Quebec Attack

Widdershins · 30-01-2017 11:14AM

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Could be a different branch of Islam?

There's over 100 sects. Ahmadiyya muslims in particular face lots of resentment from some people in the other sects. They're not seen as Muslims at all.

arayess · 30-01-2017 11:22AM

FTA69 wrote: »

Why didn't he ban Saudis?

why indeed.
why does the house of saud get off scot free .....?

well here goes...
in the 70's nixon made a deal with the house of saud that the saudis and their pals in OPEC would price oil only in US dollars.
In return the US would defend the house of saud from all aggressors.

there are other parts to the deal but this is the important bit

as a result - the US became rich and US dollar became the strongest currency

If this deal collapsed the house of saud would probably be over thrown by somebody but more importantly from the US perspective the dollar would collapse

this deal will survive no matter what happens - trump or no trump.

so the Saudis get a better deal than anybody including but not limited to getting Saudi VIPs (the bin ladens) out of the US after 9/11 during the 3 day no fly order.
I'll wager Enda Kenny couldn't swing that for Denis O'Brien.

topper75 · 30-01-2017 11:24AM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Canadians from my experience, generally have a calmer mindset.

Is that blanket judgement a different trademarked blanket judgement to the one the racists use?

biko · 30-01-2017 11:29AM

I'm only guessing but possibly either IS or sunni Muslims firing on shia Muslims.

But somehow whitey is to blame and the shooters are also victims.

Hande hoche! · 30-01-2017 11:34AM

Widdershins wrote: »

There's over 100 sects. Ahmadiyya muslims in particular face lots of resentment from some people in the other sects. They're not seen as Muslims at all.

Very true, one only needs to look at Syria.

BoJack Horseman · 30-01-2017 11:41AM

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Very true, one only needs to look at Syria.

Or that slaughtered shopkeeper in Glasgow last year.

FTA69 · 30-01-2017 11:42AM

arayess wrote: »

why indeed.
why does the house of saud get off scot free .....?

well here goes...
in the 70's nixon made a deal with the house of saud that the saudis and their pals in OPEC would price oil only in US dollars.
In return the US would defend the house of saud from all aggressors.

there are other parts to the deal but this is the important bit

as a result - the US became rich and US dollar became the strongest currency

If this deal collapsed the house of saud would probably be over thrown by somebody but more importantly from the US perspective the dollar would collapse

this deal will survive no matter what happens - trump or no trump.

so the Saudis get a better deal than anybody including but not limited to getting Saudi VIPs (the bin ladens) out of the US after 9/11 during the 3 day no fly order.
I'll wager Enda Kenny couldn't swing that for Denis O'Brien.

Very well put. Also Saudi Arabia is arguably the biggest element in promoting radical Islamism but yet they get left completely off the hook in Trump's travel ban.

This has everything to do with theatre and looking tough and nothing to do with security or defence. This is horribly divisive stuff and those backing Trump on this would want to take a good hard look at themselves.

Butters1979 · 30-01-2017 11:47AM

We already have 2 other threads banging on about Trump and his immigration policies. This is supposed to be about a Mosk attack in Canada. Why are we still talking about travel restrictions for the saudi's?

The very first reply in this thread was someone blaming Trump.

Varik · 30-01-2017 11:50AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Wisely, the Irish government doesn't let our basement dwellers anywhere near immigration policy.

The Irish government bend whenever there's any sizeable (vote effecting ) backlash, it's why water charges are gone and why "repeal the 8th" isn't going anywhere.

Hande hoche! · 30-01-2017 11:51AM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Or that slaughtered shopkeeper in Glasgow last year.

Had forgotten about him, poor lad.

MRnotlob606 · 30-01-2017 11:52AM

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

SOme right wing nut taking comfort from Trumps Xenophobia

Maybe you should remain incognito until you stop making baseless, unfounded claims without any substance.

Butters1979 · 30-01-2017 11:58AM

Has anyone a source for the details of the shooters? I heard one was Morrocon but can't find anything on it. Also is it true one of the shooters rang the police because 'he felt bad' ?

Elemonator · 30-01-2017 12:02PM

Yourself isit wrote: »

Eh. This is Canada. Eh

Trumps line of thought is not confined by borders.

skankkuvhima · 30-01-2017 12:04PM

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

SOme right wing nut taking comfort from Trumps Xenophobia

I love this, the glee when you think you can hang this on Trump and then the crickets when it might be other muslims.

Widdershins · 30-01-2017 12:07PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Or that slaughtered shopkeeper in Glasgow last year.

Just after the story broke, the Muslim friends I was talking to knew it wasn't about what the media were implying, and one of them directed me to a video of Asad Shah rambling about being a prophet. Other Muslims warned him in the comments section to be careful, and pointed out that the poor man wasn't well (and that they hoped there wouldn't be repercussions for him, because he didn't know what he was saying). It was really chilling to sit there reading it for the first time, in light of what happened to the poor man.

_Kaiser_ · 30-01-2017 12:13PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Morocco is on the list?

Trump has about as much of a clue as the average cowardly terrorist enabler on boards.ie

Wisely, the Irish government doesn't let our basement dwellers anywhere near immigration policy.

You might want to have a read of what's going on with Zappone and Fitzgerald's immigration policies then as they're busily arranging transport and accommodation for some of the Calais camp "refugees"

Zappone is already on record as saying she wishes she could "sweep them up and bring them home" in regards to "refugees" in Greece. That's a pretty dangerous mindset given the problems we've seen elsewhere in Europe - not to mention her budget for the exercise is being taken from resources already needed at home.

I fear it's only a matter of time before we start seeing reports (probably only on social media as well) of some "incidents" on Irish soil as well. By then of course it'll be too late.

Unfortunately, whether it's Canada, Germany, Sweden, or the UK is irrelevant. There's a common underlying issue here that's being ignored in the pursuit of liberal humanitarianism and social media high-fiving, and it's a problem that'll only get worse as long as this is ignored and anyone voicing concern is shouted down.

arayess · 30-01-2017 12:26PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

You might want to have a read of what's going on with Zappone and Fitzgerald's immigration policies then as they're busily arranging transport and accommodation for some of the Calais camp "refugees"

Zappone is already on record as saying she wishes she could "sweep them up and bring them home" in regards to "refugees" in Greece. That's a pretty dangerous mindset given the problems we've seen elsewhere in Europe - not to mention her budget for the exercise is being taken from resources already needed at home.

I fear it's only a matter of time before we start seeing reports (probably only on social media as well) of some "incidents" on Irish soil as well. By then of course it'll be too late.

Unfortunately, whether it's Canada, Germany, Sweden, or the UK is irrelevant. There's a common underlying issue here that's being ignored in the pursuit of liberal humanitarianism and social media high-fiving, and it's a problem that'll only get worse as long as this is ignored and anyone voicing concern is shouted down.

zappone a nutcase....drunk on her own self importance...
she wants us to wade into a row with the US over something that has no connection to ireland.
the sooner she is away from power the better for us all.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/remove-us-officials-from-irish-airports-minister-35407606.htmlhttp://www.independent.ie/irish-news/remove-us-officials-from-irish-airports-minister-35407606.html

_Kaiser_ · 30-01-2017 12:34PM

arayess wrote: »

zappone a nutcase....drunk on her own self importance...
she wants us top wade into a row with the US over something that has no connection to ireland.
the sooner she is away from power the better for us all.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/remove-us-officials-from-irish-airports-minister-35407606.htmlhttp://www.independent.ie/irish-news/remove-us-officials-from-irish-airports-minister-35407606.html

Hadn't seen that one.. so Zappone (a US native) wants Ireland to engage in a tit-for-tat game with the US because she disagrees with who became President in her homeland?

She's more than entitled to disagree with him, but not to use OUR country in her personal crusade (but as I said above, she has form there already too).

She says (on the idea of removing the permission of US immigration officials to operate here):

"I think the Irish people would be in favour of that and certainly the Irish-Americans would be favour of that as well," she said.

How exactly does she know that? Was there a poll I missed? Who does she think she is and why is it being tolerated??! - oh wait, I momentarily forgot who's "leading" the current Government. :rolleyes:

Enda Kenny's quest to become Taoiseach again at any cost (including giving Zappone a platform and ministry to use for her personal agenda) may cost us all dearly yet.

Widdershins · 30-01-2017 12:39PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Hadn't seen that one.. so Zappone (a US native) wants Ireland to engage in a tit-for-tat game with the US because she disagrees with who became President in her homeland?

She's more than entitled to disagree with him, but not to use OUR country in her personal crusade (but as I said above, she has form there already too).

Enda Kenny's quest to become Taoiseach again at any cost (including giving Zappone a platform and ministry to use for her personal agenda) may cost us all dearly yet.

She's more of an activist than a politician. Personal crusade is spot on.

_Kaiser_ · 30-01-2017 12:51PM

Widdershins wrote: »

She's more of an activist than a politician. Personal crusade is spot on.

I'd have to say though.. as bad as the likes of the Healy Rae's are (and I despite the parochial gombeenism that rules national politics in this country), they're nowhere near as dangerous to the country as Zappone has proven to be.

BoJack Horseman · 30-01-2017 01:01PM

A lot of word on the twittersphere that the shooters are both muslim.
One Moroccan & one Canadian

Nothing confirmed.... might be echo-chamber stuff.

RobertKK · 30-01-2017 01:15PM

They were college goers.

But if they were Islamist terrorists, it doesn't matter, Justin Trudeau has said the doors are open in Canada, as he comes across like Angela Merkel before she saw sense.

Gatling · 30-01-2017 01:21PM

RobertKK wrote: »

But if they were Islamist terrorists, it doesn't matter, Justin Trudeau has said the doors are open in Canada, as he comes across like Angela Merkel before she saw sense.

No point locking the doors now ,
This whole idea of stopping immigration because of a threat of terrorism is a waste of time and effort,
Won't stop attacks and won't solve anything either

RobertKK · 30-01-2017 01:24PM

Gatling wrote: »

No point locking the doors now ,
This whole idea of stopping immigration because of a threat of terrorism is a waste of time and effort,
Won't stop attacks and won't solve anything either

He talked yesterday as if Canada would have an open door policy.
While Europe is paying Turkey billions in a refugee/migrant exchange program.

_Kaiser_ · 30-01-2017 01:28PM

Gatling wrote: »

No point locking the doors now ,
This whole idea of stopping immigration because of a threat of terrorism is a waste of time and effort,
Won't stop attacks and won't solve anything either

Er.. that post makes no sense!

By closing the borders, or at the very least imposing rigid and effective security checks with the power to turn away anyone not meeting the criteria, you reduce the potential for terrorists to slip through.

Your domestic police and security forces can then focus on identifying and capturing suspects who have already gotten in. Again, if they cannot pass interrogation they go to court.

Once there the court satisfies itself that the person before it is not who they claim to be or has links to terrorist organisations and orders their immediate expulsion back to wherever they came from. Their name, fingerprint etc is then added to a watch list that the border officials, police etc can check should the person attempt to come back in. For added effectiveness you share this list with other similar organisations in Europe/US/Canada.

I'd imagine it'd be very effective if done right actually!

Graces7 · 30-01-2017 01:30PM

My family in Canada have been fearing something like this. A force has been unleashed.

SnakePlissken · 30-01-2017 01:46PM

Graces7 wrote: »

My family in Canada have been fearing something like this. A force has been unleashed.

This is the real world, not star wars.

Widdershins · 30-01-2017 01:49PM

SnakePlissken wrote: »

This is the real world, not star wars.

Funny you should say that. Several people I know have been sharing a meme on FB in relation to the womens marches against Trump. It has Princess Leia and says ''well behaved women never defeated empires''.

I do think there's a bit of a disconnect from reality there..

BoJack Horseman · 30-01-2017 01:51PM

SnakePlissken wrote: »

This is the real world, not star wars.

sez you.

"I felt a great disturbance in the Twitterverse.
As if millions of snowflakes cried out in righteous accusation,
And were suddenly silenced (once the suspects were muslim)"

- Obi Wan Kenobi

Timberrrrrrrr · 30-01-2017 01:54PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

sez you.

Ohhhh the Jefi are gonna feel that one

: professor Farnsworth

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