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Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭thesultan


    JesusRef wrote: »
    Any update on the proposals to the county board about the club structures?

    A 10 team senior championship and an all county premier intermediate grade - it would be a great step to more competitive championships

    We haven't the numbers for a premier intermediate..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 783 ✭✭✭TheScoringGoal


    blueflame wrote: »
    Getting down to matters - we have seen the experiments over the last three games, who do posters feel based on the three games to date, of those who were not part of the panel last year , have taken their chance and put down a marker for inclusion this year

    I only saw the Limerick and Clare Games, but on what i saw, for me I have been impressed by the following and feel that while they might still be quite a bit off competing for starting 15, they have real potential and would benefit from being part of the squad.

    Calum Lyons, - was impressed with hi m when introduced against Limerick, was very impressed yesterday, especially when moved to full back and the composure he showed - big strong lad with good hurling and is under 21 for next this and next year.

    Ian Kenny - tidy tight marking comer back with good pace and good hurling - would benefit from Strength and Conditioning with Seniors

    Conor Prunty - have great time for this lad, impressed with him against Limerick, big and strong and like Calum Lyons, i think he has two years left at under 21 - I know he is a quality footballer but feel he needs to concentrate on his hurling if he is to develop the massive potential he has.

    Seamus Keating - big strong and athletic - much more comfortable facing the ball than when he as a forward at underage level. Was impressed with him yesterday.

    Mark O'Brien - was impressed with his work rate against Limerick and throughout U21 last year - old fashioned type midfielder, gets really stuck in and works really hard for the team.

    Eamonn Murphy - out in the wilderness for a while but really impressed me with his application yesterday, was a constant thorn in the side of Clare great pace and aggression, really busy and harassed defenders in very disciplined manner. Didn't give away silly frees

    Billy Nolan - great prospect, but personally think he is going to be the one that really puts it up to Socks on the goal - think that this is his true position and fear he could fall between two stools

    Just outside of these:

    Darragh Lyons - great talent but needs to curb tendency for wild pulls, and needs to reduce the amount of clearances that he puts up in the clouds

    Peter Hogan - shows a real finishers ability and is constantly willing to make incisive runs.

    Jack Fagan - think this lad has real potential, laid on a beautiful ball for Hogan's first goal yesterday and got a great point himself - has made a great comeback from a bad leg injury last year and for me shows great ability and intelligence.

    By the way nice to see Tomas Ryan and Colin Dunford back yesterday - though two of them done well when coming into game

    I'd have to agree with a lot of this. I think it may be at least a year too early for Billy Nolan but he is a great prospect.

    I don't disagree with any of the lads you picked but it's another step for them to become championship players and I'd be wondering if a couple could quite make that jump, at least this year. Calum Lyons in particular has impressed but doesn't look like he's finished developing physically yet.

    DJ Foran is another who has put his hand up. Shane McNulty will probably get a chance too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 419 ✭✭JesusRef


    thesultan wrote: »
    We haven't the numbers for a premier intermediate..

    If we had a ten team premier intermediate, based on how teams finished in the groups (with relegated Cappoquin taking the place of promted Lismore, and this grouping is given for example, not actual rankings) it would look like this

    Modeligo, Cappoquin, Brickeys, Shamrocks, Dunhill, Clonea, Erin's Own, Ferrybank.
    And with 2 current senior sides of Ballyduff and Portlaw joining them.

    That would be a great championship- but remaining teams should be junior


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Deise Gael


    JesusRef wrote: »
    If we had a ten team premier intermediate, based on how teams finished in the groups (with relegated Cappoquin taking the place of promted Lismore, and this grouping is given for example, not actual rankings) it would look like this

    Modeligo, Cappoquin, Brickeys, Shamrocks, Dunhill, Clonea, Erin's Own, Ferrybank.
    And with 2 current senior sides of Ballyduff and Portlaw joining them.

    That would be a great championship- but remaining teams should be junior

    With this format at what level would second string teams like Ballygunner and De La Salle intermediates play?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭mickotallow


    Deise Gael wrote: »
    With this format at what level would second string teams like Ballygunner and De La Salle intermediates play?

    The second string teams is the whole reason why I am against this proposal. If a second string team ever won the premier intermediate what would happen? If the whole idea is to promote hurling then how is making players deemed not good enough for their clubs senior teams stronger a good idea while teams could be relegated from senior because they've had one bad year. Despite Ballygunner's dominance in recent years the senior championship has been very competitive with teams evenly matched. I'd agree with making the intermediate championship all county but don't think you need to lessen the senior championship to do this. If it isn't broken don't try and fix it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭conditioned games


    The second string teams is the whole reason why I am against this proposal. If a second string team ever won the premier intermediate what would happen? If the whole idea is to promote hurling then how is making players deemed not good enough for their clubs senior teams stronger a good idea while teams could be relegated from senior because they've had one bad year. Despite Ballygunner's dominance in recent years the senior championship has been very competitive with teams evenly matched. I'd agree with making the intermediate championship all county but don't think you need to lessen the senior championship to do this. If it isn't broken don't try and fix it.

    The western board chairman Eddie Cunningham from Tallow says ''If it isn't broken don't try and fix it'' every year at both the western and county AGM's while trying to get the second and third competitions at minor back under the control of the divisional boards. Control and ego for some sitting on the divisional boards has always being one of the main barriers to improving the club structures in Waterford.

    Kilkenny for example don't bother with divisional competitions for their club championship games at Senior, Intermediate or Junior. Why would a second string team have to be treated differently, if they won they go up, only in munster competitions would the second string teams be unable to play.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 429 ✭✭blueflame


    I'd have to agree with a lot of this. I think it may be at least a year too early for Billy Nolan but he is a great prospect.

    I don't disagree with any of the lads you picked but it's another step for them to become championship players and I'd be wondering if a couple could quite make that jump, at least this year. Calum Lyons in particular has impressed but doesn't look like he's finished developing physically yet.

    DJ Foran is another who has put his hand up. Shane McNulty will probably get a chance too.

    Sorry I considered DJ and Shane McNulty as part of squad even though DJ dropped off it last year. I have great time for both these players. I believe DJ is finally startling to get to terms with the physicality of Senior Inter-county and that we will see the best of him in about 2 years time, but still has a lot to offer while developing. Shane McNulty as a wing back or even in midfield could play a serious part for Waterford, just don't think he has the hallmarks of a full back and believe he deserves a shot in his more natural positions to get the best fro his particular strengths

    As regards the others I named, i would not expect any of them to be bursting into the team, even thought they might surprise us, over the next 12 to 18 months, It is purely to help them in their development physically and mentally over the next two years, I would be including them at this stage. Working on proper strength and conditioning programs and training with the best we have will help to lift their standards and give them valuable experience.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 419 ✭✭JesusRef


    The second string teams is the whole reason why I am against this proposal. If a second string team ever won the premier intermediate what would happen? If the whole idea is to promote hurling then how is making players deemed not good enough for their clubs senior teams stronger a good idea while teams could be relegated from senior because they've had one bad year. Despite Ballygunner's dominance in recent years the senior championship has been very competitive with teams evenly matched. I'd agree with making the intermediate championship all county but don't think you need to lessen the senior championship to do this. If it isn't broken don't try and fix it.

    Didnt Tallow have 2 senior teams in the 80s? Think they won a senior and 2nd team won the championship below in close proximity if not the same year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 419 ✭✭JesusRef


    If a team is good enough to win a championship, be it 2nd team or otherwise, they deserve to go up to the highest level their success determines


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 103 ✭✭ThaiTanic


    Are all the club transfers been finalized at tonight's Co Board Meeting?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 103 ✭✭ThaiTanic


    Senior Football New Championship RD1

    Ballinacourty vs Rathgormack
    Nire vs Clashmore
    Portlaw vs Balinamellia
    Stradbally vs Ardmore
    Kilrossanty vs Gauiltier
    An Rinn vs Brickeys


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 103 ✭✭ThaiTanic


    SHC 17 Group 1: Ballygunner Dungarvan De La Salle Abbeyside Tallow Ballyduff Upper

    SHC 17 Group 2: Passage Mount Sion Roanmore Fourmilewater Lismore Portlaw


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,614 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    ThaiTanic wrote: »
    Senior Football New Championship RD1

    Ballinacourty vs Rathgormack
    Nire vs Clashmore
    Portlaw vs Balinamellia
    Stradbally vs Ardmore
    Kilrossanty vs Gauiltier
    An Rinn vs Brickeys

    What's the new format for the championship ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Twiceasnice97


    culbaire wrote: »
    Care to elaborate on who the "nutjobs" are supposed to be? You really mean the people who dare differ with your point of view? We are not living in North Korea at all.
    Your use of the word "nutjobs" is appalling in a country riven with illnesses like depression and suicide. It is downright abusive language. How dare you refer to anybody posting here as a "nutjob".

    Your problem is that you dont want to see any critical analysis of the current set up. There is plenty room for it whether you like it or not. Derek McGrath does not have a monopoly of wisdom any more than the rest of us.

    are we now to censor every phrase used searching for offence


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 103 ✭✭ThaiTanic


    the CCC proposals were passed six first round games then winners & losers section three round two winners progress to semi finals


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭The blue blaa


    ThaiTanic wrote: »
    Are all the club transfers been finalized at tonight's Co Board Meeting?

    Passed last week an email went out to clubs.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 103 ✭✭ThaiTanic


    Will the full list be available in the Munster/News&Star tomorrow?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭The blue blaa


    ThaiTanic wrote: »
    Will the full list be available in the Munster/News&Star tomorrow?


    PORT LÁIRGE TRANSFERS 2017

    The CCC has granted the following transfers :

    Lee Mulhearne Abbeyside Ballinacourty Kilmacthomas
    Adam Ó Riordáin An Sean Phobal An Rinn
    Nioclás Ó Condúin An Sean Phobal An Rinn
    Richard Stillwell An Sean Phobal Ardmore
    Colm Kennedy Ballyduff Lower Mount Sion
    Neil White Ballygunner Fenor
    Conn Willians Brickey Rangers Abbeyside Ballinacourty
    Patrick Casey Bunmahon Stradbally
    Conor Moore Clonea St. Mollerans
    Simon Waters Colligan Emmetts An Sean Phobal
    Jerome Fahy De La Salle Portlaw
    Mark Shanahan Dungarvan Colligan Emmetts
    Kenny Moore Dungarvan Lismore
    Anthony O'Brien Dunhill Naomh Pól
    Simon Keane Dunhill Roanmore
    Anthony Whelan Fenor Ballyduff Lower
    Mark O Rourke Fenor Ballydurn
    Noel Guiry Fenor Dunhill
    William Cullinane Fenor Tramore
    Tom Breen Fenor Tramore
    Thomas Coffey Fourmilewater Kilgobnet
    Donal Power Gaultier Mount Sion
    James Murtagh Gaultier Tramore
    Anthony Whelan Kill Ballyduff Lower
    Noel Guiry Kill Dunhill
    Mark O Rourke Kill Newtown
    Bryan Moran Kill Tramore
    Rhys Moran Kill Tramore
    William Cullinane Kill Tramore
    Gerard Hickey Kilrossanty Kilgobnet
    Bobby Power Kilrossanty Kilmacthomas
    Shane Ahearne Lismore Cappoquin Affane
    Jack Houlihan Lismore Melleray
    Conor O'Callaghan Melleray Brickey Rangers
    Simon Power Melleray Cappoquin Affane
    Eoin O'Donoghue Melleray Modeligo
    Michael Horgan Modeligo Colligan Emmetts
    Joe Duggan Modeligo Dungarvan
    Sean Kelly Mount Sion Naomh Pól
    Sean Murphy Mount Sion Naomh Pól
    Sean Veale Newtown Kilrossanty
    Donal Power Passage Mount Sion
    Joseph O'Brien Portlaw Naomh Pól
    Thomas Power Rathgormack John Mitchels
    Eugene Ryan Rathgormack John Mitchels
    Dale Sheridan Roanmore Naomh Pól
    Geróid MacCherigh Roanmore Naomh Pól
    Rory Kiely St Olivers Cappoquin Affane
    Rory Byrne St Olivers Cappoquin Affane
    Adam Hallahan St Olivers Cappoquin Affane
    John Butler St. Saviours Naomh Pól
    Stephen O'Donoghue St. Saviours Naomh Pól
    Jason Halloran St. Saviours Naomh Pól
    Patrick Buckley St. Saviours Naomh Pól
    Eoin Fitzgerald Stradbally Abbeyside Ballinacourty
    Thomas McGrath Stradbally Tramore
    Thomas Wall The Nire Bonmahon
    Cian Flangan Tramore Mount Sion
    Kealan Hurley Tramore Roanmore

    A Transfer becomes effective on the expiry of the period allowed for an Appeal
    against the decision on the Transfer application or, if an Appeal is submitted, on
    making of a decision on the Appeal and on Rule 2.3 being subsequently complied with.
    Rule 6.5(g) TO 2016


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 103 ✭✭ThaiTanic


    thanks Blue Blaa


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,614 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    ThaiTanic wrote: »
    the CCC proposals were passed six first round games then winners & losers section three round two winners progress to semi finals

    What championship is this for ???


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭Gardner


    some changing going on between fenor / kill etc? has there been a fall out? 
    saint pauls very heavy on the recruiting also


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 739 ✭✭✭robopaddy2


    Kenny Moore Dungarvan to Lismore, has been one of Dungarvans main players for a good few years. Anyone know what that's about?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 eastwestlad


    What does an All county U21 Championship Mean and when is the draw for the football or did it already occur?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,614 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    https://www.periscope.tv/WaterfordGAA

    The coverage of the championship draws are like something out of the D'Unbelievables lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 eastwestlad


    I mean did they draw the u21 football


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    ThaiTanic wrote: »
    the CCC proposals were passed six first round games then winners & losers section three round two winners progress to semi finals

    Whats the losers section involve?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭3ships


    robopaddy2 wrote: »
    Kenny Moore Dungarvan to Lismore, has been one of Dungarvans main players for a good few years. Anyone know what that's about?

    Lives up there now I think


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭whiteandblue


    Ballygunner, Dungarvan, De La Salle to progress from Group A. Toss up between the other 3, perhaps Abbeyside seen as they've less football games but then again Tallow were county finalists 2 years ago and they beat Ballyduff in that semi-final so I wouldn't rule anyone out.

    Group 2, you would have to say Passage but other than this, it's a very open group. FMW have been making progress as have Roanmore so I would give them the nod. Mount Sion will have to be better this year and Donal Power will be a welcome addition but Lismore will have momentum and should make a fast start seen as they've been training for the intermediate all winter but then again, that could have the opposite effect but I think they will be very competitive. It's been a great few years for the Portlaw club and surviving last year and winning the intermediate football was a great achievement but I fear that they will struggle to get a win in this group.

    I am flabbergasted that the championship is being reduced to 10 teams from 2019! It's a very competitive championship (although Ballygunner are that bit stronger than the rest) and the intermediate championships are also very competitive, particularly the west which I feel is the best hurling championship there is. Could see some big clubs playing intermediate come 2019!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭thesultan


    For next year so senior hurling will lose possibly three teams...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 eastwestlad


    Im pretty sure the loser section means:
    You have six 1st Round games
    Winners go into Pot A, six teams.
    Losers go into Pot B, six teams.
    Each team now will get three games in there respected Pot.
    So each team gets three matches.
    The top two in Pot A and B advance to the semi finals.
    Pot A = Winners Group
    Pot B = Loser's Group
    However there is going to be 6 teams in each group but each team only gets three matches.
    Horrible idea for a championship!


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