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Jelle1880

Do people think Trump will scratch the drone program ?

The man who said to kill the families of terrorists ?

A Little Pony

Leroy42 wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Lots of them too, actual video evidence of it too. Obama didn't have a clue what he was doing regarding the military.

And?  So what, he is gone.

So the answer is torture?

The point is liberals had no issue with Obama using drone strikes. So why can't Trump implement his own policies?

MightyMandarin

RobertKK wrote: »

Obama just killed them with drones.

A Little Pony wrote: »

Lots of them too, actual video evidence of it too. Obama didn't have a clue what he was doing regarding the military.

So I imagine Trump has a plan to stop the drone strikes, right? The same man who said we need to 'cut ISIS off at the head' and 'take out their families'. You think the man who appointed James 'Mad Dog' Mattis is gonna stop them?

lol at your faux outrage.

RobertKK

Leroy42 wrote: »

And? So what, he is gone.

So the answer is torture?

Obama is gone, but people are ignoring what replaced Guantanamo was far worse, and that the people in the video would not be in the video under Obama's policy, and they are alive because Bush had Guantanamo.
Yes they should have been given a trial and treated properly, but when people complain about Trump and a change in policy, they are in fact condemning people like those in the video to near certain death, if Obama's policies continue with no change under Trump.

seamus

Not a hope he'll scratch the drone program. Drone attacks have already taken place during his presidency. I wouldn't be surprised if he expands it far beyond tactical strikes and uses them for more general operations.

Jelle1880

A Little Pony wrote: »

The point is liberals had no issue with Obama using drone strikes. So why can't Trump implement his own policies?

Bull****. There was plenty of opposition to it.

jobbridge4life

This is surreal... 'but Obama', 'but her emails'.

MightyMandarin

RobertKK wrote: »

Obama is gone, but people are ignoring what replaced Guantanamo was far worse, and that the people in the video would not be in the video under Obama's policy, and they are alive because Bush had Guantanamo.
Yes they should have been given a trial and treated properly, but when people complain about Trump and a change in policy, they are in fact condemning people like those in the video to near certain death, if Obama's policies continue with no change under Trump.

So they should thank Bush for the great hospitality they had when they were locked up for years without a trial? Considering some of the things they saw and felt, I'm not sure I'd even want to live if it meant going through Guantanomo.

A Little Pony

Jelle1880 wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

The point is liberals had no issue with Obama using drone strikes. So why can't Trump implement his own policies?

Bull****. There was plenty of opposition to it.

So why wasn't he hated for it then? Double standards. If you can do a nice PC speech, you can get away with anything.

RobertKK

MightyMandarin wrote: »

So I imagine Trump has a plan to stop the drone strikes, right? The same man who said we need to 'cut ISIS off at the head' and 'take out their families'.

lol at your faux outrage.

It would be a start if they were reduced, and a capture policy became the main focus.

One will find I have spoken out against the drone wars for many years.
It is not sudden outrage, unless one believes in summary justice, and to quote you "No trial, no evidence, no chance to give their side of the story" and just killed in a drone strike.

It seems you are only outraged with no trial and the rest of that quote, if those conditions are under a Republican president.
It is double standards.

jobbridge4life

MightyMandarin wrote: »

So they should thank Bush for the great hospitality they had when they were locked up for years without a trial? Considering some of the things they saw and felt, I'm not sure I'd even want to live if it meant going through Guantanomo.

Many several of the detainees didn't. There were suicides at the camp.

MightyMandarin

A Little Pony wrote: »

The point is liberals had no issue with Obama using drone strikes. So why can't Trump implement his own policies?

But..but..dem Liberals....

jobbridge4life

A Little Pony wrote: »

So why wasn't he hated for it then? Double standards. If you can do a nice PC speech, you can get away with anything.

So having tried the 'but Obama' schtick and had it fail you are now resorting to the 'PC' claptrap.

Jelle1880

A Little Pony wrote: »

So why wasn't he hated for it then? Double standards. If you can do a nice PC speech, you can get away with anything.

Because people know there is more to a president than just one program ?

MightyMandarin

RobertKK wrote: »

It would be a start if they were reduced, and a capture policy became the main focus.

One will find I have spoken out against the drone wars for many years.
It is not sudden outrage, unless one believes in summary justice, and to quote you "No trial, no evidence, no chance to give their side of the story" and just killed in a drone strike.

It seems you are only outraged with no trial and the rest of that quote, if those conditions are under a Republican president.
It is double standards.

Neatly side-stepping the argument there Robert...

I'll repeat it so, do you honestly think Trump is going to stop the drone strikes, despite all the rhetoric and the actions he's taken which point to the contrary?

RobertKK

MightyMandarin wrote: »

So they should thank Bush for the great hospitality they had when they were locked up for years without a trial? Considering some of the things they saw and felt, I'm not sure I'd even want to live if it meant going through Guantanomo.

They shouldn't thank Bush as they were not treated humanely. They should only be thankful they were captured and and are still alive to tell their story, unlike the people who are killed in drone strikes and who get no trial.

Do you think it would be better to be a family member and maybe witness family members blown to bits instead?

jobbridge4life

RobertKK wrote: »

They shouldn't thank Bush as they were not treated humanely. They should only be thankful they were captured and and are still alive to tell their story, unlike the people who are killed in drone strikes and who get no trial.

Do you think it would be better to be a family member and maybe witness family members blown to bits instead?

The current POTUS has already droned people.

A Little Pony

Jelle1880 wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

So why wasn't he hated for it then? Double standards. If you can do a nice PC speech, you can get away with anything.

Because people know there is more to a president than just one program ?

Civil liberties regarding spying on citizens don't forget. Obama did plenty of dodgy things, Lord Trump will carry out his own policies but will get judged differently.

RobertKK

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Neatly side-stepping the argument there Robert...

I'll repeat it so, do you honestly think Trump is going to stop the drone strikes, despite all the rhetoric and the actions he's taken which point to the contrary?

How can I answer what I do not know?

I said what I believed, I would hope a capture policy would take precedence over the drone wars. How can I post about a policy that does not have meat on it?

You totally ignored your double standards of what Obama did and which I hope Trump now rows back on with a capture policy.

All we got by those of us who believed the treatment of prisoners in Guantanamo being wrong, was to have similar people blown to bits instead in the covert drone wars - which I believe was worse as it was summary justice, and no chance to be freed in the future as they are dead.
But capturing them is worse...

Billy86

RobertKK wrote: »

Obama is gone, but people are ignoring what replaced Guantanamo was far worse, and that the people in the video would not be in the video under Obama's policy, and they are alive because Bush had Guantanamo.
Yes they should have been given a trial and treated properly, but when people complain about Trump and a change in policy, they are in fact condemning people like those in the video to near certain death, if Obama's policies continue with no change under Trump.

Are you referring to the same Guantanamo Bay that is still open today, or the drone strikes that started in 2004?

Meanwhile if not for Bush they probably wouldn't be in the region, and now under Trump we can be confident they'll be going back twice as hard.

RobertKK

jobbridge4life wrote: »

The current POTUS has already droned people.

We can compare figure s when we can get more substantial data later.

Last year the US under Nobel peace prize winner Barack Obama dropped over 26,000 bombs, compared to over 29,000 the previous year.

MightyMandarin

RobertKK wrote: »

How can I answer what I do not know?

I said what I believed, I would hope a capture policy would take precedence over the drone wars. How can I post about a policy that does not have meat on it?

You totally ignored your double standards of what Obama did and which I hope Trump now rows back on with a capture policy.

All we got by those of us who believed the treatment of prisoners in Guantanamo being wrong, was to have similar people blown to bits instead in the covert drone wars - which I believe was worse as it was summary justice, and no chance to be freed in the future as they are dead.
But capturing them is worse...

Capturing and having them tortured indiscriminately is indeed worse imo.

RobertKK

Billy86 wrote: »

Are you referring to the same Guantanamo Bay that is still open today, or the drone strikes that started in 2004?

Meanwhile if not for Bush they probably wouldn't be in the region, and now under Trump we can be confident they'll be going back twice as hard.

Guantanamo is down to about 40 prisoners.

It is well documented that when Obama took power, the number of drone strikes increased massively, which he had said he would do in the debates with McCain.

Drones were always coming to the war scene, it is how they are deployed that is the contentious issue.

RobertKK

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Capturing and having them tortured indiscriminately is indeed worse imo.

So it is better they are killed in drone strikes is what you are implying, despite your video post and words about "No trial, no evidence, no chance to give their side of the story,"
Can we put it down to you having faux outrage?

Trigger

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/824615820391305216

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/824616644370714627

Someone really needs to change his password on twitter

jobbridge4life

RobertKK wrote: »

We can compare figure s when we can get more substantial data later.

Last year the US under Nobel peace prize winner Barack Obama dropped over 26,000 bombs, compared to over 29,000 the previous year.

Obama is gone Robert. He is finished. His legacy will be judged. Right now we have a President droning people, promising to re-instigate torture.

Priorities Robert.

Zubeneschamali

A Little Pony wrote: »

He is only putting the illegal votes thing out to distract people as he is getting stuff done without much hassle.

No, it's clear that Donald really is obsessed with the fact that he did not win the popular vote. It really burns.

Because he has Narcissitic Personality Disorder:

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultraconfidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

Grandiose NPs

Grandiose narcissists are less sensitive and more confident. They know they are superior and will seek revenge or go into a vicious rage against those who don't treat them with respect or dare to give them negative feedback. They appear to have no sense of shame about themselves and truly have very high self-esteem. Their parents or caregivers may have treated them as superior from early childhood, so unlike VNs, they are not compensating for anything. They're simply acting out their expectations.


They don't care as much about how their partners see them and may easily walk out of the relationship if they don't get the respect and admiration they know they deserve. They may openly have multiple relationships/affairs and pride themselves on how many people see how wonderful they are. Like people with antisocial personality disorder (ASPD), they can be very aggressive and dominance-seeking without empathy or remorse.

ScumLord

Billy86 wrote: »

Are you referring to the same Guantanamo Bay that is still open today, or the drone strikes that started in 2004?

I don't really get the criticism over drone strikes. Of course there were a lot of them under Obama, the technology became more available under Obama and the whole point of the drones is to send them instead of soldiers and pilots.

MightyMandarin

RobertKK wrote: »

So it is better they are killed in drone strikes is what you are implying, despite your video post and words about "No trial, no evidence, no chance to give their side of the story,"
Can we put it down to you having faux outrage?

I'm not advocating for either. If they're going to be 'captured' at least give them a fair trial but you haven't advocated for it at all.

Where is my faux outrage? I'm as annoyed by Obama's policy of Drone Strikes as I am with Bush's policy of torture and Trump's plans to return to that.

You still haven't said whether you think Trump will stop the drone strikes and you continue to ignore that point.

Zubeneschamali

Billy86 wrote: »

Meanwhile if not for Bush they probably wouldn't be in the region, and now under Trump we can be confident they'll be going back twice as hard.

Trump has already said the Americans may get another chance to take Iraq's oil.

I think he was just rambling on, saying whatever came into his head the way he does, like threatening war with China without meaning to, but he may actually be blabbing stuff his staff have discussed. Someone with his level of self-importance and grandiosity will be quite unable to keep grand plans secret, he will yell them at the first microphone he sees.