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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty



    Indeed. Now, back to Trump, his character, his appointments and his policies.

    Any thoughts on my points about Mattis and Trump?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 199 ✭✭Il Fascista


    They were all at it, but according to people here it's normal and you must be a conspiracy theorist.

    The funny thing is if the tables were turned it would be fact to most of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    They were all at it, but according to people here it's normal and you must be a conspiracy theorist.


    It's normal for journalists to send a copy so the people have a chance to respond. If they respond it's included. How many articles to you see where people say "we reached out for a comment".

    Edit: Mika is really good friends with Ivanka and has known the Trumps for years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    I assume you mean not a conspiracy?

    Could simply be to appease public opinion but they didn't really do anything that every other journalist does every day. It could be because the emails were somewhere between illegal and reprehensible.

    Journalists will try and make everyone think they're everyone's best friend and then gossip about them in the public media. That's how the job works for a lot of them. They're no better than small town gossips that drill you for news then run off up the town and retell the story with some extra flavor.

    The press has never been trustworthy, you always had to take what you read with a pinch of salt and assume that the writer is just giving you his biased version of events.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    That's exactly what you've been doing all thread.

    Sunshine beats snowflake I guess.

    Yeah - I make the point there's a distrust in the media because of what happened over the campaign, somebody asks me to show the collusion or is it coming from my tinfoil hat. Then I post it and they say it's nothing.

    Simply cannot win.

    I'm out, sorry I ruffled your feathers.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,419 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Sorry that reality doesn't suit your agenda.

    The first link you posted on that I clicked has nothing in it to confirm your conspiracy collusion theory.
    *From:* Jesse Ferguson [mailto:jesse@jesseferguson.com]
    *Sent:* Thursday, April 9, 2015 3:51 PM
    *To:* 'john.podesta@gmail.com'; 'Robby Mook'; 'Huma Abedin'; 'Marlon
    Marshall'; Amanda Renteria; Jennifer Palmieri; Kristina Schake; Nick
    Merrill; 'Karen Finney'; 'Jim Margolis'; 'Joel Benenson'; 'John Anzalone';
    'Mandy Grunwald'
    *Cc:* 'marissa.astor@icloud.com'; 'Shannon Currie'
    *Subject:* Event Memo - Benensons OTR.docx


    All – attached is the event information for tomorrow (Friday) night at
    Joel’s in NYC. It includes the latest RSVP list. Might change slightly by
    tomorrow night but won’t change dramatically.

    Hope it’s helpful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Butters1979


    Indeed. Now, back to Trump, his character, his appointments and his policies.

    Any thoughts on my points about Mattis and Trump?

    You have a problem with his policies but also have a problem with him appointing people who disagree with those policies?

    Or am I interpreting this incorrectly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Yeah - I make the point there's a distrust in the media because of what happened over the campaign, somebody asks me to show the collusion or is it coming from my tinfoil hat. Then I post it and they say it's nothing.
    That isn't enough evidence to prove anything is the point, and even proving that some journalists may have colluded with Clinton doesn't prove that the media as a whole conspired to get hillary elected.

    They certainly had a heavy bias towards Hillery as the lesser of two evils.

    In all reality Trump is better for the media, it's going to be a bonanza time for them now that they have Trump as president. If Trump thought he had it bad before! Trump has condensed all American news into one story that revolves around him now, there's literally nothing else for them to talk about now other than Trump.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Yeah - I make the point there's a distrust in the media because of what happened over the campaign, somebody asks me to show the collusion or is it coming from my tinfoil hat. Then I post it and they say it's nothing.

    Simply cannot win.

    I'm out, sorry I ruffled your feathers.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    The first link you posted on that I clicked has nothing in it to confirm your conspiracy collusion theory.

    The first link I posted was the DNC writing questions to give to Wolf Blitzer to ask Trump in an on air interview.

    https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/22673

    Do you want me to roll out the emails in near little stacks on a red carpet while I bend over? I gathered a bunch of links to make a point.

    Do you own research because it gets tiresome explaining things to people who didn't pay any attention to what came out in the emails, and just refute them anyway.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Glad to see TPP dead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    You have a problem with his policies but also have a problem with him appointing people who disagree with those policies?

    Or am I interpreting this incorrectly.

    Incorrectly. The man is a buffoon who hasn't a coherent policy to his name and who flip flops on policies like a dying salmon. Instead, he surrounds himself with family and cronies who couldn't give a sh1t about Joe Soap and hopes to run his presidency like an episode of The Apprentice.

    Incidentally, Trump was genuinely surprised when Mattis disagreed with him on torture. He then agreed with Mattis but then then disagreed with him again. Which tells you all you need to know about Trump, policy and appointments.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Butters1979


    gandalf wrote: »
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    Come on, are we going to debate this or not? Go off to reddit if that's your contribution.
    Incorrectly. The man is a buffoon who hasn't a coherent policy to his name and who flip flops on policies like a dying salmon. Instead, he surrounds himself with family and cronies who couldn't give a sh1t about Joe Soap and hopes to run his presidency like an episode of The Apprentice.

    Incidentally, Trump was genuinely surprised when Mattis disagreed with him on torture. He then agreed with Mattis but then then disagreed with him again. Which tells you all you need to know about Trump, policy and appointments.

    Fair enough, I do get the feeling a lot of his policies aren't really policies, just rabble rousing during the election that he never thought through. We'll see what he actually does now. Cant' wait.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Come on, are we going to debate this or not? Go off to reddit if that's your contribution.



    Fair enough, I do get the feeling a lot of his policies aren't really policies, just rabble rousing during the election that he never thought through. We'll see what he actually does now. Cant' wait.

    I think you might be right. It would be wonderful if he turned out to be more than just a rabble rouser. We live in hope.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,959 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Igotadose wrote: »
    On your schedule D (which you must file) you report the origin of the dividends and interest. Further, you're required to file FINCEN showing income from overseas sources, which lists banks and accounts.

    Right, but what does a bank name tell you? "Cayman Islands Bank?" No great shock there, we all know that people of that wealth have really damned good tax lawyers who know how to hide funds, make them innocuous, and keep as much of it as possible in tax havens.
    Data? Military poll that agrees?

    GWB got us tired of middle-east adventures. I am not sure the country nor the military has the will to get into it again. Whether 'boots on the ground' will make a difference viz. Isis is not clear in my opinion.

    No hard data, no. Hence 'I think.' Not that I'm entirely divorced from the general opinion of the US Military, I would think that being 16 years in it so far, given all the people I interact with, I have something of an insight.

    What we're tired of is not adventures, it is repeated deployments away from home with no definable or apparently attainable endstate. The running joke in Iraq was that it seemed to be that the primary concern from above was our not getting killed. If that were the case, could we just not get killed at home in California instead? The military is currently suffering its next manpower shortage, partly because folks who signed on to fight are fed up with the way we're operating. (The other part is because of the Army's personnel management system, which sucks)

    The British military have what they call the covenant, which is something of an informal understanding with the government. Part of it is along the lines that "we, the soldiers, have no problem with going and risking our necks, but we trust that you, the government, have duly weighed the merits of getting militarily involved in the first place."

    Obama has, for whatever reason, been very vocal about not having boots on the ground in Iraq. Well, combat boots, apparently Special Forces advisors are fine. As a result, for the last, oh, three years, we've been watching ISIL holding terrain, the Iraqi military has been slowly, very slowly, working its way back up half of its country, prolonging the misery for the citizens who live in ISIL-held territory, with the occasional US air strike or drone strike directed perhaps by US Special Forces. Why? If the US military does nothing else well, it's advance to the enemy, kill them, and take territory. The US has already concluded that we want the government of Iraq to defeat ISIL. We have already concluded that it's worth spending our time and money helping Iraq. If that's the case, do the job properly and get it over with quickly. Send in a division, kill every ISIL fighter we can find, and then go home and let the Iraqis govern their own country. Iraq may or may not solve its own problems as a result, but at least ISIL won't be as much of an issue any more. And then we can focus on painting our tanks green again and putting them in Poland, Estonia, Korea, or the other places where we might find them useful in the next year or two.

    Mattis seems to be of a similar mind to this, given his writings and talks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Dinesh D’Souza has been nominated for a razzie for his "documentary" Hillary's America. It's a conspiracy movie that's just ludicrous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,363 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Oh great, I see we're back to Hilary and emails. Wonder just how long Trump supporters are going to try to use that as deflection.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Butters1979


    Oh great, I see we're back to Hilary and emails. Wonder just how long Trump supporters are going to try to use that as deflection.

    If you're referring to Grayson, let me tell you that you got it wrong there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Fair enough, I do get the feeling a lot of his policies aren't really policies, just rabble rousing during the election that he never thought through.
    Which, in fairness, every politician ever has been guilty of. We live in a time of negativity and it's everywhere. Our own politicians focus more on making the other side look bad than actually running the country.
    The British military have what they call the covenant, which is something of an informal understanding with the government. Part of it is along the lines that "we, the soldiers, have no problem with going and risking our necks, but we trust that you, the government, have duly weighed the merits of getting militarily involved in the first place."
    The merits have traditionally been "we want all their stuff".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Oh great, I see we're back to Hilary and emails. Wonder just how long Trump supporters are going to try to use that as deflection.

    It's because they still don't really grasp policy so they have to relive the election endlessly.

    And what about the "warning" in post#1


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Butters1979


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    It's because they still don't really grasp policy so they have to relive the election endlessly.

    And what about the "warning" in post#1

    Are you sure it's not because it's a reason a lot of them are trump supporters?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 199 ✭✭Il Fascista


    Grayson wrote: »
    Dinesh D’Souza has been nominated for a razzie for his "documentary" Hillary's America. It's a conspiracy movie that's just ludicrous.


    How is it a conspiracy movie? Genuinely curious because I haven't watched it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    That film btw is barely about Hilary. The guy tries to show that the democratic party of today is the same group of people with the same beliefs as the guys fought for slavery in the civil war and that the democratic party is actually a huge conspiracy to steal america. I think the name Hilary is in the title to make it contemporary. It only mentions her near the end because she was running for president at the time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Butters1979


    How is it a conspiracy movie? Genuinely curious because I haven't watched it.

    It actually looks good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    It actually looks good.

    It has scenes recreating jefferson beating and raping his slaves. Because apparently that's relevant in a discussion of today's democratic party.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭masculinist


    Oh great, I see we're back to Hilary and emails. Wonder just how long Trump supporters are going to try to use that as deflection.

    I noticed that too. Those danged Trump supporters keep deflecting away from the fake news and fantasy fiction of the msm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,899 ✭✭✭✭BBDBB


    Trump has pulled the plug on the TPP trade agreement

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38721056


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭Skullface McGubbin





    >Preaches "LOVE TRUMPS HATE"

    >Attempts to light a girl's hair on fire

    So tolerant :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Great post Manic Moran!

    I assume this all harks back to politician's paranoia about casulties to US troops, you could call it the Vietnam influence.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Grayson wrote: »
    That film btw is barely about Hilary. The guy tries to show that the democratic party of today is the same group of people with the same beliefs as the guys fought for slavery in the civil war and that the democratic party is actually a huge conspiracy to steal america. I think the name Hilary is in the title to make it contemporary. It only mentions her near the end because she was running for president at the time.

    I would only kind of believe that if we had evidence that senior members of the Democrats party were telling big business one story in speeches and another to the public...


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