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Jelle1880 · 25-01-2017 12:08PM

Depp wrote: »

hes literally pulled out of tpp, okayed the pipelines and reinstated the mexico city act...yas might be jumping the gun slightly with the ''failed president'' shtick

Pulling out of TPP may seem good, but it means countries might be tempted to choose China's RCEP instead.

jobbridge4life · 25-01-2017 12:09PM

Depp wrote: »

hes literally pulled out of tpp, okayed the pipelines and reinstated the mexico city act...yas might be jumping the gun slightly with the ''failed president'' shtick

Pulling out of TPP may be one of the decisions he comes to regret. It basically just cedes the whole region to China. Australia have already invited China to take up America's place in the agreement. If they have any sense they will jump at it.

25-01-2017 12:16PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

That is failure.

What about the pipelines is a failure? Is that burial ground thing?

Trent Houseboat · 25-01-2017 12:20PM

jobbridge4life wrote:

Pulling out of TPP may be one of the decisions he comes to regret.

I don't think he has the capacity to regret, that would be an admission of failure.

RobertKK · 25-01-2017 12:20PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

That is failure.

So likewise in Ireland we shouldn't have built the corrib gas pipeline because there were protests, and abortion is a highly sensitive issue given it involves life.

jobbridge4life · 25-01-2017 12:27PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

I don't think he has the capacity to regret, that would be an admission of failure.

Very true. Perhaps it would be better to say 'his Republican enablers may come to regret'

Zubeneschamali · 25-01-2017 12:36PM

jobbridge4life wrote: »

if he does pursue his massive stimulus package (teehee) (something Obama wanted to do but was thwarted by Republicans)

The republicans didn't thwart it just because Obama was in office - they will thwart anything like it with Trump in office, too.

He will be allowed to slash spending on the poor, cut taxes on the rich, and start a war or two. The wall, immigration and protectionist talk are just window dressing. Any policy that costs money that doesn't go directly to Republican donors will never get out of the gate.

Laois_Man · 25-01-2017 12:42PM

jobbridge4life wrote: »

It isn't just CNN. It is the actions and words of the man himself.

However I don't know how likely it is that he will 'fail' at least in the short term. The actions he is taking, cutting taxes, reducing regulations, are likely to produce a short term bounce to the economy. Furthermore if he does pursue his massive stimulus package (teehee) (something Obama wanted to do but was thwarted by Republicans) it would likely have fairly substantial impacts on unemployment and growth, especially if it is targeted correctly.

Can you cut corporation tax and personal taxes and at the same time finance a massive stimulus package (rebuild roads, bridges, tunnels, prisons, etc all while upgrading military equipment/weapons, stamping out ISIS, building a border wall, controlling the national debt etc)? Not to mention the extreme likelihood that US exports are going to reduce.

All I see is lots of extra money going to be spent and lost of less money going to be made.

Trent Houseboat · 25-01-2017 12:45PM

jobbridge4life wrote:

Very true. Perhaps it would be better to say 'his Republican enablers may come to regret'

They may do, but they'll be written of as gotten to by the egg council CNN and replaced with more pliable enablers next time there's an election.

Zubeneschamali · 25-01-2017 12:46PM

Laois_Man wrote: »

All I see is lots of extra money going to be spent and lost of less money going to be made.

The problem with a stimulus program is not that it runs up the deficit, that doesn't matter when a Republican is in charge. The problem is that the money goes to the Wrong Sort Of People, lazy, feckless, poor, "urban", ordinary and middle class people, instead of the top 1% who are winners and deserve it (and donate to the Republican party).

jimmycrackcorm · 25-01-2017 12:54PM

Permabear wrote: »

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If it occurs on a Sunday morning within a mile of a Catholic church.

A Little Pony · 25-01-2017 01:08PM

I even thought he wouldn't do some of the things he said but he is doing it. The people who didn't vote to keep him out can't whine about it, he is doing exactly what he said he would do.

A Little Pony · 25-01-2017 01:10PM

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I think it could be worse, this administration is disturbing already

It's much worse. Bush was at least a rational thinker who wasn't obsessed with his cult of personality and incessant lying.

Bush thought it was a good idea to invade Iraq, open up a sectarian vacuum while doing nothing about it, ISIS developed and that part of the world turning into an even more crap hole.

Wanderer78 · 25-01-2017 01:12PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Bush thought it was a good idea to invade Iraq, open up a sectarian vacuum while doing nothing about it, ISIS developed and that part of the world turning into an even more crap hole.

america needs to stop inferring in other peoples affairs in the name of spreading 'democracy'!

listermint · 25-01-2017 01:14PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Bush thought it was a good idea to invade Iraq, open up a sectarian vacuum while doing nothing about it, ISIS developed and that part of the world turning into an even more crap hole.

Yes so let's make more Muslims hate us.

Ever heard of fuel fire?

Or do you consider his actions a fire blanket. Because if you do your wrong

He even said the other day he wanted to keep everyone's oil.

Hilarious it's like he wants to create tension in the middle east

A Little Pony · 25-01-2017 01:21PM

listermint wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Bush thought it was a good idea to invade Iraq, open up a sectarian vacuum while doing nothing about it, ISIS developed and that part of the world turning into an even more crap hole.

Yes so let's make more Muslims hate us.

Ever heard of fuel fire?

Or do you consider his actions a fire blanket. Because if you do your wrong

He even said the other day he wanted to keep everyone's oil.

Hilarious it's like he wants to create tension in the middle east

They hate the West anyway. We are all cattle/infidels, the non believers.

jooksavage · 25-01-2017 01:27PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

They hate the West anyway. We are all cattle/infidels, the non believers.

Presumably you're another non-Muslim speaking for all Muslims?

rossie1977 · 25-01-2017 02:00PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

The republicans didn't thwart it just because Obama was in office - they will thwart anything like it with Trump in office, too.

He will be allowed to slash spending on the poor, cut taxes on the rich, and start a war or two. The wall, immigration and protectionist talk are just window dressing. Any policy that costs money that doesn't go directly to Republican donors will never get out of the gate.

The Republicans didn't thwart Obama, they thwarted him because he was a democrat. Republicans have opposed Democrats at every turn for 25 years now. Trump will find zero resistance among Republicans. They are not worried about spending (or deleted emails/US embassy attacks) when it's a Republican at the wheel. If TPP and ACA had been first proposed by Trump they would have sailed through Congress and the Senate but the fact they had a Democrat signature on them they were viewed as socialist evil by the right. Ironically most of the ACA was borrowed from a long standing Republican health care plan.

The infrastructure thing is a pure scam to give tax breaks to corporations and billionaires. It's a drop in the bucket to what truly needs to be spent to upgrade the US crumbling infrastructure, Trump knows this but he is pulling at the heartstrings. It's like giving the homeless man $10 and then claiming you have eradicated homelessness. It will pass with full support of Republicans.

Grayson · 25-01-2017 02:08PM

Butters1979 wrote: »

Their president is a holocaust denier and wants to wipe out Isreal, and are currently developing nuclear weapons. Their people support this. Weather you agree with the ban or not, Iran is one of the more dangerous countries in the region.

Quote:

"For 60 years they allowed no one to question and cast doubt on the logic of the Holocaust and its very essence – because if the truth were to be exposed, nothing would remain of their logic of liberal democracy. It is the very advocates of liberal democracy who defend the Holocaust, who have sanctified it to the point where none may enter. Breaking the padlock of the Holocaust and reexamining it will be tantamount to cutting the vital arteries of the Zionist regime. It will destroy the philosophical foundation and raison d'être of this regime...I invite the dear researchers, intellectuals, young people and students, who are the trailblazers, to reexamine not only the Holocaust, but also its consequences and aftermath and inform others of their studies and research. Let us not forget that more than ever before, the Zionist network, which came up with the issue of the Holocaust, must be exposed, and be presented to the peoples as it really is."

That's the wrong guy. he was voted out years ago and is now a political pariah in his own country.

Cheerful Spring · 25-01-2017 02:14PM

America is now in the hands of a Dictator. The media and people watching thought he was only joking, misspoke and he would never ban muslims from coming to the United States or he would build a wall. Well you seeing the real Donald in action now and it will be nothing less than horrific.

beans · 25-01-2017 02:16PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

America is now in the hands of a Dictator.

Zubeneschamali · 25-01-2017 02:24PM

Grayson wrote: »

That's the wrong guy. he was voted out years ago and is now a political pariah in his own country.

Nothing is "wrong" anymore, that is just an "alternative" guy.

conditioned games · 25-01-2017 02:32PM

So far President Trump is doing a good job. The wall would be a good addition to keep the drugs out and refugees coming from Africa to Brazil and on up to the USA. Ban on muslim hotspots is a good move also. He looks like the real deal and he may have the potential to save America yet.

Butters1979 · 25-01-2017 02:36PM

Grayson wrote: »

That's the wrong guy. he was voted out years ago and is now a political pariah in his own country.

That's a fair point, the new guy was elected in 2013. He seems more moderate. Although the ban is on Iran's presidents, it's on Iranians in general. Still he should include Saudi Arabia and the Pakistan and such or not do it at all.

Butters1979 · 25-01-2017 02:41PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

America is now in the hands of a Dictator. The media and people watching thought he was only joking, misspoke and he would never ban muslims from coming to the United States or he would build a wall. Well you seeing the real Donald in action now and it will be nothing less than horrific.

He is not a dictator, not everyone you don't like is Hitler. He was really clear on what he would do if he got into power. He was very adamant on both the wall and the immigration ban. Anyone who thought that was a joke is an idiot. This is what he campaigned on, this is what he's going to do. At least he is trying to deliver on his promises.

25-01-2017 02:43PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Nothing is "wrong" anymore, that is just an "alternative" guy.

This "alternative" thing is getting old so fast.. I thought it would take longer for me to start rolling my eyes every time I see it.

Jelle1880 · 25-01-2017 02:44PM

Butters1979 wrote: »

He is not a dictator, not everyone you don't like is Hitler. He was really clear on what he would do if he got into power. He was very adamant on both the wall and the immigration ban. Anyone who thought that was a joke is an idiot. This is what he campaigned on, this is what he's going to do. At least he is trying to deliver on his promises.

I think he's actually talking about silencing anything that doesn't fit his narrative, lying through his teeth, appointing people who are completely unqualified but will help grind down departments like Education, Environment, Energy,... so they can make a tidy profit.

Those too are hallmarks of a dictator.

skankkuvhima · 25-01-2017 02:45PM

Butters1979 wrote: »

He is not a dictator, not everyone you don't like is Hitler. He was really clear on what he would do if he got into power. He was very adamant on both the wall and the immigration ban. Anyone who thought that was a joke is an idiot. This is what he campaigned on, this is what he's going to do. At least he is trying to deliver on his promises.

People aren't used to politicians actually doing what they said they would. Everyone is a bit shocked

jimmycrackcorm · 25-01-2017 02:49PM

conditioned games wrote: »

So far President Trump is doing a good job. The wall would be a good addition to keep the drugs out and refugees coming from Africa to Brazil and on up to the USA. Ban on muslim hotspots is a good move also. He looks like the real deal and he may have the potential to save America yet.

Billions to be spent on a vanity wall that will be circumvented with rope ladders.

There are supposedly 50000 illegal Irish in the US, so the wall will definitely ensure that number doesn't increase.

Grayson · 25-01-2017 02:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This "alternative" thing is getting old so fast.. I thought it would take longer for me to start rolling my eyes every time I see it.

You'd think we'd also be used to the lies by now

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