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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Grayson wrote: »
    Was watching this and found out that Spicer had a twitter feud with an ice cream company.




    Edit: Here's a story about the tweets.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/press-secretary-sean-spicer-vs-dippin-dots-ice-cream/
    FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS!! 3:10 FAKE F*CKING NEWS, BUDDY!!

    Wayne Campbell wasn't even at that press conference and you expect us to believe this sh*t? :rolleyes:

    We're through the looking glass, people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    One method of paying for the wall is to tax money being sent to Mexico. There are three groups who can supply this money.

    The illegals who will be gone thanks to the wall.

    The legals who are left can cross the border, carrying money or not bothering to go north at all because as all good republicans know, taxes discourage work.

    This just leaves American businesses who import, and again as good republicans we know taxes destroy businesses.

    Even with this taxed money, why not spend it on healthcare or education?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,160 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    The South will rise again under Lord Trump. They love him just like Bobby Lee!

    And the mask slips...well, if it was still there to begin with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    One method of paying for the wall is to tax money being sent to Mexico. There are three groups who can supply this money.

    The illegals who will be gone thanks to the wall.

    The legals who are left can cross the border, carrying money or not bothering to go north at all because as all good republicans know, taxes discourage work.

    This just leaves American businesses who import, and again as good republicans we know taxes destroy businesses.

    Even with this taxed money, why not spend it on healthcare or education?

    Apparently one idea that's being circulated is to cut off aid that goes there. The aid is sent by departments like homeland security and is used to fight the cartels. So they cut it off and use it to build the wall. So america pays but Mexico pays by not getting money sent to them.

    Of course that would further destabilise central america and probably lead to more people trying to make their way across.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    gandalf wrote: »
    Given there are around 5000 US military personal and another 7000 US contractors still in Iraq any statements by Trump about grabbing Iraqi oil adds more risk to their well being.

    Plus there's the fact that it's a bad policy to have. If Trump even puts it on the table then it's government policy.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    And before I head to bed, I'll leave you with this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,684 ✭✭✭FatherTed


    Whatever about Trumps statements, whether you believe them to be completely wrong or somewhat founded, I would not take a single thing that comes out of McCain's mouth concerning the Iraq war with any substance.


    Well to be fair, McCain was talking about alternative facts....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    Grayson wrote: »
    Apparently one idea that's being circulated is to cut off aid that goes there. The aid is sent by departments like homeland security and is used to fight the cartels. So they cut it off and use it to build the wall. So america pays but Mexico pays by not getting money sent to them.

    Of course that would further destabilise central america and probably lead to more people trying to make their way across.

    That still leads to the question, why spend the money on the wall? Why not put the money into supporting veterans? Why do they hate those who sacrificed so that they may have freedom?

    They can use that aid to try and stop the cartels themselves, so yet again, that money will be used up elsewhere anyway and Mexico becomes a worse place to live.

    I wonder how long it will take for them to realise that the government wasn't handing out money for the good of mankind.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,958 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    gandalf wrote: »
    Wasn't one of the major problems that Trump had with Hilary the so-called email scandal.

    So how is this different.
    Senior Trump administration staffers including Kellyanne Conway, Jared Kushner, Sean Spicer and Steve Bannon have active accounts on a Republican National Committee email system, Newsweek has learned.

    The system (rnchq.org) is the same one the George W. Bush administration was accused of using to evade transparency rules after claiming to have “lost” 22 million emails.

    http://europe.newsweek.com/trump-emails-rnc-reince-priebus-white-house-server-548191?rm=eu

    They aren't even trying to hide their hypocrisy. This gets better and better.
    Hmm. From that article:
    "[font=Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif]Making use of separate political email accounts at the White House is not illegal. In fact, they serve a purpose by allowing staff to divide political conversations (say, arranging for the president to support a congressional re-election campaign) from actual White House work. Commingling politics and state business violates the Hatch Act, which restricts many executive branch employees from engaging in political activity on government time."[/font]
    Having the account isn't a problem. Where Clinton went wrong was handling her State Dept work on the non-State Dept server. No indication here that this sort of thing has happened.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭FA Hayek


    Much of what is emerging on the internet or on shows like SNL or the Comedy Channel is just noise.

    I have always been sceptical of the claim by the likes of Fox that the Mainstream media had a liberal bias.

    If anyone had any doubts if these are biased, then I think its been put to bed clearly after the past few weeks.


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  • Posts: 18,047 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Pretty good write up of Trump's powers here and what can stop him.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/5q5yr6/donald_trump_to_sign_executive_order_to/dcx6oot

    It's worth noting that contributions to the UN haven't been reduced. He just signed some sort of proposal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,712 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Summary of yesterdays executive orders (I thought those were EEEEVIL things only the KenyanMuslimDiscipleOfAlinsky did... oh wait IOKIYAR)

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/01/25/today_in_trump_s_america_was_the_worst_day_yet.html

    I especially like the 'removable aliens' phrase. Kind of like what they did to Ripley in Alien 4 after cloning her up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    Do you want an insight into where Trump is getting his information about rampant voter fraud?

    According to multiple witnesses, it comes from such reliable sources as mis-remembered anecdotes from people like professional golfer Bernhard Langer

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/us/politics/trump-bernhard-langer-voting-fraud.html?_r=0&referer=https://t.co/MU5TAHryYL
    WASHINGTON — On Monday, President Trump gathered House and Senate leaders in the State Dining Room for a get-to-know-you reception, served them tiny meatballs and pigs-in-a-blanket, and quickly launched into a story meant to illustrate what he believes to be rampant, unchecked voter fraud.

    Mr. Trump kicked off the meeting, participants said, by retelling his debunked claim that he would have won the popular vote if not for the three million to five million ballots cast by “illegals.” He followed it up with a Twitter post early Wednesday calling for a major investigation into voter fraud.

    When one of the Democrats protested, Mr. Trump said he was told a story by “the very famous golfer, Bernhard Langer,” whom he described as a friend, according to three staff members who were in the room for the meeting.

    In the emerging Trump era, the story was a memorable example, for the legislators and the country, of how an off-the-cuff yarn — unverifiable and of confusing origin — became a prime policy mover for a president whose fact-gathering owes more to the oral tradition than the written word.

    The three witnesses recalled Mr. Langer being the protagonist of the story, although a White House official claimed the president had been telling a story relayed to the golfer by one of Mr. Langer’s friends.

    The witnesses described the story this way: Mr. Langer, a 59-year-old native of Bavaria, Germany — a winner of the Masters twice and of more than 100 events on major professional golf tours around the world — was standing in line at a polling place near his home in Florida on Election Day, the president explained, when an official informed Mr. Langer he would not be able to vote.

    Ahead of and behind Mr. Langer were voters who did not look as if they should be allowed to vote, Mr. Trump said, according to the staff members — but they were nonetheless permitted to cast provisional ballots. The president threw out the names of Latin American countries that the voters might have come from.

    Mr. Langer, whom he described as a supporter, left feeling frustrated, according to a version of events later contradicted by a White House official.


    ...Just one problem: Mr. Langer, who lives in Boca Raton, Fla., is a German citizen with permanent residence status in the United States who is, by law, barred from voting, according to Mr. Langer’s daughter Christina.

    “He is a citizen of Germany,” she said, when reached on her father’s cellphone. “He is not a friend of President Trump’s, and I don’t know why he would talk about him.”


    She said her father was “very busy” and would not be able to answer any questions.

    But a senior White House staff member, who was not at the Monday reception but has heard Mr. Trump tell the story, said Mr. Langer saw Mr. Trump in Florida during the Thanksgiving break and told him the story of a friend of Mr. Langer’s who had been blocked from voting.

    So an investigation must take place based on a garbled racist (see underlined part) urban legend that Trump has repeated multiple times


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,483 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Trump is bringing back torture by the sounds of it. Curiously in his interview he claimed the CIA told him it "absolutely works". Also seems that his policy of using torture is more as a punishment than intelligence gathering. "We need to fight fire with fire" and "they get to behead people and we can't do anything". Trump fans will be delighted no doubt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 910 ✭✭✭BlinkingLights


    Meanwhile, his tipped ambassador to the EU is busily talking down the Euro and suggesting people should short it.

    That statement on torture is absolutely disgusting to be perfectly honest. It is something that shouldn't be something any civilised country does. It does nothing other than thow up more and more hostility.

    Basically, he looks increasingly like one of the new batch of authoritarian dictators. It's unfortunately, very similar rhetoric to Erdoğan and Duterte.

    Hopefully, most of his crazy will be limited by the checks and balances on his power but, it really is a very depressing development to see the US presidency turned into this.

    He made a statement during the interview that "the world is a mess" and went on and on about his dark, scary, miserable view of the world. That's the problem with this guy : it's all about stoking fear and focusing on extreemely negative messaging.

    I had hoped it was largely campaign rhetoric but if looks like he really does have that view of the world.

    We've gone from Obama's "hopey changey" stuff as Sarah Palin called it to some kind of deeply negative view of absolutely everything. He seems to find enemies everywhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,296 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Trumps first week as president has been confirmation after confirmation of all the reasons why he should never have been elected.

    Dark days ahead.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 910 ✭✭✭BlinkingLights


    He's also shutting out any dissenting voices and anyone who can point out glass in his and his administration's policies.

    Things like preventing the EPA, the parks services etc etc from communicating anything he disagrees with is an incredibly bad sign.

    I've a feeling he'll just surround himself with yes-men and drive the US off a cliff convinced of his own genius.

    This isn't normal politics at all. It's an example of egotistical authoritarianism. He seems to think he can just run the US as if were a hotel chain he owns.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    The South will rise again under Lord Trump. They love him just like Bobby Lee!

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  • Posts: 18,047 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He's also shutting out any dissenting voices and anyone who can point out glass in his and his administration's policies.

    Things like preventing the EPA, the parks services etc etc from communicating anything he disagrees with is an incredibly bad sign.

    I've a feeling he'll just surround himself with yes-men and drive the US off a cliff convinced of his own genius.

    This isn't normal politics at all. It's an example of egotistical authoritarianism. He seems to think he can just run the US as if were a hotel chain he owns.
    Every administration does it to some extent until policy has been agreed. Trump seems to be taking it further but it's definitely normal.
    It just wasn't news because the media didn't focus on it with other Presidents.

    http://www.peer.org/news/news-releases/obama-gag-order-on-federal-workers-like-those-under-bush.html

    There are going to to be hundreds of standard Presidential things picked apart during Trump's time.. It will be interesting to see people caring so much about things they never cared about but also hypocritical at times as well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    There is absolutely nothing normal (outside of North Korea) about putting a gag order on scientists to prevent them from reporting their findings or work to the public.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-gag-us-government-scientists-environment-stop-speaking-public-tweeting-twitter-climate-a7544971.html
    In addition to the media blackout at the EPA, some other federal agencies, including the Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Agriculture, were also told to suspend external communications, although the latter department's gag order was subsequently lifted.

    The ban includes the issuing of press releases, blogs, messages on Twitter and Facebook posts, according to information leaked to several media organisations. All media requests must be “screened” by the administration.

    The decision came after the new administration ordered a “temporary suspension” of grants to the EPA, stopping new business activity.

    Donald Trump appointed Scott Pruitt, who is known as a climate science denier, to run the EPA, an organisation he has taken to court on a number of occasions.

    Needless to say many Trump supporters will be too entrenched in the con they have been sold to bring themselves to call this for what it really is as has been the case on a number of issues already with less than one week gone, but that does not stop the fact that this is nothing short of dangerous, despotic and dictatorial.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,712 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Billy86 wrote: »
    There is absolutely NOTHING normal (outside of North Korea) about putting a gag order on scientists to prevent them from reporting their findings or work to the public.

    Typo there, lad. Fixed it for ye.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    Here's a transcript of Trump's latest interview:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-abc-news-anchor-david-muir-interviews-president/story?id=45047602

    I'd post quotes, but the whole thing is so mindbogglingly full of nonsense and obvious, stupid lies that you really need to see all of it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 910 ✭✭✭BlinkingLights


    It's the ultimate expression of "it's a fact if I believe it strongly enough"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Typo there, lad. Fixed it for ye.
    Cheers there, completely missed that! :p

    Anyway, what do you reckon the odds are on almost no Trump fans commenting on this and instead trying to deflect away by complaining about CNN or some other sh*te?


  • Posts: 18,047 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Cheers there, completely missed that! :p

    Anyway, what do you reckon the odds are on almost no Trump fans commenting on this and instead trying to deflect away by complaining about CNN or some other sh*te?

    I'm not a Trump fan but I'll happily comment. Call me a Trump fan and you've blatantly brushed past all my posts where I say I'm happy America has a complete moron at the helm.

    The whole Badlands drama was almost certainly planned weeks ago.
    Why do I say something so crazy?

    It's standard practice for gag orders on agencies for a while during transition.. Even moreso with Trump's promises.
    Time magazine running a huge story that explodes all over the internet about a "rogue" forestry twitter account.. Bit mad for Time to pick up on something like that.
    They knew the tweets had to be deleted, likely by law, and ran the story perfectly so that it looked like Trump sat down, read them, didn't like the facts, and personally ordered the account to be taken over and the posts deleted.
    This has added to the idea that Trump is a dictator.

    It's just a perfect media attack that was in my mind, definitely planned. Whether you like it or not, those tweets weren't allowed and Time knew exactly what would happen.. Unfortunately, the stunt will likely result in less, not more, public access to research in the future because well, it's Trump and he's not exactly sane.

    The man is showing that he's capable of a serious amount of action in a short period of time. I'd say the relentless attacks, some very valid, some not at all, will force him into extreme positions on almost everything.
    This is part of his appeal to his supporters.. "Fủck being PC. Fủck the left. Fủck it all."

    I personally don't care. I already live in one of the most polluted cities in the world and nothing the EPA does will make it better or worse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    i put it to you....

    wouldn't it be far worse seeing people being blown to bits in a terrorist attack than having the attack avoided in the first place by getting vital information through water boarding ??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    fryup wrote: »
    i put it to you....

    wouldn't it be far worse seeing people being blown to bits in a terrorist attack than having the attack avoided in the first place by getting vital information through water boarding ??

    The problem is that they never got valuable information through waterboarding.
    WASHINGTON — Bottom line: Torture didn't work.

    It didn't elicit actionable intelligence from suspected terrorists, nor did it foil plots against Americans. That's a key assessment in the Senate Intelligence Committee's report released Tuesday on the CIA's detention and interrogation programs.

    "The committee finds, based on a review of CIA interrogation records, that the use of the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques was not an effective means of obtaining accurate information or gaining detainee cooperation," the report concludes.

    "Enhanced interrogation techniques," such as beatings, solitary confinement and waterboarding — simulated drowning that induced convulsions and vomiting — failed to elicit intelligence to foil terror plots, the committee found.


    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/09/waterboarding-ksm/20151103/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    I reckon mexico will pussy out and pay for the donalds wall. Mexico need the usa more than the usa need them. Great gambling by the donald


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    fryup wrote: »
    i put it to you....

    wouldn't it be far worse seeing people being blown to bits in a terrorist attack than having the attack avoided in the first place by getting vital information through water boarding ??

    Personally I think that before anyone actually proposes the use of torture like waterboarding should have to be subjected to it first. It's a brutal thing and should be banned.

    Also, I'm fairly sure that it's been shown that torture and waterboarding isn't really successful in getting information.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    Sonics2k wrote: »

    Also, I'm fairly sure that it's been shown that torture and waterboarding isn't really successful in getting information.

    i doubt they're doing it for the fun of it, must be some results from it


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