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Doge · 27-01-2017 06:34AM

Also while watching a longplay of Kenseiden for the Master System I can now see where The Revenge Of Shinobi inherited it's level design and art from for the first Area:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEp-eODfYcA

Doge · 27-01-2017 06:57AM

Amazing eye candy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcJ1Jvtef0

Retr0gamer · 27-01-2017 11:22AM

Doge wrote: »

Also while watching a longplay of Kenseiden for the Master System I can now see where The Revenge Of Shinobi inherited it's level design and art from for the first Area

I don't really think Revenge of Shinobi was that inspired by that game. Both are just very traditional Japanese architecture and you see it in many games predating both.

As for Kenseiden, I keep hearing about how it's a master system classic but I never really liked it, I just can't get into it.

Doge · 27-01-2017 11:38AM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I don't really think Revenge of Shinobi was that inspired by that game. Both are just very traditional Japanese architecture and you see it in many games predating both.

Maybe inspired is not the right word but the level design is almost identical, I wouldnt be surprised if it was the same artist that / designer worked on both.

You can even jump on the platform and the lanterns in the foreground in both games.

Retr0gamer · 27-01-2017 12:16PM

Maybe some of the team did work on it but there were lots of games at the time that used that design, even with the lanterns and the two planes to jump on to. There was a pretty big ninja game which I've forgotten the name of that was solely based around that design.

o1s1n · 27-01-2017 02:08PM

I'd definitely say that's more than just a coincidence.

There are similar things used in a lot of Japanese games of that era to denote 'feudal Japan' alright, but the way those components are assembled in each game (and the style in which they're drawn) is almost identical.

I'd never actually heard of Kenseiden before, as a massive Revenge fan, I had a 'woah!' moment when I saw that picture.

Doge · 27-01-2017 02:16PM

o1s1n wrote: »

I'd definitely say that's more than just a coincidence.

There are similar things used in a lot of Japanese games of that era to denote 'feudal Japan' alright, but the way those components are assembled in each game (and the style in which they're drawn) is almost identical.

I'd never actually heard of Kenseiden before, as a massive Revenge fan, I had a 'woah!' moment when I saw that picture.

I only discovered it through watching a video of a few examples of SMS games that use the FM expansion. Its quite detailed for an SMS game.

DinoRex · 27-01-2017 02:26PM

Oooh.... Just nabbed an A1200 for €90 on adverts.ie. Just down the road from me too.

CiDeRmAn · 27-01-2017 04:34PM

Now you'll be immersed in the world of mail order add-ons for it, clocks, chips, chips that clock, clocks that chip.... the Amiga 1200 rabbit hole....

Andrew76 · 27-01-2017 07:35PM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Maybe some of the team did work on it but there were lots of games at the time that used that design, even with the lanterns and the two planes to jump on to. There was a pretty big ninja game which I've forgotten the name of that was solely based around that design.

Shinobi?

Retr0gamer · 27-01-2017 08:45PM

Andrew76 wrote: »

Shinobi?

Nope it's kind of like ninja jajamarukun or psycho soldier.

Stoner · 27-01-2017 10:25PM

There was a game just called "Ninja" had it in the 48K had a sword threw stars , for a spectrum owner it played very well, better than the more widely know alternatives imo.

http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=0003433

Tom Mann Centuria · 27-01-2017 10:34PM

Stoner wrote: »

There was a game just called "Ninja" had it in the 48K had a sword threw stars , for a spectrum owner it played very well, better than the more widely know alternatives imo.

http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=0003433

Never played that, will have to give it a go.

CiDeRmAn · 27-01-2017 11:20PM

The way of the Tiger was a cracker back in the day, on the Spectrum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJkymo5Buzw

Tom Mann Centuria · 28-01-2017 01:26AM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

The way of the Tiger was a cracker back in the day, on the Spectrum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJkymo5Buzw

They could make spectrum games look pretty good when they got creative. With background stuff, and around the edges, rather than monochrome everything, suppose it's much easier on a static screen though.

Some of the lads still making games for the Spectrum have done wonders with the colour on the little machine. Metal man Reloaded by Oleg Origin is full of colour (and wonderful attribute clash of course), and nearly all of Gabriele Amore games are bursting with colour. Chunk Zone pretty horrifically colourful even!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvUNnq1UI7I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jyDUPvGHCk

CiDeRmAn · 28-01-2017 12:10PM

They did some amazing things with the Spectrum,
from working within the limits of the 48k machine visually

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4WOBFy1Gqo

to the audio stuff, never going to top the C64, but still better than the bog standard beeps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtSRhIM4oaQ

They also pulled off impossible feats like Uridium for the Spectrum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkAyrtFWYgE

And the amazing R-Type, which one of our own Luas Dublin did a retrospective on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiQxq98OYfA

Steve X2 · 28-01-2017 03:50PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v7cFGneuaw

Tom Mann Centuria · 28-01-2017 05:10PM

Steve X2 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v7cFGneuaw

Looked playable (and excellent), don't think it was ever finished was it?

This from Oleg Origin (again) is complete though, it's pretty good, I'm useless at it like all fps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65FR_tPZQk8

CiDeRmAn · 28-01-2017 07:23PM

Here's a nice retrospective on one of the best consoles of all time, the Panasonic 3DO!
http://www.retrogamegeeks.co.uk/3do

Bracken3000 · 28-01-2017 08:59PM

CiDeRmAn wrote:

Here's a nice retrospective on one of the best consoles of all time, the Panasonic 3DO!

Never had any dealings with the 3DO, what would you say are its pros and cons. Wasn't it released the same time as the PS1 and Saturn? Tough competition for it.

CosmicSmash · 28-01-2017 10:58PM

It's good to see a change over on the Switch thread, it's gone from people bitching about the price of the console and the range of games available at launch to what seems to be people genuinely looking forward to the launch. There is the odd one comparing it to an ipad, because it's the same size ipad, the price should be the same as an Ipad. 🤔

Jerichoholic · 29-01-2017 12:11AM

Anyone using New Retro Arcade Neon? If you have VR it's worth it. There's a new add on that can randomise your arcade each time you play.

CiDeRmAn · 29-01-2017 09:40AM

Bracken3000 wrote: »

Never had any dealings with the 3DO, what would you say are its pros and cons. Wasn't it released the same time as the PS1 and Saturn? Tough competition for it.

It predated the PS1 and Saturn by over a year, but they arrived and, the PS in particular, changed the nature of the market and the markets expectations.

But the 3DO enjoyed certain advantages over the PS, despite that machine being overtly more powerful.
This meant that the likes of The Need for Speed, a flagship title for the 3DO, ran smoother and with more colours than the PS port, although the PS version had extra circuit tracks.
At the time, when both the 3DO and PS co-existed, I honestly preferred The Need for Speed on the former to Ridge Racer on the latter.
Most of EA's output on the 3DO were ported across, so to many there is little advantage in owning a 3DO, it's weight making it an expensive device to ship.
But I still love mine and would recommend one, especially if you can get a good deal.
It has no copy protection on it's discs so, the option is there to try before you buy, handy for the higher priced games like Star Control II, to determine if you want to make the investment.

Bracken3000 · 29-01-2017 11:01PM

CiDeRmAn wrote:

But the 3DO enjoyed certain advantages over the PS, despite that machine being overtly more powerful. This meant that the likes of The Need for Speed, a flagship title for the 3DO, ran smoother and with more colours than the PS port, although the PS version had extra circuit tracks. At the time, when both the 3DO and PS co-existed, I honestly preferred The Need for Speed on the former to Ridge Racer on the latter. Most of EA's output on the 3DO were ported across, so to many there is little advantage in owning a 3DO, it's weight making it an expensive device to ship. But I still love mine and would recommend one, especially if you can get a good deal. It has no copy protection on it's discs so, the option is there to try before you buy, handy for the higher priced games like Star Control II, to determine if you want to make the investment.

What about the its controllers? Any good? Hope they aren't like the Atari Jaguars!

Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy · 30-01-2017 11:09AM

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CiDeRmAn · 30-01-2017 12:45PM

Bracken3000 wrote: »

What about the its controllers? Any good? Hope they aren't like the Atari Jaguars!

Clever controllers
3 button like a Megadrive pad with a joypad port built in, meaning you can daisy chain as many as you like.
There were some quiz games that would have used up to four, or dual player stuff like Samurai Shodown where you just plugged player 2's pad into player ones.
The pad cables were nice and long too.
And the controllers are very robust, at least the Panasonic example.
You'd have to ask Steve for more info on the other variants from other manufacturers.

Sadly, the system was never going to have a life beyond the PS and the shock it delivered to the market.
It could have competed well with the Saturn though, as well as the SNES successor that never was.
The proposed M2, with its roots in pro 3D systems might well have been an N64 before the N64, but it also wasn't to be, again see Steve for more info, because he owns one!

DinoRex · 30-01-2017 01:03PM

Finished RE7 yesterday and really enjoyed it. Don't think I've ever played any other game that cranks up the tension like it.

No idea what they're doing with the overall lore for the series though. Lots of stuff to think about.

Mr.Saturn · 30-01-2017 02:23PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Clever controllers
3 button like a Megadrive pad with a joypad port built in, meaning you can daisy chain as many as you like.
There were some quiz games that would have used up to four, or dual player stuff like Samurai Shodown where you just plugged player 2's pad into player ones.
The pad cables were nice and long too.
And the controllers are very robust, at least the Panasonic example.
You'd have to ask Steve for more info on the other variants from other manufacturers.

Sadly, the system was never going to have a life beyond the PS and the shock it delivered to the market.
It could have competed well with the Saturn though, as well as the SNES successor that never was.
The proposed M2, with its roots in pro 3D systems might well have been an N64 before the N64, but it also wasn't to be, again see Steve for more info, because he owns one!

You've to use the pause button for Super Turbo (only home port of that iteration at the time) due to lack of buttons. I saw the Capcom controller they released for the thing and was all "there has to be another way."

Retr0gamer · 30-01-2017 06:14PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Bracken3000 wrote: »

What about the its controllers? Any good? Hope they aren't like the Atari Jaguars!

Clever controllers
3 button like a Megadrive pad with a joypad port built in, meaning you can daisy chain as many as you like.
There were some quiz games that would have used up to four, or dual player stuff like Samurai Shodown where you just plugged player 2's pad into player ones.
The pad cables were nice and long too.

This really annoyed me in the 3DO AVGN episode. He went on about it like it was a terrible thing. I mean the alternative wad to buy a multitap. There's a reason multiplayer us so popular on consoles with 4 controller ports. There's no financial investment meaning it's far more prolific whereas it was rare to get a 4 player game going on say the PS1.

Me and my friends all had the Microsoft sidewinder pads on our PC around the same time which had the same daisy chain system as the 3DO and it was brilliant especially for multilayer mame.

Bracken3000 · 30-01-2017 11:37PM

CiDeRmAn wrote:

Clever controllers 3 button like a Megadrive pad with a joypad port built in, meaning you can daisy chain as many as you like. There were some quiz games that would have used up to four, or dual player stuff like Samurai Shodown where you just plugged player 2's pad into player ones. The pad cables were nice and long too. And the controllers are very robust, at least the Panasonic example. You'd have to ask Steve for more info on the other variants from other manufacturers.

Never seen that daisy chain mechanic before, its pretty clever. I guess it was never used more often on other systems because they would rather you have to buy more of their products, multi tap etc, than simply linking up pads.

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