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25-01-2017 02:50PM

I saw a good point on Reddit earlier..

Because of the hate the media and a lot of the public have for him, everything he does and America does is going to be under massive scrutiny. That includes all the bad stuff that usually happens but the media never bothers talking about. Arms deals, privacy laws etc.

I think it will wake a lot of people up to the reality that the government isn't just Obama giving motivational speeches and it will end up making people care about some important stuff.

Billy86 · 25-01-2017 02:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This "alternative" thing is getting old so fast.. I thought it would take longer for me to start rolling my eyes every time I see it.

It got old the moment it left Kelly Ann Conway's mouth. It deserves every bit of criticism it has got, and will continue to get for quite some time.

25-01-2017 02:51PM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Billions to be spent on a vanity wall that will be circumvented with rope ladders.

There are supposedly 50000 illegal Irish in the US, so the wall will definitely ensure that number doesn't increase.

What does that even mean? 50,000 illegal Irish who overstayed their visas. Are you saying that Trump won't give holiday visas to the Irish anymore?

MightyMandarin · 25-01-2017 02:51PM

http://www.rense.com/general37/fascism.htm

Just gonna leave this here. It's the 14 characteristics of fascism. There's at least 10 that fit Trump's rule pretty well, and almost all could fit the description of him. I know the Trump crowd will dismiss it, but it's worth analysing and comparing for any rational thinker around here.

Anyone who thinks he's being dumb with this "investigation" into the millions of "fake votes" is underestimating him. He's gonna suppress voters even more and further limit democracy. This is clear totalitarianism and it's ****ing scary how quickly he's progressing America towards fascist rule.

Billy86 · 25-01-2017 02:53PM

It's pretty obvious the fake votes/investigation nonsense is just trying to take attention away from what he's really been at the last 5 days also, he's becoming predictable like that but then again the media will surely bite and go for the easy click bait over the actual important story.

Professor Moriarty · 25-01-2017 02:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I saw a good point on Reddit earlier..

Because of the hate the media and a lot of the public have for him, everything he does and America does is going to be under massive scrutiny. That includes all the bad stuff that usually happens but the media never bothers talking about. Arms deals, privacy laws etc.

I think it will wake a lot of people up to the reality that the government isn't just Obama giving motivational speeches and it will end up making people care about some important stuff.

Here's hoping.

25-01-2017 02:53PM

Billy86 wrote: »

It got old the moment it left Kelly Ann Conway's mouth. It deserves every bit of criticism it has got, and will continue to get for quite some time.

But that wasn't criticism. It was the wrong guy..

Making a random comment saying "Nothing is "wrong" anymore, that is just an "alternative" guy." is just boring and is honestly getting really old. I've seen the same sort of thing at least 50 times today alone all over boards and reddit.

I give it till the weekend and people will stop.

Butters1979 · 25-01-2017 02:54PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

I think he's actually talking about silencing anything that doesn't fit his narrative, lying through his teeth, appointing people who are completely unqualified but will help grind down departments like Education, Environment, Energy,... so they can make a tidy profit.

Those too are hallmarks of a dictator.

It's hysteria and it's getting old. Every single thing he says and does is going to be wailed against by the sore losers. It's getting embarrassing.

"now he's in he wont build a wall, backing out of campaign promises already, all his voters probably feel stupid now"
the next day
"oh my god he's building a wall, I can't believe it, dictator"

Jelle1880 · 25-01-2017 02:57PM

Butters1979 wrote: »

It's hysteria and it's getting old. Every single thing he says and does is going to be wailed against by the sore losers. It's getting embarrassing.

"now he's in he wont build a wall, backing out of campaign promises already, all his voters probably feel stupid now"
the next day
"oh my god he's building a wall, I can't believe it, dictator"

Did you actually read my post ?

Nobody is all of a sudden surprised he's building that wall. They're merely saying it won't do anything to stop people crossing the border.

Would you rather people just accept whatever he does and not complain if they don't like it ?

ChikiChiki · 25-01-2017 03:00PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

America is now in the hands of a Dictator. The media and people watching thought he was only joking, misspoke and he would never ban muslims from coming to the United States or he would build a wall. Well you seeing the real Donald in action now and it will be nothing less than horrific.

Just off them points alone would not categorise him as a dictator in my opinion. He's only in the job a few days. Immigration of Muslims needs to be slowed down until the ME situation stabilises. I only wish Europe did the same instead of having a couple of hundred undocumented terrorists roaming freely around the continent. I'll admit the first signs are not good but give him a few months. Some of his policy makes sense for the American people.

Butters1979 · 25-01-2017 03:00PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Did you actually read my post ?

Nobody is all of a sudden surprised he's building that wall. They're merely saying it won't do anything to stop people crossing the border.

Would you rather people just accept whatever he does and not complain if they don't like it ?

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

America is now in the hands of a Dictator. The media and people watching thought he was only joking, misspoke and he would never ban muslims from coming to the United States or he would build a wall. Well you seeing the real Donald in action now and it will be nothing less than horrific.

That's what I was responding to. I believed he would do it, and I was responding to a poster he said people didn't. And if they didn't they're naïve at best. It was a campaign promise.

Special Circumstances · 25-01-2017 03:01PM

At this stage I think if the Donald cured cancer there would be outrage in the media and on the streets because of all the doctors he put out of a job

Billy86 · 25-01-2017 03:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

But that wasn't criticism. It was the wrong guy..

Making a random comment saying "Nothing is "wrong" anymore, that is just an "alternative" guy." is just boring and is honestly getting really old. I've seen the same sort of thing at least 50 times today alone all over boards and reddit.

I give it till the weekend and people will stop.

Except it is a criticism, because anyone is free to claim anything about anyone in any context at any time now and just say it's "alternative" by the standards laid out by TrumpCo. Kids are free to say 2 + 2 = turquoise, and that their answer isn't wrong it's just the "alternative" correct answer. Needless to say their teachers won't stand over that, but that's because their teachers would hold those children to a higher standard than the office of the President of the United States holds itself right now. Just think about that for a moment.

I reckon it's got more legs with how applicable it is in so many areas, but we'll see!

Billy86 · 25-01-2017 03:04PM

Special Circumstances wrote: »

At this stage I think if the Donald cured cancer there would be outrage in the media and on the streets because of all the doctors he put out of a job

Oh yeah, what he's been up to the last few days is definitely in line with curing cancer. No question there.

Grayson · 25-01-2017 03:05PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/824078417213747200

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/824227824903090176

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/824228768227217408

He just can't drop this stuff. His ego is fecking huge.

Also he's putting a photo of the inauguration crowd in front of the press. You'll note that the photo even has the incorrect date on it.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/823937936056008704

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ChikiChiki · 25-01-2017 03:06PM

skankkuvhima wrote: »

People aren't used to politicians actually doing what they said they would. Everyone is a bit shocked

Honestly this is true. Can't believe how quick he is signing off stuff. No debate or discussion, just getting it done.

I'm finding the whole thing fascinating (not in a good or bad way) Certainly a new type of politics.

Butters1979 · 25-01-2017 03:07PM

Grayson, can you stop with the spam. All those tweets were already posted here a few times, we all saw them. And the giant meme is pathetic. National embarrassment to one half of the country maybe.

Jelle1880 · 25-01-2017 03:08PM

Special Circumstances wrote: »

At this stage I think if the Donald cured cancer there would be outrage in the media and on the streets because of all the doctors he put out of a job

Taking away people's health care would probably mean they can't get the treatment anyway

Butters1979 · 25-01-2017 03:09PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

That's a positive if you're talking about a cashier in Tesco. It's very much the opposite when you're talking about the leader of one of the world's most powerful countries.

There was plenty of debate and discussion on all these topics during the primaries and the election campaign. He's in now, time to do what he said he would.

ChikiChiki · 25-01-2017 03:13PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

That's a positive if you're talking about a cashier in Tesco. It's very much the opposite when you're talking about the leader of one of the world's most powerful countries.

Absolutely, I never said it was a good thing.

Butters1979 · 25-01-2017 03:14PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Alienate most of the world in some way or another and actually go through with his nonviable vanity projects?

I think you underestimate the number of people across the world who are leaning more and more to his and his supporters way of thinking. And nonviable says you and CNN.

25-01-2017 03:16PM

MightyMandarin wrote: »

http://www.rense.com/general37/fascism.htm

Just gonna leave this here. It's the 14 characteristics of fascism. There's at least 10 that fit Trump's rule pretty well, and almost all could fit the description of him. I know the Trump crowd will dismiss it, but it's worth analysing and comparing for any rational thinker around here.

Anyone who thinks he's being dumb with this "investigation" into the millions of "fake votes" is underestimating him. He's gonna suppress voters even more and further limit democracy. This is clear totalitarianism and it's ****ing scary how quickly he's progressing America towards fascist rule.

Yeah, it's pretty easy to tick of things as a characteristic of fascism.. Do you actually believe he's the new Mussolini?

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -
"Our Best America Yet!" - used by Gary Johnson's campaign, common but unofficial slogans include "Make America Sane Again" and "Feel the Johnson"
"Hillary For America" – used by Hillary Clinton's campaign
"A New American Century" – used by Marco Rubio's campaign.
"Reigniting the Promise of America" – used by Ted Cruz's campaign
"Kasich For America" – used by John Kasich's campaign
"Believe in America" – 2012 U.S. Presidential slogan of Mitt Romney.
"America's Comeback Team" - 2012 U.S. Presidential slogan of Mitt Romney after picking Paul Ryan as his running mate
etc.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -
Afghanistan / Iraq
Guantanamo Bay
Obama enacts a law allowing indefinite detention of US citizens (NDAA 2013)

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -
Russia! Russia! Wikileaks!

4. Supremacy of the Military -
This is just America all over.

5. Rampant Sexism -
Nothing by other Presidents or Trump, yet. We're talking about institutionalized here, not comments made in the past.

6. Controlled Mass Media -
Obama spying on journalists
Obama repeals law so government can use propaganda on citizens

7. Obsession with National Security -
America in general.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -
America in general.

9. Corporate Power is Protected -
America in general.
Obama oversaw a law that allows pretty much unlimited donations.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed -
Not sure.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -
EPA stuff if you count it as disdain against intellectuals. But in reality, fascism is about getting rid of them.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -
America in general.
What did Hillary call them? Super Predators?

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -
America in general.
Wikileaks show appointments to big donors.
Nearly had fourth President from two families.

14. Fraudulent Elections -
People high up in Democrat SuperPacs / Movements on tape talking about blatant voter fraud.

See? Utter BS.

jimmycrackcorm · 25-01-2017 03:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What does that even mean? 50,000 illegal Irish who overstayed their visas. Are you saying that Trump won't give holiday visas to the Irish anymore?

I forgot to add [sarcasm] around that. Substantial numbers of illegals (including from Mexico) are people who arrived legally and didn't leave.

The wall is a vanity project as there is a significant terrain that doesn't need it due to being so hostile for transit.

Grayson · 25-01-2017 03:18PM

Butters1979 wrote: »

Grayson, can you stop with the spam. All those tweets were already posted here a few times, we all saw them. And the giant meme is pathetic. National embarrassment to one half of the country maybe.

I went back through the last 10 pages and yes, one of them was posted. And the meme isn't giant. I had posted one photo and saw it was big so I immediately posted a smaller one.

And he's an embarrassment for the US. It's not just US voters who get to decide if he's embarrassing. We all do.

BTW, remember, even if it's just the US voters, most of them don't like him. He lost the popular vote (Unless you have any evidence to prove otherwise) and he's the least popular incoming president in modern history. Previous presidents had to start unpopular wars to get to the stage he's starting at. Even bush has more popularity when he started off and that was after the Florida debacle.

Finally, you might not like what I post but I don't post falsehoods like you did when you said that the current president of Iran was a holocaust denier (Notice that I said falsehood, not lie, because I don't know if you actually knew he wasn't the president anymore).

So give it a break and address the issues. Address what Trump said rather than making ad hominems against other posters.

25-01-2017 03:19PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Taking away people's health care would probably mean they can't get the treatment anyway

You'd probably be shocked if I told you that Obamacare was literally forced private insurance. That's not healthcare. It's a joke of a thing.

jimmycrackcorm · 25-01-2017 03:20PM

Billy86 wrote: »

It's pretty obvious the fake votes/investigation nonsense is just trying to take attention away from what he's really been at the last 5 days also, he's becoming predictable like that but then again the media will surely bite and go for the easy click bait over the actual important story.

But it would be funny if some fake voters were found and admitted that they used their votes to vote him in.

Skylinehead · 25-01-2017 03:20PM

Butters1979 wrote: »

Grayson, can you stop with the spam. All those tweets were already posted here a few times, we all saw them. And the giant meme is pathetic. National embarrassment to one half of the country maybe.

Don't backseat mod please. Report a post if you have an issue with it.

jimmycrackcorm · 25-01-2017 03:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You'd probably be shocked if I told you that Obamacare was literally forced private insurance. That's not healthcare. It's a joke of a thing.

Would you be shocked if you were told that not having private insurance meant no healthcare at all.

Butters1979 · 25-01-2017 03:22PM

Grayson wrote: »

I went back through the last 10 pages and yes, one of them was posted. And the meme isn't giant. I had posted one photo and saw it was big so I immediately posted a smaller one.

And he's an embarrassment for the US. It's not just US voters who get to decide if he's embarrassing. We all do.

BTW, remember, even if it's just the US voters, most of them don't like him. He lost the popular vote (Unless you have any evidence to prove otherwise) and he's the least popular incoming president in modern history. Previous presidents had to start unpopular wars to get to the stage he's starting at. Even bush has more popularity when he started off and that was after the Florida debacle.

Finally, you might not like what I post but I don't post falsehoods like you did when you said that the current president of Iran was a holocaust denier (Notice that I said falsehood, not lie, because I don't know if you actually knew he wasn't the president anymore).

So give it a break and address the issues. Address what Trump said rather than making ad hominems against other posters.

Yes and someone else pointed out that was from a previous president, I replied to him agreeing, I got that wrong. Not sure how you missed that.

25-01-2017 03:22PM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Would you be shocked if you were told that not having private insurance meant no healthcare at all.

I wouldn't be shocked, no.

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