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Hail To The Chief (Read Mod Warning In OP)

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  • #4322
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Billy86 wrote: »
    It's Mexico calling Trump's bluff, and we all know how Trump reacts to snubs and challenges. This is only going to make matters worse, and bring things one step closer to war. You seem grand with that, but most of us aren't.

    At least he'll have all the top brass at the Department of State and their years and years of experience to help him to smooth over this faux pas with Mexico.

    Oh wait…


  • #4323
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    listermint wrote: »
    There is not double standards here. You are making that up.

    The only double standards here are you.

    Your giving Trump a free pass.

    Laughable.

    Your not even bothering reading posts stating this.


    I see double standards here all the time.

    Don't mention Obama as if being president made Obama irrelevant to his successor.

    You clearly did not read mine as I never mentioned the election or Hillary.

    I have not given Trump a free pass.
    He is only in working day 4 of his presidency. I have to give him a chance and only then when I have facts and figures on his bombing campaigns, can I say how awful he is.
    Let it be noted I already believe I will be highly critical, as I posted earlier -
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102411687&postcount=4291
    Trump like Obama and their predecessors will continue to commit a lot of crimes, but some think Democrat equals better than Republican, when in fact both parties have been and are involved in mass slaughter that seems never ending.

    Yet you say i do not read your posts and I gave Trump a free pass.
    I just think a lot of people decided to close off their conscience and be blind towards Obama and now with Trump they have decided to have a conscience and open their eyes.
    I welcome people finding their conscience, because many were like the people who decide who wins the Nobel peace prize, they gave it to Obama, didn't bother waiting to see to see that he would end being a record breaking president when it came to war.
    You and other believe like the Nobel committee we should decide on what a person says, and not by what they do.
    It is only working day 4, I posted in the quote above what I believe will happen, but to make a proper judgment I have to wait and see.
    It is like having a load of ingredients and deciding the end product is going to be great, only to find it has been burnt to a cinder.
    I will give better judgment in a year's time when we start getting statistics on his first year.


  • #4324
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    RobertKK wrote: »
    I have not given Trump a free pass.
    He is only in working day 4 of his presidency. I have to give him a chance and only then when I have facts and figures on his bombing campaigns, can I say how awful he is.
    Let it be noted I already believe I will be highly critical, as I posted earlier -
    The thing to remember is, regardless of who's in power the Americans will be bombing the middle east. Maybe democrats or republicans bomb it a bit less or more but the bombing will continue. It's an american policy, not the president's.


  • #4325
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    ScumLord wrote: »
    I never even mentioned those date. The American military have been experimenting with drones for decades, long before 2002. There are a number of technologies that could be considered drone technology that go all the way back to before WW2. At one point they tried making missiles guided by pigeons.

    But I think it would be naive to think there's been no progress made in drone technology since 2002. The better they get the more their used. Comparing the first use of a new technology to how it's used as a tried and tested technology just isn't a fair comparison.

    You want to make out that Obama suddenly had drones that Bush did not have, to the point Obama could use more drones in his first year compared to to all of Bush's presidency, despite the US using drones for the previous 7 years.


  • #4326
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,445 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    B0jangles wrote: »
    For anyone who's interested, Bernhard Langer has actually issued a statement on this:

    https://twitter.com/WillGrayGC/status/824659537852407808/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    Trump is basing his election fraud narrative on an honest-to-god Urban Legend

    Trump was watching o'reilly factor the other night when they were talking about deaths in Chicago and what needed to be done like sending in feds

    Immediately trump tweeted out the statistics that o'reilly put up on screen and said if something isn't done he would send in the feds..

    That's the us president in 2017, a guy who gets his info from a political talking head show posing as news. Would be the equivalent of the UK pm getting her sources from the daily mail or Kenny from the Sunday world


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  • #4327
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    RobertKK wrote: »
    You want to make out that Obama suddenly had drones that Bush did not have, to the point Obama could use more drones in his first year compared to to all of Bush's presidency, despite the US using drones for the previous 7 years.
    No, I clearly never said that. What I'm saying is the technology got better and more useful. It proved itself over that time and they moved more and more towards drone strikes. At some point there had to be a transition and that happened under Obama.


  • #4328
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    ScumLord wrote: »
    The thing to remember is, regardless of who's in power the Americans will be bombing the middle east. Maybe democrats or republicans bomb it a bit less or more but the bombing will continue. It's an american policy, not the president's.

    It is a policy the US could change if they wanted.

    The Republican and the Democrats are basically the same apart from things like guns, abortion, same sex marriage.
    Foreign policy does not change, and if Trump doesn't do what his predecessors failed to do which is change course, then the disaster continues.


  • #4329
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    RobertKK wrote: »
    You want to make out that Obama suddenly had drones that Bush did not have, to the point Obama could use more drones in his first year compared to to all of Bush's presidency, despite the US using drones for the previous 7 years.

    You remember how easy it was to stream HD video while downloading gigabytes of data simultaneously every hour back in 1995? You must, because the internet existed back then too.


  • #4330
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Firefox11 wrote: »
    Are you joking?? :eek:

    Trump has already made massive changes in regards to climate change, immigration etc in just the first few days of his term!

    He is squaring of for confrontation or at least a serious foreign policy crisis with the chinese in regards to trade or in the south china sea.

    I uh, never said otherwise?


  • #4331
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    ScumLord wrote: »
    No, I clearly never said that. What I'm saying is the technology got better and more useful. It proved itself over that time and they moved more and more towards drone strikes. At some point there had to be a transition and that happened under Obama.

    Yes it got better, but Obama was saying in 2008 in the presidential debates he was going to use more drones.
    I have to admit at the time I supported it, but I did not know it was going to be to the extent it was.

    Just as Trump said he was going to build a wall, restrict access tot he US from certain countries, replace and repeal Obamacare.


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  • #4332
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    RobertKK wrote: »
    It is a policy the US could change if they wanted.

    The Republican and the Democrats are basically the same apart from things like guns, abortion, same sex marriage.
    Foreign policy does not change, and if Trump doesn't do what his predecessors failed to do which is change course, then the disaster continues.

    Foreign policy absolutely does change. It is simply nonsensical and an abdication of fact to suggest otherwise. Excesses exist in both sides, failings of course the same, but to suggest that there is no change is just flatly wrong.

    Meanwhile foreign policy under trump has already lead to an exodus of the State Departments top officials according to reports. Trump has already alienated many of his countries most important and long term allies including Mexico and Germany.

    He is defunding the UN. He has attacked the European Union. He has saber rattled against China. He is as we type causing an extreme confrontation with Mexico. He turned his back on his South East Asian allies. If you weren't so concerned with Obama you might notice these things Robert.


  • #4333
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Billy86 wrote: »
    You remember how easy it was to stream HD video while downloading gigabytes of data simultaneously every hour back in 1995? You must, because the internet existed back then too.

    So?

    The first drones killings started in 2002, and the technology to fly had been around for many decades.
    They added remote control and used their GPS system.
    Reinventing the wheel comes to mind.


  • #4334
    Il Fascista
    Closed Accounts Posts: 199 ✭✭Il Fascista


    I won't be able to sleep after this news. Thanks Trump.



  • #4335
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    RobertKK wrote: »
    So?

    The first drones killings started in 2002, and the technology to fly had been around for many decades.
    They added remote control and used their GPS system.
    Reinventing the wheel comes to mind.

    They could have powered them with steam engines as well.


  • #4336
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Foreign policy absolutely does change. It is simply nonsensical and an abdication of fact to suggest otherwise. Excesses exist in both sides, failings of course the same, but to suggest that there is no change is just flatly wrong.

    Meanwhile foreign policy under trump has already lead to an exodus of the State Departments top officials according to reports. Trump has already alienated many of his countries most important and long term allies including Mexico and Germany.

    He is defunding the UN. He has attacked the European Union. He has saber rattled against China. He is as we type causing an extreme confrontation with Mexico. He turned his back on his South East Asian allies. If you weren't so concerned with Obama you might notice these things Robert.

    He saber rattles with China, I remember all your posts saying Obama sabre rattled when he had US navy ships sailing very close to the Chinese man made islands in international waters, which led to a submersible drone being captured by the Chinese.

    Look at the UK, so alienated, that Mrs May is meeting Trump. Enda Kenny who dismissed Trump as he thought Her would win, but yet he is going to meet Trump in March.
    All talk because they see Trump as being unpopular and so they play politics.
    A lot of knickers in a twist as they picked the wrong winner.


  • #4337
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    RobertKK wrote: »
    He saber rattles with China, I remember all your posts saying Obama sabre rattled when he had US navy ships sailing very close to the Chinese man made islands in international waters, which led to a submersible drone being captured by the Chinese.

    Look at the UK, so alienated, that Mrs May is meeting Trump. Enda Kenny who dismissed Trump as he thought Her would win, but yet he is going to meet Trump in March.
    All talk because they see Trump as being unpopular and so they play politics.
    A lot of knickers in a twist as they picked the wrong winner.

    but obama


  • #4338
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    They could have powered them with steam engines as well.

    Really?

    How many steam engine powered military equipment does the US have?


  • #4339
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    but obama

    Case in point, you bring up China, but when told it has been ongoing.

    That is your response. It was no problem when Obama had navy ships sailing close to the man made islands.
    The double standards I have mentioned being played out.


  • #4340
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    RobertKK wrote: »
    So?

    The first drones killings started in 2002, and the technology to fly had been around for many decades.
    They added remote control and used their GPS system.
    Reinventing the wheel comes to mind.
    So if you are claiming drones were as widely available and advanced years before Obama took office, then you are claiming the internet was also as widely available and advanced years before now. It's kind of blatantly obviously trying to deny how technology gets more advanced with time, and it's kind of hilarious that you think anybody will fall for that.


  • #4341
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Really?

    How many steam engine powered military equipment does the US have?

    The same amount of drones which are just jets with RC car and a GPS chip stuffed inside.

    Engineering is complicated. The US military makes sure there is always research funding for new toys to kill more people. Then they have to prove that it works. They aren't going to replace all their old equipment straight away until the new technology has been trialed.


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  • #4342
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Billy86 wrote: »
    So if you are claiming drones were as widely available and advanced years before Obama took office, then you are claiming the internet was also as widely available and advanced years before now. It's kind of blatantly obviously trying to deny how technology gets more advanced with time, and it's kind of hilarious that you think anybody will fall for that.

    It's enjoyable to read though!


  • #4343
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Billy86 wrote: »
    So if you are claiming drones were as widely available and advanced years before Obama took office, then you are claiming the internet was also as widely available and advanced years before now. It's kind of blatantly obviously trying to deny how technology gets more advanced with time, and it's kind of hilarious that you think anybody will fall for that.

    Who denied technology gets more advanced over time?
    It is easy to be like Trump and make things up.
    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    It's enjoyable to read though!

    Nice to see you post rather than always just thanking :)


  • #4344
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,434 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Bobber has managed to achieve what he set out. The thread is now about drones.


    Not Trump.


    Well done Bob it worked you engaged everyone into that utter drivel.

    Well played my man. I see through it however


  • #4345
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Yes it got better, but Obama was saying in 2008 in the presidential debates he was going to use more drones.
    I have to admit at the time I supported it, but I did not know it was going to be to the extent it was.
    I just don't see what the difference is to the people on the ground. It makes no difference whether they get blown up by a plane with a pilot, or a plane controlled remotely. The only difference it makes is to the AMerican people, they can feel a little better that their military personnel aren't in danger of being fired upon.

    If you're saying Obama did more airstrikes in total that's a different thing, but your not saying that, you're just focusing on the method. That makes no difference really.


  • #4346
    Butters1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Butters1979


    I see the Mexican president has scrapped his meeting with Trump. After Trump threatened to scrap the meeting in a tweet. There's gonna be a very different style of diplomacy from now on.


  • #4347
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,434 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Butters1979 wrote: »
    I see the Mexican president has scrapped his meeting with Trump. After Trump threatened to scrap the meeting in a tweet. There's gonna be a very different style of diplomacy from now on.

    Yeah moronic, tweeting about international meetings.

    Moronic and dangerous


  • #4348
    donvito99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Butters1979 wrote: »
    I see the Mexican president has scrapped his meeting with Trump. After Trump threatened to scrap the meeting in a tweet. There's gonna be a very different style of diplomacy from now on.

    Diplomats are finished. It's all about headbangers now. And the language of head banging is Trump-speak, in honour of Mr Orwell.


  • #4349
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,290 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Butters1979 wrote: »
    I see the Mexican president has scrapped his meeting with Trump. After Trump threatened to scrap the meeting in a tweet. There's gonna be a very different style of diplomacy from now on.

    Different as in none at all it would seem

    The State Department’s entire senior administrative team just resigned


  • #4350
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Who denied technology gets more advanced over time?
    It is easy to be like Trump and make things up.
    You did, by trying to make out that drones were as freely and widely available and effectively made during Bush's tenure as they were during Obama's. Seriously, you should change tact, it's getting a little embarrassing to even read at this point.




    So getting back on topic from your latest attempt to deflect by claiming Trump is pretty much just the same, why do you think the senior members of the state department quit today?


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  • #4351
    Butters1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Butters1979


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Different as in none at all it would seem

    The State Department’s entire senior administrative team just resigned

    Ha. Good. Time for change. Drain the swamp.

    @listermint you're starting to sound a bit manic. Calm down. It's just a boards discussion.


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