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seamus · 23-01-2017 12:20PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Well it does, you went on a rant about Republicans and Obama. There was a fairly large scale flip in blue counties to red this election, which would indicate the support of the democratic party isn't as strong as people suspected, on top of that they've lost over 1000 seats during Obama's terms in charge.

As we have seen though, counting electoral college votes doesn't translate into actual populist support.

He's one of the least popular incoming presidents in US history with the poorest popular vote in 140 years.

Flipping of counties or whatever is irrelevant - he is deeply unpopular, and provably and objectively so.

"I got elected" doesn't make one a popular president, because the US system doesn't count the popular vote. As the Trump camp are so eager to point out continuously.

Butters1979 · 23-01-2017 12:22PM

I don't think anyone who supported Trump is going to listen to a thing any of those news outlets say.

There seems to be this grasping at straws by some since Trump won, all these scenarios where something happens to save us from his presidency. First it was the recounts, then the electors might not vote him, then his tax returns and a possible impeachment, the republican party will implode, now the media are going to join forces and bring him down? 4 years of this sore loser stuff is going to get real boring.

On a side note, Madonna told Trump to suck a d***. Wow, than will show him, out of touch ageing celebrity who built her career on promiscuity acts like a 12 year old. Protest for peace and love and blowing up the white house? If you agree or disagree with the protests I think everyone can agree the celebrity's are not helping their cause.

How many do you think Madonna has sucked? Seriously, she's 58 now. So assuming that's 40 years of being sexually active, (if she waited until 18, Ha!). I think it could be in the 4 figures territory. Roughly one every 2 weeks is a conservative estimate if you ask me.

B0jangles · 23-01-2017 12:23PM

gandalf wrote: »

That's pretty bad alright cause President Ordinary-Weekday is not loved by the electorate at all

Initially President Ordinary-Weekday was extremely unpopular, but later in their first term they brought in the TGIF initiative and approval ratings SOARED.

Trent Houseboat · 23-01-2017 12:24PM

If that thing about a paid audience to fawn over him is true, then it's just another example the jobs he's creating.
I thought Jeb's "please clap" was pathetic, and it was, but this is even worse. How fragility is he?

Hank Scorpio · 23-01-2017 12:26PM

Trump and his administration are literally Stalin or Hitler then I suppose.

If we're going down that road these would be some great questions to ask.

How much money has his administration taken from Countries who suppress Women and gays and their rights, and how many terrorist groups has his administration armed? How many foreign Governments have they toppled and how many foreign leaders have they executed?

Hallmarks of dictators, don't ya know.

B0jangles · 23-01-2017 12:28PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

If that thing about a paid audience to fawn over him is true, then it's just another example the jobs he's creating.
I thought Jeb's "please clap" was pathetic, and it was, but this is even worse. How fragility is he?

Extremely fragile if this report is to be believed:

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/823380943562014721/photo/1

Little CuChulainn · 23-01-2017 12:30PM

B0jangles wrote: »

Remember when Trump claimed to have gotten a standing ovation when he mad his speech at the CIA?

Apparently the applause was entirely from his own travelling claque.

https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/823309024896618500?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

and just for fun, final metro numbers for various occasions compared; Trumps inauguration came behind 'ordinary weekday'

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/823251837562290176/photo/1

Sad!

It really has gone from farcical to pathetic.

seamus wrote: »

As we have seen though, counting electoral college votes doesn't translate into actual populist support.

He's one of the least popular incoming presidents in US history with the poorest popular vote in 140 years.

Flipping of counties or whatever is irrelevant - he is deeply unpopular, and provably and objectively so.

"I got elected" doesn't make one a popular president, because the US system doesn't count the popular vote. As the Trump camp are so eager to point out continuously.

The amusing thing being that Trump himself came out against the electoral system.

The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.

B0jangles · 23-01-2017 12:30PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Trump and his administration are literally Stalin or Hitler then I suppose.

If we're going down that road these would be some great questions to ask.

How much money has his administration taken from Countries who suppress Women and gays and their rights, and how many terrorist groups has his administration armed? How many foreign Governments have they toppled and how many foreign leaders have they executed?

Hallmarks of dictators, don't ya know.

Jeez Hank, its only day 3, give the poor man a chance will you!

Hank Scorpio · 23-01-2017 12:32PM

B0jangles wrote: »

Jeez Hank, its only day 3, give the poor man a chance will you!

But sure if he does all that he'll get a Nobel peace prize, Obama got one.

Little CuChulainn · 23-01-2017 12:33PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

How much money has his administration taken from Countries who suppress Women and gays and their rights,

Well he got a presidency from Russia

gandalf · 23-01-2017 12:35PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Well he got a presidency from Russia

......Meanwhile at the "Alternative Eurovision"

DJ Trump Douze points from Russia

Butters1979 · 23-01-2017 12:36PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Well he got a presidency from Russia

No he got a presidency from the voters and the stupid electoral system America has. If Russian hackers leaked her emails they may have helped him a bit. But they didn't make up the emails. More sore loser excuses.

Hank Scorpio · 23-01-2017 12:38PM

The pesky Russians rigged the election by showing how the Democrats rigged the election against Bernie.

Next you'll be blaming Comey for finding 650k emails on a pedophiles laptop whose wife is under her own investigation. Oh wait, that's a common excuse.

The_Valeyard · 23-01-2017 12:41PM

gandalf wrote: »

I believe he absolutely hates Barack Obama and in his mind he expected a bigger turnout than Obama got.

The thing is he and his advisors have made this an issue. If they had just shut up and let it be it would have been forgotten by the majority the next day. They are the ones that blew it out of proportion, now unless they were burying a bigger story the only reason I see for it is to massage DJT's ego and if they are going to behave like this over a minor issue (see I agree it's a minor issue) then god help them when they have a real crisis.

The numbers aren't the problem the reaction and bare faced lying is.

Its actually very clever. Focus on the numbers for the inauguration. People forget about the protests the following day.

Sonics2k · 23-01-2017 12:43PM

Jaysus Hank, you're kinda panicking now and you held it together for so long.

No-one is saying Hilary wasn't a corrupt politician, but now you're getting desperate to try and save face.

Just face it, people predicted all this about Trump, the corruption, the back tracking, the cronies, the tax return excuses and so on. The fact that he previously bashed the electoral college system and called for protests against the President, but as done a total 180 on them both now.

gandalf · 23-01-2017 12:43PM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Its actually very clever. Focus on the numbers for the inauguration. People forget about the protests the following day.

No actually you're wrong. The focus on the numbers meant a lot of the media compared them with the numbers at the protests the next day. If anything it magnified the media attention on the protests

The_Valeyard · 23-01-2017 12:44PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Trump's problem will be NBC, CBS and ABC. If they decide to join in with CNN, Huff, NY Times., Washington Post etc. in placing little faith in 'press briefings' (like the one we saw yesterday) and instead focus on Trump, his cronies and their actions, then Trump's administration will be picked apart.

I fear the opposite will happen. Trump will claim this is proof of fake media out to get him and liberal leftest agenda, bla, bla bla stuff.

The best thing the other media outlets can do is take a neutral approach, report the facts not the bias of either side and certainly not get involved in the CNN, Huff, Times war. In the end those sources will only be damaged further as Republicans and some centralist or federalists will just see those papers as mouthpieces for the left or democrats.

The_Valeyard · 23-01-2017 12:46PM

gandalf wrote: »

No actually you're wrong. The focus on the numbers meant a lot of the media compared them with the numbers at the protests the next day. If anything it magnified the media attention on the protests

Not the way I see it, or the media approach, everything is over Obama's inauguration, Trumps inauguration, photos comparing the two, then photos of Clinton, Bushs, etc.

Then debates over numbers and 'alternative facts' I feel the message of the protesters has been drowned out.

Hank Scorpio · 23-01-2017 12:47PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

Jaysus Hank, you're kinda panicking now and you held it together for so long.

No-one is saying Hilary wasn't a corrupt politician, but now you're getting desperate to try and save face.

Just face it, people predicted all this about Trump, the corruption, the back tracking, the cronies, the tax return excuses and so on. The fact that he previously bashed the electoral college system and called for protests against the President, but as done a total 180 on them both now.

People in this thread are calling Trump, Hitler and Stalin reincarnated ignoring the foreign policy and destruction the previous administrations have caused as recent as the past 12 years. Trump has campaigned on staying out of foreign territory and cleaning up the mess of ISIS that was formed by Obama's administration. Utter hypocrisy imo.

The_Valeyard · 23-01-2017 12:49PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

People in this thread are calling Trump, Hitler and Stalin reincarnated ignoring the foreign policy and destruction the previous administrations have caused as recent as the past 12 years. Trump has campaigned on staying out of foreign wars. Utter hypocrisy imo.

I would completely agree that comparing Trump to Hitler or Stalin is completely uncalled for and plain wrong. There are plenty of other legitimate issues or causes that he could be called out on.

Butters1979 · 23-01-2017 12:50PM

gandalf wrote: »

No actually you're wrong. The focus on the numbers meant a lot of the media compared them with the numbers at the protests the next day. If anything it magnified the media attention on the protests

I'm not sure why it's even an issue. Washington is an extremely democratic voting part of the country. I think Hilary got 90% of the vote. Obama was a much more popular president and his first inauguration had a huge historial significance as the first black president. Of course he got much higher numbers. And not surprisingly.

The problem is some people seem to think it's some sort of victory. Like it illegitimises his presidency. It doesn't. Move in.

kunst nugget · 23-01-2017 12:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The most basic of Google searches brings up the figures.

http://www.thewrap.com/cable-ratings-fox-news-beats-cnn-and-msnbc-combined-in-primetime/
http://www.mediaite.com/online/fox-news-tops-cable-news-in-total-viewers-and-demo-cnn-enjoys-best-month-in-eight-years/
http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/2016-ratings-fox-news-channel-is-cable-tvs-most-watched-network/315009r
http://deadline.com/2016/12/fox-news-channel-2016-most-watched-basic-cable-network-1201871574/

Is that the new thing.. Trump lied so we can, too?

He didn't lie. Hank originally said that Fox outperformed CNN and CBS and the mainstream news media. He's since edited it.

What you've linked show Fox News as the biggest cable station. It would seem to have half the viewership figures of the big three commercial stations of NBC, ABC and CBS. It is hard to find figures on it though. I could only find a comparison of Sunday Shows.

http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/sunday-show-ratings-january-15-2/317815

Sonics2k · 23-01-2017 12:52PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

People in this thread are calling Trump, Hitler and Stalin reincarnated ignoring the foreign policy and destruction the previous administrations have caused as recent as the past 12 years. Trump has campaigned on staying out of foreign territory and cleaning up the mess of ISIS that was formed by Obama's administration. Utter hypocrisy imo.

Yup, and an awful lot of folks compared Obama and Bush to Hitler too.

People make crazy statements.
Trump certainly uses some of the tactics of people like Hitler, a popularist appeal to the down-trodden working classes and promises of a better tomorrow.
He promises to wipe out the enemy totally and completely.

Does that mean he is literally another Hitler? Absolutely not.
But he does mean he says things to simply get attention and as we have seen over the many years of his career, cannot really be relied upon to follow through his promises.

Little CuChulainn · 23-01-2017 12:52PM

Butters1979 wrote: »

No he got a presidency from the voters and the stupid electoral system America has. If Russian hackers leaked her emails they may have helped him a bit. But they didn't make up the emails. More sore loser excuses.

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

The pesky Russians rigged the election by showing how the Democrats rigged the election against Bernie.

Next you'll be blaming Comey for finding 650k emails on a pedophiles laptop whose wife is under her own investigation. Oh wait, that's a common excuse.

The leak most likely tipped the balance in Trumps favour. It was timed for maximum effect. If they had leaked Trumps secrets it would have gone the other way

I don't know how I'm a sore loser. I didn't lose anything nor did I support Clinton. You just can't take it that someone not aligned to Clinton might be criticising your supreme leader. You need a motive, you can't accept people just think he is bad.

23-01-2017 12:55PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

He didn't lie. Hank originally said that Fox outperformed CNN and CBS and the mainstream news media. He's since edited it.

What you've linked show Fox News as the biggest cable station. It would seem to have half the viewership figures of the big three commercial stations of NBC, ABC and CBS. It is hard to find figures on it though. I could only find a comparison of Sunday Shows.

http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/sunday-show-ratings-january-15-2/317815

I deleted the post ages ago.

seamus · 23-01-2017 12:57PM

Butters1979 wrote: »

I'm not sure why it's even an issue. Washington is an extremely democratic voting part of the country. I think Hilary got 90% of the vote. Obama was a much more popular president and his first inauguration had a huge historial significance as the first black president. Of course he got much higher numbers. And not surprisingly.

The problem is some people seem to think it's some sort of victory. Like it illegitimises his presidency. It doesn't. Move in.

I think the only reason it's become an issue now is because the White House has officially lied about the turnout. It has claimed that not only was it bigger than reported, but that it was the biggest turnout in history.

People are used to their government putting spin on things and making excuses.

But now their government has flatly lied. Absolute lies, not just different perspectives, but straight out lies. That's on a par with North Korean broadcasts about their magnanimous World Cup victories.

Until they did that, the turnout was a chuckling point - "look what a dingus Trump is".

kunst nugget · 23-01-2017 12:58PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I deleted the post ages ago.

Is fifteen minutes really ages ago…

super_furry · 23-01-2017 12:59PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Is fifteen minutes really ages ago…

Hey it's an alternative age.

Hank Scorpio · 23-01-2017 01:00PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

The leak most likely tipped the balance in Trumps favour. It was timed for maximum effect. If they had leaked Trumps secrets it would have gone the other way

I don't know how I'm a sore loser. I didn't lose anything nor did I support Clinton. You just can't take it that someone not aligned to Clinton might be criticising your supreme leader. You need a motive, you can't accept people just think he is bad.

I understand why people think he's bad, what I don't understand is the comparisons to Castro, Hitler and Stalin. If people want a serious conversation back and fourth they're not going to get it with such statements.

And for the record, there's zero proof linking Russia to Wikileaks, and even Obama admitted a few days ago they don't have proof of that either.

Professor Moriarty · 23-01-2017 01:03PM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I fear the opposite will happen. Trump will claim this is proof of fake media out to get him and liberal leftest agenda, bla, bla bla stuff.

The best thing the other media outlets can do is take a neutral approach, report the facts not the bias of either side and certainly not get involved in the CNN, Huff, Times war. In the end those sources will only be damaged further as Republicans and some centralist or federalists will just see those papers as mouthpieces for the left or democrats.

Agreed. By being seen to be unbiased, reportage that shows Trump and his cronies up for what they are will be the most damaging. Of course there are Trump supporters who, if he burned down their house and sold their children into slavery, would immediately parrot a Pavlovian defence of him by blaming Killary, Barry, Mexicans etc.

But they are not the ones who should be targeted by unbiased reportage, it's the bit middle ground that allowed itself to be fooled and who can be persuaded by truth.

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