Dairy chit chat II

blackdog1 · 30-01-2017 09:22PM

mahoney_j wrote:

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I stand corrected I was looking at Jan 2016 before they adjusted it.

pedigree 6 · 30-01-2017 09:40PM

Haven't got the ebi as not milk recording or not part of herd plus.

Calving Interval 363 days.
6 week 84%
Solids 470 kg/cow sold.
Average 17.54 litres/cow.
Fat% 3.81
Protein% 3.38
Milk Price 25.9
Scc 132.

pedigree 6 · 30-01-2017 09:53PM

I think i'm leading on the lowest price paid.:pac:

Then on the milking cows average box I'm coming in at 19.6 litres and 1.45ms

And in the main page it's coming in at 17.54 litres per cow/day and 1.3ms

I'm getting penalized for fattening my cull cows.
Good thing I don't take it too seriously or i'd have the calves on milk replacer from day 2 and the cull cows shifted straight away.

I'd tried to make a web note of it but icbf don't allow you to.

whelan2 · 30-01-2017 10:02PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

I think i'm leading on the lowest price paid.:pac:

your solids are low? Why type of cow have you my pr was 3.44 and bf wass 4.01

Signpost · 30-01-2017 10:04PM

I'm just doing a few calculations here and its looking to my primitive mind that cows I bought last year aren't included in the figures when I'm cross checking them off my milk recording reports?

ted_182 · 30-01-2017 10:04PM

We should have the dairygold reports by March hopefully...

pedigree 6 · 30-01-2017 10:18PM

whelan2 wrote: »

your solids are low? Why type of cow have you my pr was 3.44 and bf wass 4.01

See the edit above.
You could be possibly milking your cows longer too than me when your cows would have higher solids.
But still I need to work on the %'s.

I'd be on the rock bottom manufacturing price with a small % fixed milk price scheme.

whelan2 · 30-01-2017 10:25PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

See the edit above.
You could be possibly milking your cows longer too than me when your cows would have higher solids.
But still I need to work on the %'s.

I'd be on the rock bottom manufacturing price with a small % fixed milk price scheme.

Possibly but my Autumn calvers would be bringing my solids down

GrasstoMilk · 30-01-2017 10:27PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

See the edit above.
You could be possibly milking your cows longer too than me when your cows would have higher solids.
But still I need to work on the %'s.

I'd be on the rock bottom manufacturing price with a small % fixed milk price scheme.

How does the coop report corrilate with you total year report from Glanbia? Same?

degetme · 30-01-2017 10:36PM

414 kgms delivered
3.55 protein
4.16 Fat
Scc 168
29.5cl
367 c interval
89% 6 week calving
1.52ms cow average per day suppiled.

How much would a calf drink in ms roughly during the rearing phase? 12 weeks. No milk replacer here.

pedigree 6 · 30-01-2017 10:50PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

How does the coop report corrilate with you total year report from Glanbia? Same?

What do you mean by the coop report?
Is that the one on the ICBF website?

And then the total year report is on glanbia connect?

Because if that's the way they are i'm getting 22.5c/litre on the year total on the report on glanbia connect.
(That's the net price and includes vat but has all the levies taken off).
But that doesn't include any top ups or fixed milk price that the one on the icbf website has.

I was in a good mood before i'm getting depressed now.

GrasstoMilk · 30-01-2017 11:02PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

What do you mean by the coop report?
Is that the one on the ICBF website?

And then the total year report is on glanbia connect?

Because if that's the way they are i'm getting 22.5c/litre on the year total on the report on glanbia connect.
(That's the net price and includes vat but has all the levies taken off).
But that doesn't include any top ups or fixed milk price that the one on the icbf website has.

I was in a good mood before i'm getting depressed now.

You mentioned a few posts back you reckoned your culls were dragging down your figures on the ICBF coop report.

If you go into your year end coop report on Glanbia connect it should give you the total solid % for all the milk you sold

ozil10 · 30-01-2017 11:06PM

Been calving since 26th Jan,
Three out of ten cows calved so far have retained afterbirth.
Have been getting Welmin dry cow elite buckets since Dec 10th and iodine and selenium tabs in the water for last 5 weeks.
No difficult calvings and cows are in good condition calving down
So maybe not getting enough magnesium I dont know?
Should I get the three cows blood tested?
Anybody experience this before and what did they do to rectify it
Cheers

blackdog1 · 30-01-2017 11:08PM

pedigree 6 wrote:

I'm getting penalized for fattening my cull cows. Good thing I don't take it too seriously or i'd have the calves on milk replacer from day 2 and the cull cows shifted straight away. I'd tried to make a web note of it but icbf don't allow you to.

Yea it doesn't suit my system either. I'm milking all year round so if a cow doesn't go in calf I just keep milking her until it's not worth it then I'll cull her. I had one lady do 16000 litres in a 700 day lactation.... She didn't lose me any money

blackdog1 · 30-01-2017 11:13PM

ozil10 wrote:

Been calving since 26th Jan, Three out of ten cows calved so far have retained afterbirth. Have been getting Welmin dry cow elite buckets since Dec 10th and iodine and selenium tabs in the water for last 5 weeks. No difficult calvings and cows are in good condition calving down So maybe not getting enough magnesium I dont know? Should I get the three cows blood tested? Anybody experience this before and what did they do to rectify it Cheers

I had problems last year and it was an iodine problem.... Best thing is to blood them. I think you probably have too high a level of ammonia (nitrogen) in your silage. Put some straw in the diet and agriking sell a product called micro xx which should solve your problem if it's ammonia. Did you do a silage test?. Also I'm not a fan of buckets. Bolus or minerals mixed in feed is the best way for me

whelan2 · 30-01-2017 11:14PM

Where on the glanbia connect site can you see the end of year report?

ozil10 · 30-01-2017 11:20PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

I had problems last year and it was an iodine problem.... Best thing is to blood them. I think you probably have too high a level of ammonia (nitrogen) in your silage. Put some straw in the diet and agriking sell a product called micro xx which should solve your problem if it's ammonia. Did you do a silage test?. Also I'm not a fan of buckets. Bolus or minerals mixed in feed is the best way for me

Ya silage tests for ammonia N came back at 2.3 and 3.7% so doubt it is that.im not a fan of buckets either but powder doesn't suit my system at the moment.

awaywithyou · 30-01-2017 11:27PM

ozil10 wrote: »

Been calving since 26th Jan,
Three out of ten cows calved so far have retained afterbirth.
Have been getting Welmin dry cow elite buckets since Dec 10th and iodine and selenium tabs in the water for last 5 weeks.
No difficult calvings and cows are in good condition calving down
So maybe not getting enough magnesium I dont know?
Should I get the three cows blood tested?
Anybody experience this before and what did they do to rectify it
Cheers

Give them oxytocin within an hour of calving.... Should help

essgee268 · 30-01-2017 11:36PM

I bought a month calved slow milking holstien cow off my brother inlaw last may. she has reared 2 bbq BB twin calfs, we haven't got her back in calf we have sold the last twin last Saturday, how long would I expect her to continue milking. would it be worth my while putting another calf on her. Thanks

GrasstoMilk · 30-01-2017 11:37PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Where on the glanbia connect site can you see the end of year report?

Go into your dashboard and click on milk statements.
Choose which ever year you want and then under all the months you can choose a year end report

pedigree 6 · 30-01-2017 11:39PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

You mentioned a few posts back you reckoned your culls were dragging down your figures on the ICBF coop report.

If you go into your year end coop report on Glanbia connect it should give you the total solid % for all the milk you sold

I don't think it is the culls now. Here's the report.

There was 48 cows milking and I culled 1 cow in November and I entered the drying off date on ICBF this year.
I think the litres and MS are averaged over 365 days on the main report and it is from when the cow calves and when she's dried off in the small box.
Edit: Could still be the culls. Hard to make out.

2nd edit: they are the culls that were in the herd at the time but are included in the total numbers. The timeline when they were sold matches when the boxes for the two charts become the same.

degetme · 30-01-2017 11:41PM

ozil10 wrote: »

blackdog1 wrote: »

I had problems last year and it was an iodine problem.... Best thing is to blood them. I think you probably have too high a level of ammonia (nitrogen) in your silage. Put some straw in the diet and agriking sell a product called micro xx which should solve your problem if it's ammonia. Did you do a silage test?. Also I'm not a fan of buckets. Bolus or minerals mixed in feed is the best way for me

Ya silage tests for ammonia N came back at 2.3 and 3.7% so doubt it is that.im not a fan of buckets either but powder doesn't suit my system at the moment.

Use powder form of above and no problems so far. I don't spare it either.

ted_182 · 30-01-2017 11:41PM

ozil10 wrote:

Been calving since 26th Jan, Three out of ten cows calved so far have retained afterbirth. Have been getting Welmin dry cow elite buckets since Dec 10th and iodine and selenium tabs in the water for last 5 weeks. No difficult calvings and cows are in good condition calving down So maybe not getting enough magnesium I dont know? Should I get the three cows blood tested? Anybody experience this before and what did they do to rectify it Cheers

Using mayo health care topical iodine here for the last two years and find it excellent, no cleanings held, basically an iodine pour; use it three weeks pre calving and three days per calving but even three days would make a difference, sixty quid for 84 cows

ozil10 · 30-01-2017 11:51PM

ted_182 wrote: »

Using mayo health care topical iodine here for the last two years and find it excellent, no cleanings held, basically an iodine pour; use it three weeks pre calving and three days per calving but even three days would make a difference, sixty quid for 84 cows

Cheers Ted
I'm using the iodine tabs from mayo health care in the water so they should be of some benefit.
I'll give the vet a buzz in the morning and see what he says.
Cows are calving 5 or 6 days early as well but having three out of ten so far is abit concerning as it affects their fertility later on in the year

GrasstoMilk · 30-01-2017 11:51PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

I don't think it is the culls now. Here's the report.

There was 48 cows milking and I culled 1 cow in November and I entered the drying off date on ICBF this year.
I think the litres and MS are averaged over 365 days on the main report and it is from when the cow calves and when she's dried off in the small box.

Your litres /cow are very good.
We'd do a similar yield here most years apart from last year. half the herd last year was 1st and second Calvers.

We lost 48kgs/ cow compared to 2015 here due to the younger herd and the terrible spring.
Hoping to get back up to 500 kgs sold this year.
And get ourselves up to a 550/580 kg herd in time when they all mature
3.72 Pr and 4.66 BF was our solids for 16' only we lost 600 litres /cow

I'd suggest picking the highest bulls you can for solid %. It's a slow road but it'll be worth it

pedigree 6 · 31-01-2017 12:03AM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Your litres /cow are very good.
We'd do a similar yield here most years apart from last year. half the herd last year was 1st and second Calvers.

We lost 48kgs/ cow compared to 2015 here due to the younger herd and the terrible spring.
Hoping to get back up to 500 kgs sold this year.
And get ourselves up to a 550/580 kg herd in time when they all mature
3.72 Pr and 4.66 BF was our solids for 16' only we lost 600 litres /cow

I'd suggest picking the highest bulls you can for solid %. It's a slow road but it'll be worth it

I milked the whole month of November in 2015.
Last year I dried off way too early in November.
That's the big difference there. Plus i'm calving later this spring than I thought I would.
Vaccinations given too late to the bull last year.
But I've started calving today with a cow calving a Friesian heifer calf.

I may get a jersey bull.:D

freedominacup · 31-01-2017 12:37AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

1.89 milk solids per cow ,559 kg ms sold ,84% calved in 6 weeks 367 day calving interval
28.56 c per litre milk price .herd ebi 116.ebi dosnt work .........

I have my doubts about ebi. 508kg ms del. 1.62kg/day. Milk price 27.7c. Herd ebi €30. A lot more milk and ms to be gotten from these girls. I just need to tighten up the feed management.

Lowest ebi cow is -€160. She's just under 10 years old. Still milking but culled iykwim. Lifetime production 35000 over five recorded lactations since we got back into milk. Average ci 390. Average ms over five lactations 526kg. Last thing I look at choosing bulls is ebi.

Waffletraktor · 31-01-2017 12:46AM

freedominacup wrote: »

I have my doubts about ebi. 508kg ms del. 1.62kg/day. Milk price 27.7c. Herd ebi €30. A lot more milk and ms to be gotten from these girls. I just need to tighten up the feed management.

Lowest ebi cow is -€160. She's just under 10 years old. Still milking but culled iykwim. Lifetime production 35000 over five recorded lactations since we got back into milk. Average ci 390. Average ms over five lactations 526kg. Last thing I look at choosing bulls is ebi.

Do some cows fit the face of the ideal animal more than others, or it's who sets the criteria.

blackdog1 · 31-01-2017 12:54AM

freedominacup wrote:

I have my doubts about ebi. 508kg ms del. 1.62kg/day. Milk price 27.7c. Herd ebi â‚¬30. A lot more milk and ms to be gotten from these girls. I just need to tighten up the feed management.

freedominacup wrote:

Lowest ebi cow is -â‚¬160. She's just under 10 years old. Still milking but culled iykwim. Lifetime production 35000 over five recorded lactations since we got back into milk. Average ci 390. Average ms over five lactations 526kg. Last thing I look at choosing bulls is ebi.

That's what I say too. It's about management and knowing what type of cow suits you. Ebi might give you a slight edge but if say its max5-10%.

jaymla627 · 31-01-2017 01:17AM

blackdog1 wrote: »

That's what I say too. It's about management and knowing what type of cow suits you. Ebi might give you a slight edge but if say its max5-10%.

I reckon where your at the top end of the scale going for/ already achieving 600kgs milk solids plus, going with the latest flashy high ebi genomic sons year on year would disadvantage a herd more then anything....
Was at a talk by the head Dovea guy and he himself admitted the chasing of higher and higher ebi bulls and the resultant massive turnover of bulls as a result is just leading to a hamster-wheel effect, that has to level off sometime....
Its also a extremely costly business model irish ai companies are following as bulls never get a chance to establish themselves and make a mark on herds for years to come unless they are seen as exceptional for ebi and in the top 10 range, the figure he gave was a run of the mill bull usually had 6000 doses of semen collected and then he was a happy meal...

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