Quebec Attack

The_Kew_Tour · 30-01-2017 9:17am #1

Another mindless attack.

http://news.sky.com/story/gunshots-fired-inside-mosque-in-canada-reports-10748247

Mr. Incognito · 30-01-2017 9:18am

SOme right wing nut taking comfort from Trumps Xenophobia

Timberrrrrrrr · 30-01-2017 9:19am

I wonder will Trump ban Canadians from travelling to the US after this attack.

Yourself isit · 30-01-2017 9:19am

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

SOme right wing nut taking comfort from Trumps Xenophobia

Eh. This is Canada. Eh

The_Valeyard · 30-01-2017 9:21am

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

SOme right wing nut taking comfort from Trumps Xenophobia

But it's in another country? Canadians from my experience, generally have a calmer mindset.

Horrible news to hear about. Despicable act.
RIP to the victims.

Mr. Incognito · 30-01-2017 9:27am

Canada is beside the US. It's not on the other side of the world. We are on the other side of the Ocean and Boards is awash with people cheeringleading Trumps idiocy racism on here.

If you have ever been there you would know that there are plenty of US residents and they see themselves as North Amercians as well as Canadians especially in cities like Toronto.

Robxxx7 · 30-01-2017 9:29am

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

SOme right wing nut taking comfort from Trumps Xenophobia

You're jumping the gun a bit attributing the attack to right wing nuts ... lets wait and see who it was ...

Yourself isit · 30-01-2017 9:30am

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Canada is beside the US. It's not on the other side of the world. We are on the other side of the Ocean and Boards is awash with people cheeringleading Trumps idiocy racism on here.

If you have ever been there you would know that there are plenty of US residents and they see themselves as North Amercians as well as Canadians especially in cities like Toronto.

You can't really just cry Trump every time something bad happen in any country. Why not blame farage?

JustAThought · 30-01-2017 9:31am

Shocking to hear of this in a perviously so quiet and peaceloving country. Even the newsreporter was shocked & upset covering it - we have become too automated & sterile in our state reporting & responses - terrible to see.

philstar · 30-01-2017 9:31am

it could be left wing nuts trying to make right wing nuts look bad

or maybe just a plain nut

Mr. Incognito · 30-01-2017 9:31am

Yeah,

So a gun attack on a Mosque a day after a US ban on Muslums is a co-incidence.

Are people really incapable of applying simple logic these days.

conorhal · 30-01-2017 9:32am

Robxxx7 wrote: »

You're jumping the gun a bit attributing the attack to right wing nuts ... lets wait and see who it was ...

We already know, it's a spat amongst the followers of the religion of peace.

Wisely Trump has revoked visa access to the citizens of a select few failed states in the Middle East to ensure America doesn't import this kind of internecine tribal warfare.

Robxxx7 · 30-01-2017 9:35am

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Yeah,

So a gun attack on a Mosque a day after a US ban on Muslums is a co-incidence.

Are people really incapable of applying simple logic these days.

Coincidence isnt facts though ... ill wait to hear what exactly transpired before jumping to conclusions ...

BlinkingLights · 30-01-2017 9:40am

I'm sure the Québec police will release information later today when they have it. It's a french heritage judicial legal system with a civil code. So it does not take it all that long to get to the state where they'll have a suspect in custody.

SnakePlissken · 30-01-2017 9:43am

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

SOme right wing nut taking comfort from Trumps Xenophobia

You're going to look pretty silly should the attackers be revealed as Muslims also. But then, who needs facts when you have a point to prove?

Yourself isit · 30-01-2017 9:47am

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Yeah,

So a gun attack on a Mosque a day after a US ban on Muslums is a co-incidence.

Are people really incapable of applying simple logic these days.

You think a normal guy woke up yesterday, saw trump's actions in a different country and said "I'm now radicalised".

For all we know this is a inter Muslim attack.

Mr. Incognito · 30-01-2017 9:49am

SnakePlissken wrote: »

You're going to look pretty silly should the attackers be revealed as Muslims also. But then, who needs facts when you have a point to prove?

The Mirror are reporting that one was Moroccian and shouted Allah Akbar so maybe I am wrong. If I am I will say so.

The Backwards Man · 30-01-2017 9:50am

conorhal wrote: »

We already know, it's a spat amongst the followers of the religion of peace.

Wisely Trump has revoked visa access to the citizens of a select few failed states in the Middle East to ensure America doesn't import this kind of internecine tribal warfare.

Morocco is on the list?

Trump has about as much of a clue as the average cowardly terrorist enabler on boards.ie

Wisely, the Irish government doesn't let our basement dwellers anywhere near immigration policy.

RobertKK · 30-01-2017 9:54am

Claims one of the shooters is from Quebec and the other is an Arab.

There was a shooting at a mosque in Zurich last month. I wonder how people could attribute that to Trump?

humberklog · 30-01-2017 9:54am

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Yeah,

So a gun attack on a Mosque a day after a US ban on Muslums is a co-incidence.

Are people really incapable of applying simple logic these days.

There's applying logic and there's jumping to conclusions.

Richard Hillman · 30-01-2017 9:55am

Now watch the debate turn to gun control.....

SnakePlissken · 30-01-2017 9:56am

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Trump has about as much of a clue as the average cowardly terrorist enabler on boards.ie
.

Terrorist enablers?

FTA69 · 30-01-2017 9:57am

conorhal wrote: »

We already know, it's a spat amongst the followers of the religion of peace.

Wisely Trump has revoked visa access to the citizens of a select few failed states in the Middle East to ensure America doesn't import this kind of internecine tribal warfare.

Why didn't he ban Saudis?

RobertKK · 30-01-2017 10:00am

One is a local from Quebec, the other shooter is of Moroccan origin.
They shouted Allahu Akbar as they opened fire inside the mosque.
One of the shooters rang the police saying he felt bad for what he did.
The police came and arrested them.

The Backwards Man · 30-01-2017 10:01am

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Terrorist enablers?

Yep, people that just love giving them what they want.

I often get called a liberal and a leftie and such, and it's a great compliment and all, but I have way too much contempt for those that bow down before terrorist scum to ever be considered as either.

CPTM · 30-01-2017 10:02am

I'm confused about this attack. There are reports that the gunmen shouted "Alluha Akbar" before shooting. But why are they firing at Muslims? Isn't that their own people?

conorhal · 30-01-2017 10:02am

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

The Mirror are reporting that one was Moroccian and shouted Allah Akbar so maybe I am wrong. If I am I will say so.

Completely understandable. What other conclusion could you be lead to draw when the PM of Canada described it as a terrorist attack and the Indo peppers it's article about the incident with stuff that heavily implies it was a right wing attack:

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/three-gunmen-open-fire-in-quebec-mosque-killing-six-people-and-seriously-injuring-eight-35407982.html
"Incidents of Islamophobia have increased in Quebec in recent years. The face-covering, or niqab, became a big issue in the 2015 Canadian federal election, especially in Quebec, where the majority of the population supported a ban on it at citizenship ceremonies.
In 2013, police investigated after a mosque in the Saguenay region of the province was splattered with what was believed to be pig blood. In the neighbouring province of Ontario, a mosque was set on fire in 2015, a day after an attack by gunmen and suicide bombers in Paris.
Zebida Bendjeddou, who left the Quebec City mosque earlier on Sunday evening, said the centre had received threats."

What other conclusion are you to draw? Of course they did exactly the same thing after the truck attack in Germany when that story was accompanied and linked with an article about a shooting in a mosque in Zurich, which it also heavily implied was right wing extremism when in fact the shooter was a member of the mosque.

And they have the nerve to bleat about fake news....

Hande hoche! · 30-01-2017 10:04am

CPTM wrote: »

I'm confused about this attack. There are reports that the gunmen shouted "Alluha Akbar" before shooting. But why are they firing at Muslims? Isn't that their own people?

Could be a different branch of Islam?

RobertKK · 30-01-2017 10:05am

CPTM wrote: »

I'm confused about this attack. There are reports that the gunmen shouted "Alluha Akbar" before shooting. But why are they firing at Muslims? Isn't that their own people?

It happens all the time in the Middle East.

Parchment · 30-01-2017 10:10am

RobertKK wrote: »

It happens all the time in the Middle East.

Exactly - they dont care.

Widdershins · 30-01-2017 10:10am

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Yep, people that just love giving them what they want.

I often get called a liberal and a leftie and such, and it's a great compliment and all, but I have way too much contempt for those that bow down before terrorist scum to ever be considered as either.

They want death and carnage. I can't see how Boards users give it to them. I'm guessing you mean, people are perpetuating divisive ideas and assisting ISIS in pitting the Muslim and non Muslim worlds against each other?

If so, I don't really buy that theory. Well, I think it's overstated. Obviously, indiscriminate hatred is not going to help anything, but criticising aspects of the religion is not playing into their hands. When ISIS released a hostage, he said that is their goal, but how can you trust anything he says..either he has Stockholm syndrome or they've fed him whatever lines they want him to disseminate to the world.

Widdershins · 30-01-2017 10:14am

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Could be a different branch of Islam?

There's over 100 sects. Ahmadiyya muslims in particular face lots of resentment from some people in the other sects. They're not seen as Muslims at all.

arayess · 30-01-2017 10:22am

FTA69 wrote: »

Why didn't he ban Saudis?

why indeed.
why does the house of saud get off scot free .....?

well here goes...
in the 70's nixon made a deal with the house of saud that the saudis and their pals in OPEC would price oil only in US dollars.
In return the US would defend the house of saud from all aggressors.

there are other parts to the deal but this is the important bit

as a result - the US became rich and US dollar became the strongest currency

If this deal collapsed the house of saud would probably be over thrown by somebody but more importantly from the US perspective the dollar would collapse

this deal will survive no matter what happens - trump or no trump.

so the Saudis get a better deal than anybody including but not limited to getting Saudi VIPs (the bin ladens) out of the US after 9/11 during the 3 day no fly order.
I'll wager Enda Kenny couldn't swing that for Denis O'Brien.

topper75 · 30-01-2017 10:24am

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Canadians from my experience, generally have a calmer mindset.

Is that blanket judgement a different trademarked blanket judgement to the one the racists use?

biko · 30-01-2017 10:29am

I'm only guessing but possibly either IS or sunni Muslims firing on shia Muslims.

But somehow whitey is to blame and the shooters are also victims.

Hande hoche! · 30-01-2017 10:34am

Widdershins wrote: »

There's over 100 sects. Ahmadiyya muslims in particular face lots of resentment from some people in the other sects. They're not seen as Muslims at all.

Very true, one only needs to look at Syria.

BoJack Horseman · 30-01-2017 10:41am

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Very true, one only needs to look at Syria.

Or that slaughtered shopkeeper in Glasgow last year.

FTA69 · 30-01-2017 10:42am

arayess wrote: »

why indeed.
why does the house of saud get off scot free .....?

well here goes...
in the 70's nixon made a deal with the house of saud that the saudis and their pals in OPEC would price oil only in US dollars.
In return the US would defend the house of saud from all aggressors.

there are other parts to the deal but this is the important bit

as a result - the US became rich and US dollar became the strongest currency

If this deal collapsed the house of saud would probably be over thrown by somebody but more importantly from the US perspective the dollar would collapse

this deal will survive no matter what happens - trump or no trump.

so the Saudis get a better deal than anybody including but not limited to getting Saudi VIPs (the bin ladens) out of the US after 9/11 during the 3 day no fly order.
I'll wager Enda Kenny couldn't swing that for Denis O'Brien.

Very well put. Also Saudi Arabia is arguably the biggest element in promoting radical Islamism but yet they get left completely off the hook in Trump's travel ban.

This has everything to do with theatre and looking tough and nothing to do with security or defence. This is horribly divisive stuff and those backing Trump on this would want to take a good hard look at themselves.

Butters1979 · 30-01-2017 10:47am

We already have 2 other threads banging on about Trump and his immigration policies. This is supposed to be about a Mosk attack in Canada. Why are we still talking about travel restrictions for the saudi's?

The very first reply in this thread was someone blaming Trump.

Varik · 30-01-2017 10:50am

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Wisely, the Irish government doesn't let our basement dwellers anywhere near immigration policy.

The Irish government bend whenever there's any sizeable (vote effecting ) backlash, it's why water charges are gone and why "repeal the 8th" isn't going anywhere.

Hande hoche! · 30-01-2017 10:51am

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Or that slaughtered shopkeeper in Glasgow last year.

Had forgotten about him, poor lad.

MRnotlob606 · 30-01-2017 10:52am

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

SOme right wing nut taking comfort from Trumps Xenophobia

Maybe you should remain incognito until you stop making baseless, unfounded claims without any substance.

Butters1979 · 30-01-2017 10:58am

Has anyone a source for the details of the shooters? I heard one was Morrocon but can't find anything on it. Also is it true one of the shooters rang the police because 'he felt bad' ?

Elemonator · 30-01-2017 11:02am

Yourself isit wrote: »

Eh. This is Canada. Eh

Trumps line of thought is not confined by borders.

skankkuvhima · 30-01-2017 11:04am

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

SOme right wing nut taking comfort from Trumps Xenophobia

I love this, the glee when you think you can hang this on Trump and then the crickets when it might be other muslims.

Widdershins · 30-01-2017 11:07am

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Or that slaughtered shopkeeper in Glasgow last year.

Just after the story broke, the Muslim friends I was talking to knew it wasn't about what the media were implying, and one of them directed me to a video of Asad Shah rambling about being a prophet. Other Muslims warned him in the comments section to be careful, and pointed out that the poor man wasn't well (and that they hoped there wouldn't be repercussions for him, because he didn't know what he was saying). It was really chilling to sit there reading it for the first time, in light of what happened to the poor man.

_Kaiser_ · 30-01-2017 11:13am

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Morocco is on the list?

Trump has about as much of a clue as the average cowardly terrorist enabler on boards.ie

Wisely, the Irish government doesn't let our basement dwellers anywhere near immigration policy.

You might want to have a read of what's going on with Zappone and Fitzgerald's immigration policies then as they're busily arranging transport and accommodation for some of the Calais camp "refugees"

Zappone is already on record as saying she wishes she could "sweep them up and bring them home" in regards to "refugees" in Greece. That's a pretty dangerous mindset given the problems we've seen elsewhere in Europe - not to mention her budget for the exercise is being taken from resources already needed at home.

I fear it's only a matter of time before we start seeing reports (probably only on social media as well) of some "incidents" on Irish soil as well. By then of course it'll be too late.

Unfortunately, whether it's Canada, Germany, Sweden, or the UK is irrelevant. There's a common underlying issue here that's being ignored in the pursuit of liberal humanitarianism and social media high-fiving, and it's a problem that'll only get worse as long as this is ignored and anyone voicing concern is shouted down.

arayess · 30-01-2017 11:26am

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

You might want to have a read of what's going on with Zappone and Fitzgerald's immigration policies then as they're busily arranging transport and accommodation for some of the Calais camp "refugees"

Zappone is already on record as saying she wishes she could "sweep them up and bring them home" in regards to "refugees" in Greece. That's a pretty dangerous mindset given the problems we've seen elsewhere in Europe - not to mention her budget for the exercise is being taken from resources already needed at home.

I fear it's only a matter of time before we start seeing reports (probably only on social media as well) of some "incidents" on Irish soil as well. By then of course it'll be too late.

Unfortunately, whether it's Canada, Germany, Sweden, or the UK is irrelevant. There's a common underlying issue here that's being ignored in the pursuit of liberal humanitarianism and social media high-fiving, and it's a problem that'll only get worse as long as this is ignored and anyone voicing concern is shouted down.

zappone a nutcase....drunk on her own self importance...
she wants us to wade into a row with the US over something that has no connection to ireland.
the sooner she is away from power the better for us all.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/remove-us-officials-from-irish-airports-minister-35407606.htmlhttp://www.independent.ie/irish-news/remove-us-officials-from-irish-airports-minister-35407606.html

_Kaiser_ · 30-01-2017 11:34am

arayess wrote: »

zappone a nutcase....drunk on her own self importance...
she wants us top wade into a row with the US over something that has no connection to ireland.
the sooner she is away from power the better for us all.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/remove-us-officials-from-irish-airports-minister-35407606.htmlhttp://www.independent.ie/irish-news/remove-us-officials-from-irish-airports-minister-35407606.html

Hadn't seen that one.. so Zappone (a US native) wants Ireland to engage in a tit-for-tat game with the US because she disagrees with who became President in her homeland?

She's more than entitled to disagree with him, but not to use OUR country in her personal crusade (but as I said above, she has form there already too).

She says (on the idea of removing the permission of US immigration officials to operate here):

"I think the Irish people would be in favour of that and certainly the Irish-Americans would be favour of that as well," she said.

How exactly does she know that? Was there a poll I missed? Who does she think she is and why is it being tolerated??! - oh wait, I momentarily forgot who's "leading" the current Government. :rolleyes:

Enda Kenny's quest to become Taoiseach again at any cost (including giving Zappone a platform and ministry to use for her personal agenda) may cost us all dearly yet.

Widdershins · 30-01-2017 11:39am

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Hadn't seen that one.. so Zappone (a US native) wants Ireland to engage in a tit-for-tat game with the US because she disagrees with who became President in her homeland?

She's more than entitled to disagree with him, but not to use OUR country in her personal crusade (but as I said above, she has form there already too).

Enda Kenny's quest to become Taoiseach again at any cost (including giving Zappone a platform and ministry to use for her personal agenda) may cost us all dearly yet.

She's more of an activist than a politician. Personal crusade is spot on.

_Kaiser_ · 30-01-2017 11:51am

Widdershins wrote: »

She's more of an activist than a politician. Personal crusade is spot on.

I'd have to say though.. as bad as the likes of the Healy Rae's are (and I despite the parochial gombeenism that rules national politics in this country), they're nowhere near as dangerous to the country as Zappone has proven to be.

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