Louise O Neill on rape culture.

neonsofa wrote: »

In fairness on a long thread people do pop in and out and they will ask why it's gone off topic if it's gone onto something very different. And sex is more exciting than stabbings I'd imagine.

Yes, it was a fair question. I meant generally though. People are more reticent about sex than violence.

Widdershins wrote: »

Yes, it was a fair question. I meant generally though. People are more reticent about sex than violence.

I'd imagine they just want to know in what context it is in.

mzungu wrote: »

I blame the patriarchy.

Stop mansplaining at me!

neonsofa wrote: »

I'd imagine they just want to know in what context it is in.

I don't think it matters. From what I've seen elsewhere. I'm warming to LON's points the more I think about it. Only half joking.

Widdershins wrote: »

Stop mansplaining at me!



I don't think it matters. From what I've seen elsewhere. I'm warming to LON's points the more I think about it. Only half joking.

Well I'm not gonna waltz into a thread and announce my love for x y and z in the bedroom when that is not the context in which sex was being discussed. Same as your previous example of violence, discussing fight club is very different to discussing the punishment for acts of viiolence etc. Context does matter. It's a thread about LON so people may just want to know how the OT chat relates to the original discussion topic.

Widdershins wrote: »

I wasn't talking about the other poster who asked or about this thread. I was just going off on a tangent inspired by the other poster's perfectly reasonable question.

Ok well that wasn't clear. Hence me saying about the context and you said it didn't matter. Carry on so!

Tbh most people my age in my circle would have no issue discussing sex, regardless of the context.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Sex is definitely more exciting than identity politics propaganda from the Irish Times, that's for sure :pac:

Unless it's really bad sex

Widdershins wrote: »

The reason I brought it up is that many of my own female friends aren't as confident as yours in that respect. I don't know what generation you're from or if it makes any difference but my friends are mainly in their 20s and 30s.

That would be my age group. Mid late 20s.

Sneezes are better than the identity politics propaganda in the Irish Times.

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

An enema would be better than the identity politics propaganda in the Irish Times

An enema, a pessary and Scrapie and CJD would be better than the identity politics propaganda in the Irish Times

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

http://masc.life/home/2017/1/16/traolach-o-buachalla

So LoN has managed to convince some poor fella with her book(he directed her doc)-and I just cannot help feel that if the guy (who's openly gay) takes a step back-he will realise that as a gay man, he's got it much worse than women.
Put it this way, two gay men cannot hold hands walking down the street without risking a physical assault (Yeah, that sickens me). Whereas a lesbian couple will get the 'alright, lesbians-awesome'-the guys will more than likely get the 'ugh, disgusting'-or in as I witnessed in one of the colleges I Went to-told to 'stop doing that' by a lecturer. (Holding hands, only). Straight couples could kiss and smooch in the halls, but two guys holding hands was dodgy. Not cool on his part.
A gay man may very well get beaten up, but told they have noone to complain to because 'they chose that lifestyle'. Even a friend of mine, who's ex swindled her out of money (a girlfriend who moved abroad shortly afterwards) was told 'she chose that lifestyle' by the guards.

I seriously have to worry about some people. This poor guy cannot see that he's far more of a victim than women.

What is his surname in English? It looks like O'
Boy or something?

He's just a hapless tool for feminists. I feel sorry for him. He's completely in awe.

I was keeping an open mind until I got to this, when talking about pornography: ''It kind of replicates the [perceived] power imbalance between a man and a woman. It’s in the really dominant verbal top and the submissive, pleasing bottom. There are way more [images], but that is the predominant message. '' ''Power Imbalance. Blah Blah''. (He's unnecessarily knocking anyone in any kind of relationship that looks 'traditional' but especially kinky ones.) Missing the entire point! I forgot how much the feminists like to do this. They have to drag everyone else into their box of craziness.

He'll see a true power imbalance when he disagrees with Louise about something for the first time!


I don't know what to make of : ''this notion that there are these organs over which a woman has no control; that bleed once a month, that can create life, that can give birth, that can kill you. I think that creates a serious anomaly in all the conversations we have and we’re really far away from having an equal conversation in sex.##.

Widdershins wrote: »

What is his surname in English? It looks like O'
Boy or something?...

Terence Buckley. He's a blithering idiot.

So over the past while, I've been posting on why the LONs of this world are going feral and heading for a mental health Hiroshima level breakdown over the next year; how Trump has expedited the whole thing.

We've got this erroneous scenario whereby LONs and SJWs are binary thinkers: in the moral sphere, there is the all GOOD white verses the all EVIL black diluted thinking of SJWs. Nothing more, and being a hyperemotional cùnt, one must fight for the good at all times. This leads onto the following:

1: You're either in or you're out. If you slide any bit to the right, then that's it, you're out of the group. If you consider yourself a centrist, or a liberal in the classic sense, sorry lads, you're a right wing fascist. You will be made take a side.

2: Because these people are often highly narcissistic and have a real inability to admit they were wrong, they will do anything to confirm in their minds that they were right. In other words, I will look for every bit of confirmation bias that anyone to the right of me is a Nazi and anything that Trump does is as evil as that Adolf Hitler lad. Hence the madness in response to the immigration executive orders. This is important. These people are looking for as much evidence as possible that there is a Big Bad World out there where there are racists hiding out in the trees. In a perverse way, they want Trump to be the next Hitler.

Nothing is going to appease these people; they don't think normally. So what do you do to get to them?

Attack their safe spaces. What is a LON safe space?

The media. Art and entertainment.

One of the common things that SJWs share is the entertainment they consume. I said earlier that Louise O Neill is probably a massive twilight fan. Why? What is this entertainment made up of?

-Simple binary stories with an all good cast verses an all evil cast.

-A blank, empty protagonist where the reader can project their own personality onto. Ever wonder why these people are obsessed with Harry Potter? Twilight? Stranger Things? Orange is the New Black? Shadowhunters? Adventure Time?

-Despite this blank empty protagonist, that blank empty protagonist is a wonderful, highly successful person, just by existing and everybody worships him/her. Harry Potter, a hero because he deflected a spell when he was a baby? Not exactly the best example of The Hero's Story like.

-BTW The book Asking for It follows the above format to a tee, if you were unlucky enough to read it. It's SJW lite masquerading as deep literature. Quite the money market I must say.

So, what do we do?

Simple. You want to finish off SJWs and speed up the meltdown? You want Una Mulally and Louise O Neill to stop this nonsense? Attack their entertainment.

Well there's a few problems. I'm worried that a lot of countries have been left with a violent, nutty extreme of these people.

And usually, I'd be sympathetic towards people with mental issues, hey life is tough, but these people would be happy out to fùck up my life just for expressing an opinion. I'm unfortunate enough to be in the company of a few right now.

So fire away.

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Your last paragraph there really struck a chord, quite significantly.
Especially in light of this. Note how the author, losing the track of her own point, 'turns on Salma Hayek' in rather disturbing fashion.

http://www.laineygossip.com/Jessica-Williams-speaks-up-as-Salma-Hayek-and-Shirley-MacLaine-ignore-and-talk-over-her-during-luncheon-celebrating-female-filmmakers/46109

Now, to be honest, if Salma Hayek and McClaine were men, we would have the 'mansplaining' insult tossed at em-but the writer cannot because they share the same gender-so she picks an image that supports her argument-ie 'all white women'-yet even in her own article, she states that Salma Hayek is 'a woman of colour'.
She sees it as an issue of race, but to me, in my eyes, I see two significantly older women 'talking down' to a much younger woman-again, this may be 'my white man' empathy's coming to the fore-who knows, but I may be less reactionary too.
We also get a shout out to the 'Women's march' as if that accomplished anything (Remember, the Refugee ban was only days later-good job there crazy people...while you were on your march, you accomplished nothing). But the last part of the article-the 'photos shaming Hayek's dress'. Just show how lost this feminist and feminism is at times.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-female-filmmakers-lunch-race-debate-20170128-story.html

If you read the article, tbh, I see a lot of the ppl at the table turning on one another-even Williams was pretty much trying to tell a 50 year old woman of colour, who was often told 'you'll never be anything than a maid in this industry', and is a woman of colour, that she 'doesn't understand'.

This 'woman's dinner', which was meant to be a celebration of women, just seemed to show the inherent weakness of feminism.

Salma Hayek: “I’m sorry. Can I ask you a question? Who are you when you’re not black and you’re not a woman? Who are you and what have you got to give?” How dare she be so sensible and down to Earth...

Oppression Olympics


And then ''Please enjoy/ridicule Salma's hideous dress'' ?!