Will Sligo Services be Stopping at Broombridge?

ClovenHoof · 19-01-2017 10:19PM #1

Irish rail should do this. I think a lot of people would find the transfer very useful. Especially when the campus at Grangegorman gets going. For people going to the Mater too. It'll be very handy.

I know IE don't understand connections, but this will make sense.

Elemonator · 19-01-2017 10:27PM

Ah sure, at least giz a pay rise first

Del.Monte · 19-01-2017 11:01PM

When I saw the thread I thought somebody was taking up my suggestion of terminating all inter-city trains at outer suburban stations and transferring to commuter services.

n97 mini · 19-01-2017 11:30PM

Del.Monte wrote: »

When I saw the thread I thought somebody was taking up my suggestion of terminating all inter-city trains at outer suburban stations and transferring to commuter services.

Outer suburban? It's as far out as Sydney Parade.

riffmongous · 19-01-2017 11:33PM

Ah Broombridge, that takes me back..fires, horses and dirtbikes on the platforms

Infini · 20-01-2017 12:59AM

riffmongous wrote: »

Ah Broombridge, that takes me back..fires, horses and dirtbikes on the platforms

Nah never beat the time a horse raced a train from broomer to o reillys.

tabbey · 20-01-2017 09:45AM

riffmongous wrote: »

Ah Broombridge, that takes me back..fires, horses and dirtbikes on the platforms

For many years the city end ofthe down platform had the footprint of a burnt motorbike cut into the tarmac.

Jem72 · 20-01-2017 01:29PM

This would be extremely useful. You'd be able to do a cross-platform transfer to avoid the walk into the city centre or on to the south city centre or even Sandyford. The commuting potential is fantastic - Mullingar to Sandyford would even be viable at that.

But I'd be quite surprised if it happened. The usefulness of Luas BXD will end up seriously diminished because of lack of connections and in particular lack of fare integration. Sad really.

Hilly Bill · 20-01-2017 02:57PM

Just change at Maynooth.

MrMorooka · 20-01-2017 03:22PM

Jem72 wrote: »

But I'd be quite surprised if it happened. The usefulness of Luas BXD will end up seriously diminished because of lack of connections and in particular lack of fare integration. Sad really.

Very true. The main problem I see is the frequency(or lack thereof) on the Maynooth line will really hamper the connection. The reality of trying to arrive at Broombridge in time for an hourly train on a tram that can get caught in traffic etc will be very offputting. Maynooth line really needs to electrified and brought up to a DART-style 15-minute frequency to make the most out of BXD.

As for the anti-social aspect, Broombridge is an awful lot better these days, but we have seen nothing yet, Dominic Luas stop is going to have a lot of problems.

Jem72 · 20-01-2017 03:43PM

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Just change at Maynooth.

Changing at Maynooth would add 25 minutes to the journey assuming there is a stopping train leaving 5 minutes after the intercity and would involve crossing quite a steep footbridge in Maynooth.

Given that intercity trains are generally crawling along stuck behind another service at that point, stopping at Broombridge will make practically zero difference to the end-to-end journey time. As a Sligo-line commuter who would not use this facility to change as I work close to Connolly, I would not object at all to the train making a stop at Broombridge both ways to enable transfers.

n97 mini · 20-01-2017 04:41PM

Really all interchange stations should have stops. Maynooth, Clonsilla, Broombridge, Drumcondra.

uck51js9zml2yt · 20-01-2017 04:42PM

I hope not..Broombridge is bad enough without culchies landing there as well;)

tabbey · 20-01-2017 09:28PM

I suspect if the Green line extension to Broombridge proves popular, there will be demands for longer distance trains to stop there. It is not as bad stopping there as elsewhere, because trains move slowly being close to the sharp curve at Liffey Jn.

Grandeeod · 20-01-2017 10:28PM

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Just change at Maynooth.

2 changes when 1 will do.

MGWR · 20-01-2017 11:04PM

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Irish rail should do this. I think a lot of people would find the transfer very useful. Especially when the campus at Grangegorman gets going. For people going to the Mater too. It'll be very handy.

I know IE don't understand connections, but this will make sense.

No. Slowing down intercity service never makes sense. Even if one is looking to connect to a future light rail service that nobody will want to ride due to on-board conditions.

Then again, the BXD Luas does not make a shred of sense either. Things would have been better if the Luas Green Line were rebuilt as metro including an underground connector to a restored Broadstone as a commuter/intercity railway station. But things even being as they are or will be, the Sligo trains still ought not stop at Broombridge.

Del.Monte · 20-01-2017 11:22PM

@ MGWR

I tend to agree with you and would have preferred to see the Broadstone/Liffey Jn alignment used by heavy rail and, as I have predicted elsewhere, the cross-city Luas will be a playground for junkies and get caught in traffic collisions just as the Red Line already does. Plus, if there was any case for it - it should have turned right at the bottom of Dawson Street and extended to Connolly via Pearse Station.

The_Wanderer · 20-01-2017 11:32PM

This actually a very good idea (and I wouldn't always agree with clovenhoof's posts!). It has a lot of benefits especially if going to the south west of the City Centre (St. Stephen's Green area etc). Something I would like to see happen.

Remember back in the day the Rosslare service went non-stop Connolly to Bray. Then Tara St, Pearse & Dun-Laoghaire appeared in one of the mid 2000 timetables to welcome applause. The idea of the DL stop was for Ferry and a major bus termination point. The ferry option didn't work as history shows, but the bus connections to south and west Dublin are still there.

Hilly Bill · 20-01-2017 11:33PM

Grandeeod wrote: »

2 changes when 1 will do.

Change in Connolly then.

Grandeeod · 20-01-2017 11:35PM

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Change in Connolly then.

Connections CIE style. You've been there too long.

Del.Monte · 20-01-2017 11:36PM

The_Wanderer wrote: »

This actually a very good idea (and I wouldn't always agree with clovenhoof's posts!). It has a lot of benefits especially if going to the south west of the City Centre (St. Stephen's Green area etc). Something I would like to see happen.

Remember back in the day the Rosslare service went non-stop Connolly to Bray. Then Tara St, Pearse & Dun-Laoghaire appeared in one of the mid 2000 timetables to welcome applause. The idea of the DL stop was for Ferry and a major bus termination point. The ferry option didn't work as history shows, but the bus connections to south and west Dublin are still there.

From memory, the pre-recorded message on the 22000s still suggests that passengers de-train at Dun Laoghaire for ferries. :rolleyes:

Jamie2k9 · 21-01-2017 01:41AM

Perhaps the 05.45 and 16.00 which serve Drumcondra should also serve the stop which gives people beyond Longford a connection and both return Longford services also stop already. Then if demand is there maybe a lunchtime service in each direction but no need for every train to stop. The vast majority of traffic would be catered for.

Jamie2k9 · 21-01-2017 01:43AM

Del.Monte wrote: »

From memory, the pre-recorded message on the 22000s still suggests that passengers de-train at Dun Laoghaire for ferries. :rolleyes:

In Waterford we have been waiting almost 9 years for the "automatic exit barriers operating at this station ".

The_Wanderer · 21-01-2017 02:08AM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

In Waterford we have been waiting almost 9 years for the "automatic exit barriers operating at this station ".

Add Portlaoise to that as well. I do remember sending off a "suggestion" that this be removed. Still waiting......

goingnowhere · 21-01-2017 10:56AM

Del.Monte wrote: »

From memory, the pre-recorded message on the 22000s still suggests that passengers de-train at Dun Laoghaire for ferries. :rolleyes:

Taken out more than a year ago

Del.Monte · 21-01-2017 11:09AM

goingnowhere wrote: »

Taken out more than a year ago

I was on a train within the last couple of months that had the message - just can't remember what class of a yoke it was - could even have been a DART.

tabbey · 22-01-2017 01:13PM

In 2010, the year of two winters, I was on the road at (the unopened) Kishogue station hoping to get photos of trains in the snow. I was stunned when I heard "Please stand behind the yellow line, train now approaching".
Over six years later we are still waiting for the station to open, do ghost passengers still hear this announcement? or have the speakers died?.

Jamie2k9 · 22-01-2017 01:56PM

tabbey wrote: »

In 2010, the year of two winters, I was on the road at (the unopened) Kishogue station hoping to get photos of trains in the snow. I was stunned when I heard "Please stand behind the yellow line, train now approaching".
Over six years later we are still waiting for the station to open, do ghost passengers still hear this announcement? or have the speakers died?.

Unless they have been vandalized (wouldn't surprise me as there has been issues around there) they should be in working order and hear the same announcement.

Jem72 · 22-01-2017 02:09PM

Ordinarily, I would agree that stopping intercity trains is a bad idea, but there are numerous reasons why Broombridge is an exception

1. The connectivity from Broombridge will be among the best in the city giving very frequent one-change connections to important destinations including O'Connell Street, St. Stephen's Green, Docklands, Dundrum and Sandyford.
2. Relatively few people find Connolly itself a useful destination. The utility of going direct to Connolly is limited to the connectivity offered from Connolly.
3. The time penalty of a stop at Broombridge is minimal since there is a slow curve immediately after it and many inbound trains will be stuck behind a Maynooth service here anyway.

The journey time to the north city centre will be about equal (but a lot drier) from a change to Luas as from going to Connolly and walking. For everywhere else it will be far quicker to change at Broombridge.

If this were to be tried on a few trains, I'd echo Jamie2k9's suggestion of having the 0545 and the 1600 stop, but would also add the 1705 as this is an important commuter service for Mullingar and Longford.

ClovenHoof · 22-01-2017 05:37PM

MGWR wrote: »

No. Slowing down intercity service never makes sense.

So we should run the services from Sligo to Connolly without a single stop in between? Why not take this to the maximum potential then?

If anything, the connectivity would boost passenger numbers. I would reckon that people going from the Sligo services to south side would love this option. Considering the vastly greater population of the Green Line catchment area.

The DART only serves people on one side of the line and seagulls and fish on the other.

MGWR · 25-01-2017 01:56AM

ClovenHoof wrote: »

So we should run the services from Sligo to Connolly without a single stop in between? Why not take this to the maximum potential then?

If anything, the connectivity would boost passenger numbers. I would reckon that people going from the Sligo services to south side would love this option. Considering the vastly greater population of the Green Line catchment area.

The DART only serves people on one side of the line and seagulls and fish on the other.

Mere connectivity is not key to passenger numbers; reliability and time-competitiveness of service is. Start slowing down trains and interfering with their timeliness and those trains bleed passengers. And that's not mentioning the lack of speed that a north-south Luas is going to exhibit inherently, which would not be in existence in a metro line that would bypass the surface traffic of all kinds.

This identified (herein) possible market would need to be studied, especially as to how much demand there would be, especially since there would be pre-existing connecting service at Maynooth, and how disrupting the timetable would affect all trains on this service for a questionably-sized segment of this market.

Will Sligo Services be Stopping at Broombridge?

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