the beacon on smart fobs for modern German cars. This is very defcon and not very Jimmy with a crowbar.

All it takes is some entrepreneur to find an exploit and stick a device on Alibaba.

ted1 · 08-11-2016 03:06PM

Graham wrote: »

Having an additional mortice deadlock in order to satisfy your insurance would rather defeat the purpose of a smart lock.

I don't think it's a case that a smart lock invalidates your insurance, it's the lack of an approved lock that's the issue.

OP, I think Danalock have a Eurocylinder product which might suit your lock (but not your budget).

having a mortice lock is a current requirement for insurance.....

Graham · 08-11-2016 03:08PM

ted1 wrote: »

having a mortice lock is a current requirement for insurance.....

Correct

Which essentially means the insurance requirements make a smart lock pretty pointless.

ted1 · 08-11-2016 03:52PM

Graham wrote: »

Correct

Which essentially means the insurance requirements make a smart lock pretty pointless.

Not really, we have a mortice we tend to only use it when going away for an extended period.

Having a smart Lock will make no difference to our insurance.

Graham · 08-11-2016 03:57PM

ted1 wrote: »

Not really, we have a mortice we tend to only use it when going away for an extended period.

That sounds like an invitation to have a claim rejected.

ted1 wrote: »

Having a smart Lock will make no difference to our insurance.

Agreed (see previous posts) but not having/using an approved lock will.

Stoner · 08-11-2016 05:11PM

ted1 wrote:

Yes it would. Tell me more about car theft, be cause most robberies from cars are smash and grabs.

My car was broken into a year ago. They jammed the signal from my remote to lock it with a box left in a hedge
My intruder alarm picked it up.

Stoner · 08-11-2016 05:13PM

Is it not a 3 point turning lock you need ?
And could the smart lock not meet the insurance company's requirements?

Graham · 08-11-2016 05:50PM

Maybe I'm being overly cautious but I went digging a few months ago to see if we could use a smart lock instead of driving up and down the country twice a week to let tradesmen into a house. My interpretation is a smart lock alone wouldn't meet the policy conditions.

Taken directly from policy notes, probably goes into more detail in the policy itself.

MINIMUM SECURITY REQUIREMENTS CONDITION
It is a condition precedent of liability under the Policy that:
1. the Home is fitted with the following security devices:
(i) All external doors are fitted with mortice deadlocks or deadlocking rim latches.
(ii) All French doors and/or patio doors are fitted with appropriate security locks.
2. whenever the Home is left unattended
(i) All doors and windows are closed and fastened
(ii) All door locks as stated above are in full and effective operation
(iii) All keys are removed from locks and kept in a secure place

FWIW I'd be delighted to be wrong and have the insurers confirm they're happy to cover a house secured by a smart lock alone.

ted1 · 08-11-2016 07:45PM

Stoner wrote: »

Is in not a 3 point turning lock you need ?
And could the smart lock not meet the insurance company's requirements?

They may do, the Yale Linus has been coming for a while. Could be part of the delay.

AndyBoBandy · 08-11-2016 08:41PM

For me the one area where I doubt I'd ever go smart would be a main door lock,

I'll smarten everything up inside the house, but on the outside, I put my trust into good old fashioned locks!

I will also admit though that I know feck all about smart locks!

How are they unlocked? Mobile device? I assume they need a power supply? Would they have a battery for redundancy? How long would it last?

Graham · 08-11-2016 10:51PM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

How are they unlocked? Mobile device? I assume they need a power supply? Would they have a battery for redundancy? How long would it last?

There's battery and transformer/mains varieties available.

For the most part unlocking is via a mobile app locally or remotely, a few can be operated by a keyfob.

Some have battery backups, or touch points where a battery can be held to power temporarily others have a key override.

AndyBoBandy · 09-11-2016 08:13AM

Graham wrote: »

For the most part unlocking is via a mobile app locally or remotely

What if you lose your phone, or the phone battery dies?

Is there any sort of back up for that scenario?

jimmy_t · 09-11-2016 08:35AM

This system looks like it could be automated, it includes a deadbolt, standard key option if power fails and complies to EN standards. It would require a new door installation of course. Internorm offer it with their doors. Thoughts?

http://www.winkhaus.com/en/door-locking-system/motorised-door-locking-system/bluemotion

Stoner · 09-11-2016 09:40AM

Looks great the finger print reader would be great to keep kids in

Graham · 09-11-2016 10:02AM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Is there any sort of back up for that scenario?

Key or key code (pin number) for some of them.

Most of the products currently on the market have an alternative unlock scenario.

beanian · 09-11-2016 11:54AM

I really want this Z-Wave lock.
http://www.vesternet.com/yale-smart-living-keyfree-connected-smart-lock-3146

It works with the multi point locks common in uPVC doors in Ireland, the type you have to pull the handle up on to lock.

However after contacting several suppliers none of them will ship to Ireland as it requires professional installation. :mad::mad:

Graham · 09-11-2016 12:05PM

beanian wrote: »

I really want this Z-Wave lock.
http://www.vesternet.com/yale-smart-living-keyfree-connected-smart-lock-3146

It works with the multi point locks common in uPVC doors in Ireland, the type you have to pull the handle up on to lock.

However after contacting several suppliers none of them will ship to Ireland as it requires professional installation. :mad::mad:

eBay is worth a look, only place we could find them when we were thinking about it.

beanian · 09-11-2016 02:14PM

Graham wrote: »

eBay is worth a look, only place we could find them when we were thinking about it.

Did you get one in the end?

Graham · 09-11-2016 02:18PM

beanian wrote: »

Did you get one in the end?

Decided against it when it looked like it wouldn't be enough to satisfy the insurance company without an accompanying manual lock.

sharkman · 01-02-2017 11:45AM

Graham wrote: »

Decided against it when it looked like it wouldn't be enough to satisfy the insurance company without an accompanying manual lock.

I got mine through Oval Aluminium ( http://oval.ie/) when I was getting my new front door . Passed insurance inspection.

PATJOE · 01-02-2017 07:08PM

What type do oval install?
Any pics?

sharkman · 02-02-2017 12:54PM

PATJOE wrote: »

What type do oval install?
Any pics?

When you say what type , do you mean door or lock . Perhaps PM me your contact details and I'll get in touch .

ted1 · 02-02-2017 01:19PM

sharkman wrote: »

When you say what type , do you mean door or lock . Perhaps PM me your contact details and I'll get in touch .

Why the secret ? Why not just what brand and model it is.

sharkman · 02-02-2017 01:26PM

ted1 wrote: »

Why the secret ? Why not just what brand and model it is.

No secret Ted , as the conversation was about the Yale lock I would have thought it obvious .

Any recommendations for Smartlocks for front doors?

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